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chapter 662 very good chapter :
we got 3 plots :
1-sasuke and naruto being on the verge of Death..
2-Orochimaru and Suigetsu's secret plan :
3- THE MYSTERY OF SPIRAL ZETSU'S APPEARANCE!! wich im going to talk about !!
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where did that spiral Zetsu com from?....the answer is as follows and its a very shocking answer :
in the previous chapter 661 the white zetsu told madara about "the insides" being well...that means they are more then one person and at least 2!!....
1st who are those insides??
2nd :they are inside who??
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-one of those insides seems to be the spiral Zetsu... notice how kihsimoto is a weasel...he didn't show us from where the spiral zetsu has emerged...he hide it from the readers purposely :
-i think the spiral has emerged from obito's Body ....remember we've seen the spiral zetsu only in 5 chapters (603,604,605,606,607) in the obito flashbacks..and then we see him suddenly disappear from the manga..but later we see the traits of the spiral zetsu manifested strangely in the masked man Tobi....in fact the masked man integrated the spiral zetsu within his body...why? to allow him act like goofy guy and lead akatsuki from the shadows...
-Tobi is good boy is in fact the goofy spiral zetsu and not obito...becuz the white zetsu called spiral zetsu good boy for helping obito get out of the cave and rescue Rin...years later the white zetsu called the masked tobi "good boy"..
-now who is the 2nd inside??...wether you believe it or not but the 2nd inside is : THE 2ND MADARA OR UCHIHA MADARA...OR BETTER SAID TOBIDARA !!...i know its hard to believe..but the truth is..madara uchiha did not die...befor old madara died he sealed part of himself within obito and become an empty shell of his formerself...you know its like gedo mazo and the 9 bijuus they are both juubi...the gedo mazo is the empty shell of Juubi and the bijuus are juubi devided into 9 tailed beast ...so when gedo mazo goes back to its former self it will become the revived juubi...so Madara may have used the same jutsu to seal his other part wihin obito..
- chapter 662...plzz notice the way spiral zetsu is standing and speaks its like a boss...similar how uchiha madara stands and speaks so..maybe maybe..the one who is inside spiral zetsu is tobimadara (2nd Madara) speaking...
in otherwords old madara's plan was to seal himself+spiral zetsu within obito's body
ok our key here is black zetsu..ifyou noticed black zetsu how he treats tobi throughout the series :
-1 sometimes he calls him stupid idiot (that was spiral zetsu)
-2 sometimes he gives advices/orders (hard to interperet) to tobi and act like bossy on him (its obito)
-3 and most of the times the black zetsu act like slave servant pawn of the masked man tobi (thats Madara)
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MY THEORY DETAILED NOW
-i know what you gonna say : that what im saying is Bullshit becuz madara himself said he died and planned to come back with the rinnetensei..and that madara himself called tobi obito...and that if tobi is madara then why did he let obito act by his free will and threatens madara's plan???....your questions are legit and make sence..BUT!!!!!what if the Rinnetensei's true goal wasn't to revive madara.??..and here lies the trick !!....just think about it plzz...when madara was old and weakned..and gave his rinnegan to nagato , that was so that nagato revive him properly right??...but why is Madara so eager to die and come back to life??..why is the act of dying and get revived so much important for him..look plzz...if Madara knew that the rinnetensei will bring him back to life in the same state he died in (old and weakned) then why would he bother and give nagato the rinnegan and plan to come back to life?? wouldn't that be pointless ?? i mean his death will have no meaning...
thus the reason why Madara planned to die and get revived with the rinnetensei was so that HIS BODY TAKES THE FORM OF ITS GOLDEN AGE!!!! (perfect body)...however madara didnt die completly..he sealed part of himself within obito and used him as a weaker vessel,madara also added portion of his humain flesh and stuck it to obito's right body..(see obito's right arm it contains portion of humain flesh+ senju dna)...
-if tobi is madara controlling obito then why did edomadara call him obito??...answer is easy...the ultimate secret of uchiha Madara is his immortality or simply the other Madara...the sad thing is that obito himself was'nt aware that he was being controlled this whole time by tobimadara.....Madara is a mastermind villain and a smart man in the truest meaning of the term....becuz madara needed a living vessel to prolong his life...madara must somehow trick obito so that obito wouldn't doubt he is being controlled by Madara...so old madara told obito to pose as madara ,madara also trained obito and taught him how to use rikudo no jutsus...so that,in futur, when tobimadara takes full controll of obito's body, obito will think he was the one who fooled other guys like kisame and itachi into making them believe he was the legendary shinobi uchiha madara..but in truth it was madara indeed who spoke with kisame and itachi...also
when he fights 4 hokage Minato..obito will think he was the one who did it since he got uchiha madara's powers and his traning...but in truth it was madara uchiha fighthing....during the kiyibi attack on konoha..obito was the one who visited Rin's grave with his free will but when he heared kakashi giving secret info about kushina giving a birth to a baby naruto ...tobimadara (madara) took full controll of obito's body...and unsealed the kiyubi from kushina...Minato is a skilled shinobi...when he concluded that the masked man was madara..Minato was absolutely right...the one who minato defeated was madara...that is why the masked man told minato " defeating me? that is why i call a miracle..and i congratulate you on that"...but wait!!...what Minato defeated was a madara without his reall vessel..
