Greatest political minds of NARUTO

[freaks99]

Hashirama is an idealist which is stupid in terms of politics, Tobirama was a realist, a strategist and a good administrator.

tobirama and hashi=all bad in narutoverse

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama was like the Martin Luther King Jr of the Narutoverse. He believed all clans are created equal and should be able to live together in a village in harmony lol

True Hashi was an idealist but his dreams led the way to reality. Tobirama just had the political skills to actually make it work

M.L.K wouldn't be the right analogy

hashi/tobir=juubi and 4 war

Madara and Obito and Danzo = 4th War

The retarded countries who fought over bijuus after Hashirama's death = Juubi.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Hashirama is a political doofus, he even ostracized Tobirama when he viewed his measures as "oppression" to the Uchihas wherein Tobirama put him in his place by saying he of all people should know the Uchihas have the curse if hatred

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Hashirama was politically inept.

 

[freaks99]

Madara and Obito and Danzo = 4th War

their system has led to the birth of danzo,madara and obito

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama is a political doofus, he even ostracized Tobirama when he viewed his measures as "oppression" to the Uchihas wherein Tobirama put him in his place by saying he of all people should know the Uchihas have the curse if hatred

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Hashirama was politically inept.

Tobirama put him in his place? LMAOOO.

Also, the very thing Hashirama was trying to get rid of was the "Curse of hatred".. which Tobirama increased. Yess very great political mind... give the people you are oppressing more reason to go against you. Real political genius. I bet you prefer Danzo over Hiruzen also huh

their system has led to the birth of danzo,madara and obito

Hashirama's system led to peace. =]

During Hashirama living there was peace. After his death... the idiotic countries waged war for power. Kumo especially.

Danzo was created on his own...

Hashirama's system is that of peace and love.. LMAO. Understand the system before talking about it.

 

[Lightbringer]

What are your greatest political minds?


Mine Top 3:

1. Hashirama: This man had so much though about the shinobi world and what he was gonna do, and how he was gonna do it. He had thought of everything Tobirama established. And also, he even knew that spreading the power would stabilize the lands. Also, that if Senju and Uchiha co-existed other clans/countries would just stop.

2. Danzo: Although the complete disgrace to the Hokages and the leaders of his village. He had a one genius mind for politics and knew it inside and out. He even took out the Sandaime Hokage, out of the competition. And then him working with Hanzo and etc. Back stabing other countries. He had a genius mind for politics

3. Hiruzen Sarutobi/Tobirama: Both geniuses, Hiruzen basically raised the village to its prime growth, as in prosperity and etc. While Tobirama established the Organizational system.

Lol Hashirama a good political mind? Let me keep Madara alive.....oh look 4th shinobi world war, Uchiha Massacre, Juubi, and Hashi clones XD

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol Hashirama a good political mind? Let me keep Madara alive.....oh look 4th shinobi world war, Uchiha Massacre, Juubi, and Hashi clones XD

SO6P responsible for Madara's actions to right.. since he defined chakra. And gave birth to the older son. He could've killed the older son.. but he didn't now did he. Because he believed in LOVE

When you betray your believes that is when you betray yourself.

 

[Lightbringer]

SO6P responsible for Madara's actions to right.. since he defined chakra. And gave birth to the older son. He could've killed the older son.. but he didn't now did he. Because he believed in LOVE

When you betray your believes that is when you betray yourself.

There's a difference between killing your son and someone who was a friend years ago and part of an enemy clan who poses a threat to all you stand.....

It's called false hope and Hashirama succumbed to that notion....which is why the world is in such strife right now

Even Madara told him to kill him because he knew he had nothing left to live for except revenge

Tobirama was the sensible one

....if someone tells me to kill myself or my brother to be even.....I won't just go make a village with him

 

[freaks99]

good leader=permanent end of war... hashirama and tobirama sucks in this aspect

 

[KingHashirama]

There's a difference between killing your son and someone who was a friend years ago and part of an enemy clan who poses a threat to all you stand.....

It's called false hope and Hashirama succumbed to that notion....which is why the world is in such strife right now

Tobirama was the sensible one

Incorrect.
Hashirama didn't kill the LEADER of the Uchiha clan. Because if he had.. the peace arangement and everything else he worked hard to achieve would've been ruined. Meaning the war would've went on.

Go learn the definition of False Hope. Hashirama actually created peace. He actually calmed the world down. Hes the sole reason there are 1 shinobi village per country system.

If Tobirama had listened to Hashirama... Obito wouldn't have been created. =].

good leader=permanent end of war... hashirama and tobirama sucks in this aspect

Then Hiruzen = The worst. 2 World wars came under his reign.

