Gold and Silver vs Kakuzu and Hidan 2.0

[Brother Numpsay]

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Intel: Manga

Location: Kakashi vs Zombie Duo


Conditions: Zombie Duo needs to capture these two for Akatsuki. Bashosen has Edo Hiruzen element feats. Brothers have V1/V2 Naruto feats (along with theirs). Brother had to be triggered emotionally into bloodlust in order to go V2.

Edit: Meant to add that Hidan can curse someone even if he touches their chakra

 

[DrProof]

No need for Fanfic Kakuzu. He can hold his own. Maybe they can take.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I don't see how they get through the cloaks, apart from Hidan's tactic. But he can easily be sealed in CQC. Like, the Gold and Silver Bro's aren't a force you wanna contend with.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I don't see how they get through the cloaks, apart from Hidan's tactic. But he can easily be sealed in CQC. Like, the Gold and Silver Bro's aren't a force you wanna contend with.

@Bold you dont think these two are in the same skill/field in Taijutsu/Kenjutsu?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

@Bold you dont think these two are in the same skill/field in Taijutsu/Kenjutsu?

Hidan most likely can't handle an elongated battle in CQC, but factoring in the sealing weapons and one misstep could be the end of it for them, yeah. That's a bad day. I can't recall correctly, but unless your custom-Hidan allows his sacrifical circles to withstand suiton or other elemental attacks, Hidan's likely NOT getting his curse through.

 

[KidGamer65]

With Naruto's feats, the brothers easily win once V2 is used.

1. They have 6 tails. KN6's Bijuu Dama would atomize Kakuzu and Hidan regardless of Domu. That's only one brother, let alone both attacking at the same time.

2. V2 cloak prevents Hidan from cursing them as he can't make contact with their bodies, only their chakra cloak, even if it didn't, Hidan would never get to the position where he could cut them or even if the curse works in this case despite the cloak, he'd get raped in CQC by Gin and Kin.

3. Kakuzu's singular elemental blasts can be countered by Bashosen. If he combines Fire and Wind, then they'd just have to evade or outright tank with Jin cloaks.

Gin Kin stomp. Either one solos, especially the one with Bashosen.

 

[Zexion~]

You gave them Hiruzens feats? That with their cloaks are too much here.

All this isn't needed though, Pretty sure their cloaks are << True Jin ones, so Gian should pierce it. They can't really do much to him so.

In a normal match Immortals can take this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hidan most likely can't handle an elongated battle in CQC, but factoring in the sealing weapons and one misstep could be the end of it for them, yeah. That's a bad day. I can't recall correctly, but unless your custom-Hidan allows his sacrifical circles to withstand suiton or other elemental attacks, Hidan's likely NOT getting his curse through.

Kakuzu manga intel plays a factor here. Hidan can be told that no matter what, go after the brother that isn't using the rope. Plus Hidan fighting style really works out much better then his encounter with Kakashi because he has his long metal cable here.

custom head ritual on made of Fuinjutsu instead of blood[

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] So as long as the spot isnt pure rubble he should be safe.

1. They have 6 tails. KN6's Bijuu Dama would atomize Kakuzu and Hidan regardless of Domu. That's only one brother, let alone both attacking at the same time.

Im not sure if Hidan can be atomize by their tbb here. We witness his immortal body withstanding explosive impact. Although not stronger then tbb, his immortality does neglects the full effect of someones intentional attack. Im sure his body it as much as Bee's tentacle durability (As it can't tank blade but explosive power much superior then those attacks).

Plus I wanted to make sure the brothers have to be triggered/bloodlust in order to activate V2.

2. V2 cloak prevents Hidan from cursing them as he can't make contact with their bodies, only their chakra cloak, even if it didn't, Hidan would never get to the position where he could cut them or even if the curse works in this case despite the cloak, he'd get raped in CQC by Gin and Kin.

(W/Bloodlust condition this scenario of 2 V2's most likely wont happen)

How does he get raped? Hidan is fully capable of challenging them CQC, at least by feats. Kakuzu jutsu are able to add the combo that pressured Kakashi,with either propelling hidan with Suiton or Futon. And if they physically attack first, Hidan dodges and tags either the tail or chakra arms.