- when tobi met kisame tobi showed him his reall face wich is some sort of tobimadara evolution...tobimadara told kisame the truth of himself becuz he knew kisame is trustworthy..thats why kisame calls tobi madara
-i'll give you another exemple of how the reality of tobi being obito is a mirage for his reall ID..and how madara tricked obito and fooled us...."the bloody Mist"...kirikagure was called " the bloody Mist" becuz of the set of turmoils and violence that spread in the village...and at that time tobi was controlling the Mizukage yagura and spoiled him...
many of us will think obito controlled the mizukage and spoiled the Mist village out of revenge for killing Rin...but lets go back to the incident of Rin's death...we see one of the anbu who attacked obito saying " dont understimate the village of the Bloody Mist"...wtf??...so it was called bloody even befor tobi..that means some 1 was manipuating the Mizukage befor tobi right??..who could it be??..ITS UCHIHA MADARA!!!..if madara was able to implant his rinnegan to Nagato,then he is able to controll the Mizukage ..also he couldve done that via chakra rodes(maybe it was the 3rd mizukage)...also notice how the 3rd miszukage is the only kage whom we dont know yet or have any info !!
-through his manipulation on the 3rd mizukage...madara set the plan for Rin's death...that is why Madara was so confident that obito would return to the cave and told him " you will definitly come back here"....but thats not the most important thing...the most important thing to learn from the "bloody Mist incident" is to be able to see through kishimoto and madara's deception : MADARA TRICKED OBITO with Rin's death why??...becuz years later obito will get his revenge by controlling the mizukage and spoiling the mist village..sadly obito will think he was the one who controlled the mizukage..BUT THATS NOT TRUE IT WAS MADARA!!!!...why?...becuz madara through his form of tobi is just carrying on his old agenda...like how he manipulated the 3rd mizukage years befor he will also controll the 4 mizukage..also madara set the plan of rin's death becuz wanted obito to take his revenge on the Mist so that obito wouldn't doubt that madara was the one who did it through him....
-BUT !!...there was one genious man from the uchiha clan who found out about Madara's existence...a wise man who could see through madara's deception..the masked man being obito and acting like a goofy guy were like mirage to hide the true identity...its ITACHI UCHIHA THE WISE OF THE SHARINGAN...like sarutobi said :" at the age of 7 itachi's reasonings were just like a hokage!!"...itachi who was member of ANBU..AKATSUKI..AND GOT TH MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN..as a child he spent his time learning the documents of uchihas AND THEIR SEALING JUTSUS..itachi also learned the history of uchiha Madara and found out some of his secrets like immortality ..and when he met tobi for first time and told him about his secret..the masked man was shocked...so they had secret agreement...tobi must help itachi kill the uchihas clan and leave konoha in peace...and if tobi refuses then itachi will inform konoha about madara's existence...so tobi was forced to obey...tobi also found the uchiha massacre good for his moon eye plan...becuz the uchiha were a threat to him....fortunately for tobi itachi doesnt know all his secrets..i mean the other revived madara..otherwise tobi would be dead at that time....
-when the masked man got the majority of the tailed beasts wich coincided with itachi's death..there's no need for him to hide and act like goofy..he is going to declare himself as "madara"....his plan is to go back to his formerself and revive his reall vessel and fuse with him...but things didn't go as planned why??..becuz 1st-naruto talknojutsed nagato and made him use rintensei on the villagers instead of madara..2nd- Kabuto revived Tobi's reall vessel "edomadara" with edotensei...so when kabuto showed tobi the contains of the 6th coffin tobi was chocked and said : " wtf?? where did you get that".....tobimadara now has changed...since edomadara was revived..he must let obito act fully by his free will ...WHY???..its obito who will use the rinnetensei on Madara..and to do that obito must have his own consiousness to target the rinnetensei on Madara...so since tobimadara is madara...he can't revive madara with rintesnei...
- when tobimadara emerge..it will be a wtf moment..becuz madara wil prove the allied shinobies that this reality is indeed full of lies and that his Moon eye plan is worth implementing..what you we thought was truth called "tobi is obito" will become a mere illusion..becuz the true masked man is madara !!
chapter 662 very good chapter :
we got 3 plots :
1-sasuke and naruto being on the verge of Death..