 

[Lightbringer]

Incorrect.
Hashirama didn't kill the LEADER of the Uchiha clan. Because if he had.. the peace arangement and everything else he worked hard to achieve would've been ruined. Meaning the war would've went on.

Go learn the definition of False Hope. Hashirama actually created peace. He actually calmed the world down. Hes the sole reason there are 1 shinobi village per country system.

If Tobirama had listened to Hashirama... Obito wouldn't have been created. =].




Then Hiruzen = The worst. 2 World wars came under his reign.

Even Madara told him to kill him because he knew he had nothing left to live for except revenge


....if someone tells me to kill myself or my brother to be even.....I won't just go make a village with him

Tobirama gave his reasons for doing the things he did.....to channel Uchiha love/hate and also because of Madara's deception(due to Hashi's mercy)

People were already switching sides from Uchiha to the Senju and Madara claimed that no Uchiha held much regard for him anymore at that point....so you're wrong and yeah that is false hope

I guess the fourth shinobi world war and the revival of the juubi have no connection to Hashi

 

[freaks99]

Then Hiruzen = The worst. 2 World wars came under his reign.

no. their system has led to all wars

 

[KingHashirama]

Even Madara told him to kill him because he knew he had nothing left to live for except revenge


....if someone tells me to kill myself or my brother to be even.....I won't just go make a village with him

Tobirama gave his reasons for doing the things he did.....to channel Uchiha love/hate and also because of Madara's deception

People were already switching sides from Uchiha to the Senju and Madara claimed that no Uchiha held much regard for him anymore at that point....so you're wrong and yeah that is false hope

I guess the fourth shinobi world war and the revival of the juubi have no connection to Hashi

Oh my God.. your saying Madara was right?? The same guy whose causing this war.. instead of listening to Hashirama..

You can't "channel" someone's hate. Segregation leads to more hate. Be realistic.

No reason people were switching sides is because Hashirama didn't want any more bloodshed. If he had killed Uchiha Madara, their leader.. what do you think the Uchiha would've thought. " Oh our leader was just power hungry"? no.. They would've thought that the senju killed him on purpose. UNDERSTAND POLITICS, AND PEOPLE.

They have no connection to Hashirama. Hashirama's way is the way that is going to stop this war, through Naruto. Which apparently you think is wrong.

no. their system has led to all wars

Hashirama's system lead to peace

To bad other countries didn't follow his system ;]

 

[Lightbringer]

Oh my God.. your saying Madara was right?? The same guy whose causing this war.. instead of listening to Hashirama..

You can't "channel" someone's hate. Segregation leads to more hate. Be realistic.

No reason people were switching sides is because Hashirama didn't want any more bloodshed. If he had killed Uchiha Madara, their leader.. what do you think the Uchiha would've thought. " Oh our leader was just power hungry"? no.. They would've thought that the senju killed him on purpose. UNDERSTAND POLITICS, AND PEOPLE.

They have no connection to Hashirama. Hashirama's way is the way that is going to stop this war, through Naruto. Which apparently you think is wrong.



Hashirama's system lead to peace

To bad other countries didn't follow his system ;]

Madara went to battle...presumably alone as it was shown in those panels with the EMS.....I'm pretty sure the Uchiha expected him to die.....by your logic no one important ever dies in war....anything could happen

Understand politics....when people go to war, you expect casualties.....Madara went solo....he was the one who attacked, not the senju.....I'm pretty sure the Uchiha would see it coming

Let me give you an example.....Vietnam War....even though the Vietnamese killed many soldiers we still know that our government was at fault

WW2 Many Germans knew that the Nazi's were in the wrong and sympathized for the jews, even though they are their countrymen





So would I rather have a juubi resurrected with an immortal Madara or an Uchiha clan without a leader that could be wiped out easily? hmmm....

 

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Danzo? Not too sure agree with the rest though

 

[KingHashirama]

Madara went to battle...presumably alone as it was shown in those panels with the EMS.....I'm pretty sure the Uchiha expected him to die.....by your logic no one important ever dies in war....anything could happen

Understand politics....when people go to war, you expect casualties.....Madara went solo....he was the one who attacked, not the senju.....I'm pretty sure the Uchiha would see it coming

Let me give you an example.....Vietnam War....even though the Vietnamese killed many soldiers we still know that our government was at fault

WW2 Many Germans knew that the Nazi's were in the wrong and sympathized for the jews, even though they are their countrymen

So would I rather have a juubi resurrected with an immortal Madara or an Uchiha clan without a leader that could be wiped out easily? hmmm....

"Uchiha expected him to die"... How do you know the Uchiha even knew?

If F.D.R wanted to make a peace treaty with Hitler and the Nazi.. hes not gonna go kill Hitler for that..

