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People should stop crying that mr Trump isn't allowed on the internet anymore.

People need to realize they don't own digital media themselves, Twitter is run by people, people have the right to block others or to not lend their platform to people they see as abusing it.

If I was blocked I wouldn't cry as if I lived in a dictatorship and I didn't have freedom of speech.

This isn't strange, Trump never deserved to be on the internet to begin with.

Deal with it.

Also 99 percent of the people crying about this are people that don't want open media, they want media based from their own perspectives and openly biased with their on point of view as the top priority before any fact or news reportings.

Hypocrites.

People had freedom of speech before the iternet existed, Trump utilizes it to grow a cultist violent movement, shutting him down is morally right.
 
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People need to realize they don't own digital media themselves, Twitter is run by people, people have the right to block others or to not lend their platform to people they see as abusing it.
The problem is the platform functions like a market place, filtering what you disagree with and letting through what you agree with causes bias and leanings. Therefore, the crying is somewhat valid, and platforms need to show neutrality or get regulated/sanctioned.
 

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The problem is the platform functions like a market place, filtering what you disagree with and letting through what you agree with causes bias and leanings. Therefore, the crying is somewhat valid, and platforms need to show neutrality or get regulated/sanctioned.
I admit there is a balance, if Blizzard decided to delete everyones wow characters, they would have the right to do that too but it wouldn't be good business and people would be upset.

Mr Trump still has a forum to speak if he wishes to do so.

I'm not saying all companies should start purging everything they think is evil.

I admit there is a balance. I dont know where it is.
 

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Would you be positive about letting him use this forum as an outlet? I for one am not too against the idea but it could put us quite in a bit of a pickle still.
Ehm....I think this forum is fine, cus he is not gonna create a blind mob, people here are pretty free thinking.
And this is a pretty small outlet so I don't worry about his words spreading and inciting violence, but also he could generate negative stigma about this place so I would understand if people would want him gone cus he would make people think abdly about us for letting him stay here.
I would be fine with it. So if it was up to me and nobody complained too much I would let him join.
When I said forum I meant like press briefings and stuff.
 

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I admit there is a balance, if Blizzard decided to delete everyones wow characters, they would have the right to do that too but it wouldn't be good business and people would be upset.

Mr Trump still has a forum to speak if he wishes to do so.

I'm not saying all companies should start purging everything they think is evil.

I admit there is a balance. I dont know where it is.
Come on dude big tech censorship e tends way past this. They're even deplatforming apps so they can control the platforms and remain the few market places. It is an agenda based war on one side, which is what's pushing people to behave the way they are. Market places should be apolitical and neutral, which they're clearly not.

I mean check this and I think Parler was on their side

 

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Come on dude big tech censorship e tends way past this. They're even deplatforming apps so they can control the platforms and remain the few market places. It is an agenda based war on one side, which is what's pushing people to behave the way they are. Market places should be apolitical and neutral, which they're clearly not.

I mean check this and I think Parler was on their side

Who decies what is fair and balanced?
I do agree that taking away those platforms is too far, but also removing Trump after all this time is what he deserves.
Enabling those platforms is not making it more fair, it's just enabling the other side more.
They don't care about hearing opininions they don't agree with.
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I think I understand where people are coming from, there was some female driver that was in an accident and people wanted to remove her licence cus of it.

It makes sense from their point of view to not grant her the freedom to drive a car anymore, for the sake of safety, but also it's messed up to not let people drive becaues they made a mistake.
 

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Who decies what is fair and balanced?
I do agree that taking away those platforms is too far, but also removing Trump after all this time is what he deserves.
The platforms are doing it, they are purposefully using Trump as an excuse to go on a purge.



Enabling those platforms is not making it more fair, it's just enabling the other side more.
They don't care about hearing opininions they don't agree with.
That can be said for any side, when ideas aren't suppressed then a discussion can be had. That let's people that are reasonable and leaning to either side make up their mind.


I think I understand where people are coming from, there was some female driver that was in an accident and people wanted to remove her licence cus of it.

It makes sense from their point of view to not grant her the freedom to drive a car anymore, for the sake of safety, but also it's messed up to not let people drive becaues they made a mistake.
Removing licences is silly, unless she was doing something ridiculous. However, you're right people are just becoming extreme. The more you try and silence somebody the more extreme they become. Do you know how Hitler rose to power? He tried a coup and was imprisoned, there he wrote Mein Kampf, at the same time the libs were destroying what remained of Germany and empoverishing the masses. Hitler came out and people voted for and supported him. He then started raising the German people, retook German territory, then went for domination of Europe. That happened because they tried to silence Hitler and shat on the majority who were desperate. Americans were becoming desperate and voted for Trump, the Pandemic caused him troubles he may come back stronger or someone like Hitler may rise when the situation is bad enough. That comes from silencing and fisting the people.
 