2-Orochimaru and Suigetsu's secret plan :
3- THE MYSTERY OF SPIRAL ZETSU'S APPEARANCE!! wich im going to talk about !!
=========
where did that spiral Zetsu com from?....the answer is as follows and its a very shocking answer :
in the previous chapter 661 the white zetsu told madara about "the insides" being well...that means they are more then one person and at least 2!!....
1st who are those insides??
2nd :they are inside who??
=========
-one of those insides seems to be the spiral Zetsu... notice how kihsimoto is a weasel...he didn't show us from where the spiral zetsu has emerged...he hide it from the readers purposely :
-i think the spiral has emerged from obito's Body ....remember we've seen the spiral zetsu only in 5 chapters (603,604,605,606,607) in the obito flashbacks..and then we see him suddenly disappear from the manga..but later we see the traits of the spiral zetsu manifested strangely in the masked man Tobi....in fact the masked man integrated the spiral zetsu within his body...why? to allow him act like goofy guy and lead akatsuki from the shadows...
-Tobi is good boy is in fact the goofy spiral zetsu and not obito...becuz the white zetsu called spiral zetsu good boy for helping obito get out of the cave and rescue Rin...years later the white zetsu called the masked tobi "good boy"..
-now who is the 2nd inside??...wether you believe it or not but the 2nd inside is : THE 2ND MADARA OR UCHIHA MADARA...OR BETTER SAID TOBIDARA !!...i know its hard to believe..but the truth is..madara uchiha did not die...befor old madara died he sealed part of himself within obito and become an empty shell of his formerself...you know its like gedo mazo and the 9 bijuus they are both juubi...the gedo mazo is the empty shell of Juubi and the bijuus are juubi devided into 9 tailed beast ...so when gedo mazo goes back to its former self it will become the revived juubi...so Madara may have used the same jutsu to seal his other part wihin obito..
- chapter 662...plzz notice the way spiral zetsu is standing and speaks its like a boss...similar how uchiha madara stands and speaks so..maybe maybe..the one who is inside spiral zetsu is tobimadara (2nd Madara) speaking...
in otherwords old madara's plan was to seal himself+spiral zetsu within obito's body
ok our key here is black zetsu..ifyou noticed black zetsu how he treats tobi throughout the series :
-1 sometimes he calls him stupid idiot (that was spiral zetsu)
-2 sometimes he gives advices/orders (hard to interperet) to tobi and act like bossy on him (its obito)
-3 and most of the times the black zetsu act like slave servant pawn of the masked man tobi (thats Madara)
============================================================================
MY THEORY DETAILED NOW
-i know what you gonna say : that what im saying is Bullshit becuz madara himself said he died and planned to come back with the rinnetensei..and that madara himself called tobi obito...and that if tobi is madara then why did he let obito act by his free will and threatens madara's plan???....your questions are legit and make sence..BUT!!!!!what if the Rinnetensei's true goal wasn't to revive madara.??..and here lies the trick !!....just think about it plzz...when madara was old and weakned..and gave his rinnegan to nagato , that was so that nagato revive him properly right??...but why is Madara so eager to die and come back to life??..why is the act of dying and get revived so much important for him..look plzz...if Madara knew that the rinnetensei will bring him back to life in the same state he died in (old and weakned) then why would he bother and give nagato the rinnegan and plan to come back to life?? wouldn't that be pointless ?? i mean his death will have no meaning...
thus the reason why Madara planned to die and get revived with the rinnetensei was so that HIS BODY TAKES THE FORM OF ITS GOLDEN AGE!!!! (perfect body)...however madara didnt die completly..he sealed part of himself within obito and used him as a weaker vessel,madara also added portion of his humain flesh and stuck it to obito's right body..(see obito's right arm it contains portion of humain flesh+ senju dna)...
-if tobi is madara controlling obito then why did edomadara call him obito??...answer is easy...the ultimate secret of uchiha Madara is his immortality or simply the other Madara...the sad thing is that obito himself was'nt aware that he was being controlled this whole time by tobimadara.....Madara is a mastermind villain and a smart man in the truest meaning of the term....becuz madara needed a living vessel to prolong his life...madara must somehow trick obito so that obito wouldn't doubt he is being controlled by Madara...so old madara told obito to pose as madara ,madara also trained obito and taught him how to use rikudo no jutsus...so that,in futur, when tobimadara takes full controll of obito's body, obito will think he was the one who fooled other guys like kisame and itachi into making them believe he was the legendary shinobi uchiha madara..but in truth it was madara indeed who spoke with kisame and itachi...also
when he fights 4 hokage Minato..obito will think he was the one who did it since he got uchiha madara's powers and his traning...but in truth it was madara uchiha fighthing....during the kiyibi attack on konoha..obito was the one who visited Rin's grave with his free will but when he heared kakashi giving secret info about kushina giving a birth to a baby naruto ...tobimadara (madara) took full controll of obito's body...and unsealed the kiyubi from kushina...Minato is a skilled shinobi...when he concluded that the masked man was madara..Minato was absolutely right...the one who minato defeated was madara...that is why the masked man told minato " defeating me? that is why i call a miracle..and i congratulate you on that"...but wait!!...what Minato defeated was a madara without his reall vessel..