3. Kakuzu's singular elemental blasts can be countered by Bashosen. If he combines Fire and Wind, then they'd just have to evade or outright tank with Jin cloaks.

True with V2. Evading it can have Hidan tag them in mid air, if Katon is used to force them, along with another element blast to propel Hidan, to get a tag.

Gin Kin stomp. Either one solos, especially the one with Bashosen.

No one is soloing here. Bashosen cant kill Hidan, or they get nullified by Kakuzu. Becoming large (V2) means easy tag for Hidan.

 

[KidGamer65]

Im not sure if Hidan can be atomize by their tbb here. We witness his immortal body withstanding explosive impact. Although not stronger then tbb, his immortality does neglects the full effect of someones intentional attack. Im sure his body it as much as Bee's tentacle durability (As it can't tank blade but explosive power much superior then those attacks).

Smh.

1. He withstood that attack because it was too weak to do anything significant. Bijuu Dama is much stronger.

2. Immortality does not negate the full effect of an attack. It does nothing to the attack.

And no. His body is nothing like B's tentacles, so don't compare them.

Plus I wanted to make sure the brothers have to be triggered/bloodlust in order to activate V2.

I know, that's why I said when V2 happens.

How does he get raped? Hidan is fully capable of challenging them CQC, at least by feats. Kakuzu jutsu are able to add the combo that pressured Kakashi,with either propelling hidan with Suiton or Futon. And if they physically attack first, Hidan dodges and tags either the tail or chakra arms.

He can challenge a 3-Tomoe Kakashi in CQC. He isn't challenging a V2 Kin or Gin who also have Naruto's feats. KN6 Naruto is much faster than Hidan, can block all his attacks with chakra arms, can hit him with a chakra roar followed by chakra arms that Sharingan users find hard to dodge.

He doesn't stand a chance. He can propel Hidan with Suiton, but Fuuton? Not how it works. It crushes, it doesn't blow things away.

True with V2. Evading it can have Hidan tag them in mid air, if Katon is used to force them, along with another element blast to propel Hidan, to get a tag.

Who said that they have to be mid air to dodge? Not to mention any elemental blast Kakuzu uses would hit Hidan and not propel him, so that's a terrible idea?

No one is soloing here. Bashosen cant kill Hidan, or they get nullified by Kakuzu. Becoming large (V2) means easy tag for Hidan.

The fact that Kakuzu has to use his jutsu to block Bashosen attacks makes it easier for Kin or Gin, not the other way around. He has a solid counter to Kakuzu's whole arsenal, and he can even kill him with Bashosen, and he has Bijuu Dama for Hidan.

 

[Apêx1]

With Naruto's feats, the brothers easily win once V2 is used.

1. They have 6 tails. KN6's Bijuu Dama would atomize Kakuzu and Hidan regardless of Domu. That's only one brother, let alone both attacking at the same time.

2. V2 cloak prevents Hidan from cursing them as he can't make contact with their bodies, only their chakra cloak, even if it didn't, Hidan would never get to the position where he could cut them or even if the curse works in this case despite the cloak, he'd get raped in CQC by Gin and Kin.

3. Kakuzu's singular elemental blasts can be countered by Bashosen. If he combines Fire and Wind, then they'd just have to evade or outright tank with Jin cloaks.

Gin Kin stomp. Either one solos, especially the one with Bashosen.

Are we speaking of the same TBB that Deva path tanked with his bare body?

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OT: Kin and Gin stomp, horrendous match-up.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are we speaking of the same TBB that Deva path tanked with his bare body?

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OT: Kin and Gin stomp, horrendous match-up.

Lmao. Why do people think Deva can tank a point blank Bijuu Dama to the body when he got felled by Rasengan? When Oro couldn't tank a stronger one with his own body?

It was aimed at him, then Deva redirected it with a rock, so at best he only got caught by the outskirts of the explosion.

 

[Apêx1]

Lmao. Why do people think Deva can tank a point blank Bijuu Dama to the body when he got felled by Rasengan? When Oro couldn't tank a stronger one with his own body?

It was aimed at him, then Deva redirected it with a rock, so at best he only got caught by the outskirts of the explosion.