1. If Hashirama had killed Madara there wouldn't have been no peace. Do you understand? It would've given rise to a new Madara.

2. Your turning Hashirama into a DANZO.. who does everything even a genocide to get his way.. that is not Hashirama.

3. Your a Madara fan right.. then atleast understand your character and his enemy.

4. By my logic.. you don't kill the leader of another country when your trying to make peace with them. Smartass

 

[Lightbringer]

"Uchiha expected him to die"... How do you know the Uchiha even knew?

If F.D.R wanted to make a peace treaty with Hitler and the Nazi.. hes not gonna go kill Hitler for that..

1. If Hashirama had killed Madara there wouldn't have been no peace. Do you understand? It would've given rise to a new Madara.

2. Your turning Hashirama into a DANZO.. who does everything even a genocide to get his way.. that is not Hashirama.

3. Your a Madara fan right.. then atleast understand your character and his enemy.

4. By my logic.. you don't kill the leader of another country when your trying to make peace with them. Smartass

unless that country's leader is crazy madman like kim jong un or yes, hitler.....hell the U.S.A took out saddam hussein and countless other country leaders in the name of peace.

So you're telling me the Uchiha never expect their leader to die.....especially when he went to battle senju on his own? That's not logical

A new Madara? You mean like Sasuke who doesn't even compare as a threat on the same level? Madara was supposedly killed later on anyhow....doesn't seem it gave rise to anything except discrimination mainly because of Tobirama due to Madara's deception after getting a second chance.....

if he was killed earlier, things would have played out a lot differently and possibly in a more positive effect....since the Uchiha were already joining the senju, a new more sensible leader could have succeeded Madara

and you're a Hashi fan....that keeps making Hashi threads. I like Madara, but I'm not going to say he's a great political mind.....intelligent, obviously but his emotions cloud his reasoning and make him a poor leader.

Hashirama's emotion and optimism cloud his judgement as well. After years of countless battle with Madara, it should be evident that he cannot be reasoned with.....instead of creating an alternative and moving forward, he kept trying to work with something that was bound to fail.

and look where it got him. Madara defected, the Uchiha got slaughtered, and gave rise to a shinobi world war and the juubi. Hashirama may not be solely at fault, but his poor decision was one of the biggest causes.

 

[KingHashirama]

unless that country's leader is crazy madman like kim jong un or yes, hitler.....hell the U.S.A took out saddam hussein and countless other country leaders in the name of peace.

So you're telling me the Uchiha never expect their leader to die.....especially when he went to battle senju on his own? That's not logical

A new Madara? You mean like Sasuke who doesn't even compare as a threat on the same level? Madara was supposedly killed later on anyhow....doesn't seem it gave rise to anything except discrimination mainly because of Tobirama due to Madara's deception after getting a second chance.....

if he was killed earlier, things would have played out a lot differently and possibly in a more positive effect....since the Uchiha were already joining the senju, a new more sensible leader could have succeeded Madara

and you're a Hashi fan....that keeps making Hashi threads. I like Madara, but I'm not going to say he's a great political mind.....intelligent, obviously but his emotions cloud his reasoning and make him a poor leader.

Hashirama's emotion and optimism cloud his judgement as well. After years of countless battle with Madara, it should be evident that he cannot be reasoned with.....instead of creating an alternative and moving forward, he kept trying to work with something that was bound to fail.

and look where it got him. Madara defected, the Uchiha got slaughtered, and gave rise to a shinobi world war and the juubi. Hashirama may not be solely at fault, but his poor decision was one of the biggest causes.

Where is it stated the Uchiha knew.. .. From the way Hashirama and that whole conversation went down.. the Uchiha didn't know that Madara was going to go challenge Hashirama.

Madara doesn't appear the same level as threat? Uh joke? Sasuke could've gone and destroyed and killed EVERY SINGLE person in Konoha.

There is a reason he was kept alive. Ok sir. It was not a retarded choice of " Hey we're gonna kill you"..

Why didn't the British kill Napoleon? Because they feared if they killed him it might start another revolution by the young generation influenced by Napoleon ... Samething Hashirama was afraid of.

I'm a Hashirama fan of course.. I'm proud to be. And I'm gonna say hes a great political leader because hes the one who made peace.. NOT TOBIRAMA.. NOT HIRUZEN... NOT MADARA .. But Hashirama.. Even the people of the Fire country and the ALL the people of Konoha wanted Hashirama as their leader. .


In correct. The one who let out his emotions in that scene was Tobirama. He wanted to kill Madara due to him killing many Senju. Hashirama wanted PEACE.. you can't kill a leader of the clan your negotiating with .. and then say " WE WANT PEACE".

Hashirama's way got him to PEACE. Don't put the things that happened after his life on him.