- when tobi met kisame tobi showed him his reall face wich is some sort of tobimadara evolution...tobimadara told kisame the truth of himself becuz he knew kisame is trustworthy..thats why kisame calls tobi madara
-i'll give you another exemple of how the reality of tobi being obito is a mirage for his reall ID..and how madara tricked obito and fooled us...."the bloody Mist"...kirikagure was called " the bloody Mist" becuz of the set of turmoils and violence that spread in the village...and at that time tobi was controlling the Mizukage yagura and spoiled him...
many of us will think obito controlled the mizukage and spoiled the Mist village out of revenge for killing Rin...but lets go back to the incident of Rin's death...we see one of the anbu who attacked obito saying " dont understimate the village of the Bloody Mist"...wtf??...so it was called bloody even befor tobi..that means some 1 was manipuating the Mizukage befor tobi right??..who could it be??..ITS UCHIHA MADARA!!!..if madara was able to implant his rinnegan to Nagato,then he is able to controll the Mizukage ..also he couldve done that via chakra rodes(maybe it was the 3rd mizukage)...also notice how the 3rd miszukage is the only kage whom we dont know yet or have any info !!
-through his manipulation on the 3rd mizukage...madara set the plan for Rin's death...that is why Madara was so confident that obito would return to the cave and told him " you will definitly come back here"....but thats not the most important thing...the most important thing to learn from the "bloody Mist incident" is to be able to see through kishimoto and madara's deception : MADARA TRICKED OBITO with Rin's death why??...becuz years later obito will get his revenge by controlling the mizukage and spoiling the mist village..sadly obito will think he was the one who controlled the mizukage..BUT THATS NOT TRUE IT WAS MADARA!!!!...why?...becuz madara through his form of tobi is just carrying on his old agenda...like how he manipulated the 3rd mizukage years befor he will also controll the 4 mizukage..also madara set the plan of rin's death becuz wanted obito to take his revenge on the Mist so that obito wouldn't doubt that madara was the one who did it through him....
-BUT !!...there was one genious man from the uchiha clan who found out about Madara's existence...a wise man who could see through madara's deception..the masked man being obito and acting like a goofy guy were like mirage to hide the true identity...its ITACHI UCHIHA THE WISE OF THE SHARINGAN...like sarutobi said :" at the age of 7 itachi's reasonings were just like a hokage!!"...itachi who was member of ANBU..AKATSUKI..AND GOT TH MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN..as a child he spent his time learning the documents of uchihas AND THEIR SEALING JUTSUS..itachi also learned the history of uchiha Madara and found out some of his secrets like immortality ..and when he met tobi for first time and told him about his secret..the masked man was shocked...so they had secret agreement...tobi must help itachi kill the uchihas clan and leave konoha in peace...and if tobi refuses then itachi will inform konoha about madara's existence...so tobi was forced to obey...tobi also found the uchiha massacre good for his moon eye plan...becuz the uchiha were a threat to him....fortunately for tobi itachi doesnt know all his secrets..i mean the other revived madara..otherwise tobi would be dead at that time....
-when the masked man got the majority of the tailed beasts wich coincided with itachi's death..there's no need for him to hide and act like goofy..he is going to declare himself as "madara"....his plan is to go back to his formerself and revive his reall vessel and fuse with him...but things didn't go as planned why??..becuz 1st-naruto talknojutsed nagato and made him use rintensei on the villagers instead of madara..2nd- Kabuto revived Tobi's reall vessel "edomadara" with edotensei...so when kabuto showed tobi the contains of the 6th coffin tobi was chocked and said : " wtf?? where did you get that".....tobimadara now has changed...since edomadara was revived..he must let obito act fully by his free will ...WHY???..its obito who will use the rinnetensei on Madara..and to do that obito must have his own consiousness to target the rinnetensei on Madara...so since tobimadara is madara...he can't revive madara with rintesnei...
- when tobimadara emerge..it will be a wtf moment..becuz madara wil prove the allied shinobies that this reality is indeed full of lies and that his Moon eye plan is worth implementing..what you we thought was truth called "tobi is obito" will become a mere illusion..becuz the true masked man is madara !!