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The platforms are doing it, they are purposefully using Trump as an excuse to go on a purge.





That can be said for any side, when ideas aren't suppressed then a discussion can be had. That let's people that are reasonable and leaning to either side make up their mind.




Removing licences is silly, unless she was doing something ridiculous. However, you're right people are just becoming extreme. The more you try and silence somebody the more extreme they become. Do you know how Hitler rose to power? He tried a coup and was imprisoned, there he wrote Mein Kampf, at the same time the libs were destroying what remained of Germany and empoverishing the masses. Hitler came out and people voted for and supported him. He then started raising the German people, retook German territory, then went for domination of Europe. That happened because they tried to silence Hitler and shat on the majority who were desperate. Americans were becoming desperate and voted for Trump, the Pandemic caused him troubles he may come back stronger or someone like Hitler may rise when the situation is bad enough. That comes from silencing and fisting the people.
mm I think you have a point, pushing people away from mainstream platfrorms are not gonna make them go away,maybe they start to talk about nazis to kids in fortnite.
I just think there is still a balance there if someone is an owner of a public platform and they don't want it to be used to spread hatred, I understand their decisions. But sure trying to remove all and everything is probably not good.
 

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This was inevitable trump has done way more damage to his legacy than any of the president we know .

We can trace back Andrew Jackson is only named on the list . I dont think trump is racist or neo nazi ,he is just idiot and ignorant of how democracy works becuse he lived in life of bets and gambling . He thought he could do it in mainstream politics but it does not work in his way .

I would say impeach this fucker , i am libertarian btw and honestly goddamn loved john mccain , he insulted a war hero and veteran that does not come in my book.
 
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Mixed up legal rights with moral duties, there.

Otherwise, i don't necessarily disagree
The funny thing is that people who say their freedoms are being taken away, these spoiled brats, don't undertatand that under A CAPITALIST free society, any COMPANY has the right to use THEIR product as they want, if they don't want you to besmirch their invention they have a right to take it away from you.

IF people would want companies to behave like governments and offer them rights they would need BIG government stepping in and forcing companies to allow people to spread their propaganda.

But of course that's socialism...
 

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The funny thing is that people who say their freedoms are being taken away, these spoiled brats, don't undertatand that under A CAPITALIST free society, any COMPANY has the right to use THEIR product as they want, if they don't want you to besmirch their invention they have a right to take it away from you.

IF people would want companies to behave like governments and offer them rights they would need BIG government stepping in and forcing companies to allow people to spread their propaganda.

But of course that's socialism...
Yeah

Hold on! There is still contractual obligation. So if these companies promised free speech or somesuch, then people do have grounds to complain.

If . . .
 

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Yeah

Hold on! There is still contractual obligation. So if these companies promised free speech or somesuch, then people do have grounds to complain.

If . . .
It's not that simple, people usually fall short under the company in a "fair" world. That's why government gives money to companies but not to the millions if people that get fired from them, that's poor economics.
And also socialism.


If you read the contract from blizzard when you buy wow, they for example tell you that they have a right to everything you create, you would think you own the digital media you aqquire, but in theory they could delete every character ever made. It would be bad business but in their right.

Free speech doesn't derive from twitter, free speech was not invented by twitter.

These people who say it's so important are probably the same people sending death threats to comedians for hurting their feelings, scaring people into not saying things they don't like.
 

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It's not that simple, people usually fall short under the company in a "fair" world. That's why government gives money to companies but not to the millions if people that get fired from them, that's poor economics.
And also socialism.


If you read the contract from blizzard when you buy wow, they for example tell you that they have a right to everything you create, you would think you own the digital media you aqquire, but in theory they could delete every character ever made. It would be bad business but in their right.

Free speech doesn't derive from twitter, free speech was not invented by twitter.

These people who say it's so important are probably the same people sending death threats to comedians for hurting their feelings, scaring people into not saying things they don't like.
Then its fair game, imo.
With the last paragraph, you seem to boil complex things down to one or two qualities about them.

That dismisses a large degree of factors, relevant factors, and skews your conclusions. If people judged trees for their fruits alone, they'd waste eons trying to invent a giant elastic band to hold the earth together, despite tree roots doing a good job of that. In judging anything, you must account for all factors before assuming a conclusive understanding of it.
 
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