Doesn't matter what he lost to. I know he got smashed by Rasengan. Fact is, the edge of that TBB vaporised massive rocks and Deva was most definitely inside it. Absolutely no way of denying it whatsoever. TBB since Oro's incident changed, as Amateratsu changed from the Toad Stomach incident.

If you look again at the pics Deva was still close to Naruto. Not a chance in hell Deva could run to the outskirts of such a large scale explosion, one that completely dwarfed Gamakichi

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at its peak. Mind you, at its peak it still vaporised the rocks of the hill. It just means there's a low energy per area to vaporise rocks in NV, as that would be the only viable explanation.

 

[KidGamer65]

Doesn't matter what he lost to. I know he got smashed by Rasengan. Fact is, the edge of that TBB vaporised massive rocks and Deva was most definitely inside it. Absolutely no way of denying it whatsoever. TBB since Oro's incident changed, as Amateratsu changed from the Toad Stomach incident.

If you look again at the pics Deva was still close to Naruto. Not a chance in hell Deva could run to the outskirts of such a large scale explosion, one that completely dwarfed Gamakichi

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at its peak. Mind you, at its peak it still vaporised the rocks of the hill. It just means there's a low energy per area to vaporise rocks in NV, as that would be the only viable explanation.

First paragraph is a repeat of what I already addressed. Being on the outskirts of the explosion proves nothing, nor can you say he tanked the full brunt of that Bijuu Dama.

Never once said that Deva ran to the outskirts. KN6 was about to fire, Deva used a rock so it fired elsewhere and it exploded. He was caught in the outskirts. It's nonsense to think your explanation is viable even though it implies he can tank an attack much stronger than Rasengan with little damage and no defense to protect himself.

 

[Zexion~]

Its already been shown that the explosions depiction isn't usually an accurate definition of its damage.

(Taka avoiding a TBB despite it running right through them)

(Sasuke avoiding C2's despite him still being inside the blast's depiction afterwards)

 

[Apêx1]

First paragraph is a repeat of what I already addressed. Being on the outskirts of the explosion proves nothing, nor can you say he tanked the full brunt of that Bijuu Dama.

Never once said that Deva ran to the outskirts. KN6 was about to fire, Deva used a rock so it fired elsewhere and it exploded. He was caught in the outskirts. It's nonsense to think your explanation is viable even though it implies he can tank an attack much stronger than Rasengan with little damage and no defense to protect himself.

Deva Path was in this part of the explosion

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and was against the wall here

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Absolutely no reason whatsoever to suggest Deva had moved locations from where he was given his back was pinned to the wall. He could move towards Naruto and he'd go into the epicentre of the explosion. But he was still at pretty much one of the highest areas of energy concentration in the explosion. Until you can prove to me how he would've escaped faster than a high-energy explosion can detonate, you have no point here. Rasengan beating him or not, it wouldn't matter anyways because Rasengan wouldn't have the energy to vaporise rock at any part of its explosion, whereas TBB was vaporising rock at its weakest point. Being closer to the middle or near the end wouldn't change anything hence it doesn't add to your argument.

Its already been shown that the explosions depiction isn't usually an accurate definition of its damage.

(Taka avoiding a TBB despite it running right through them)

(Sasuke avoiding C2's despite him still being inside the blast's depiction afterwards)

Bad points. Taka dodged it.
Sasuke avoided them, and every time he got caught within one of the blasts, you could see the marks. Every other time he outright dodged them.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. He withstood that attack because it was too weak to do anything significant. Bijuu Dama is much stronger.

2. Immortality does not negate the full effect of an attack. It does nothing to the attack.

And no. His body is nothing like B's tentacles, so don't compare them.

@Bold lets not be argumentative. The attack power can annihilate anyone who doesn't have super armor. Lets argue with good reasoning. A knife and wind sabre isnt more significant then Kakuzu's Futon nor will I assume Shiruken and Raiton spear is as significant a TBB, since Bee's weakest part of the body can withstand it, while it can't for Shiruken and Raiton.

He can challenge a 3-Tomoe Kakashi in CQC. He isn't challenging a V2 Kin or Gin who also have Naruto's feats. KN6 Naruto is much faster than Hidan, can block all his attacks with chakra arms, can hit him with a chakra roar followed by chakra arms that Sharingan users find hard to dodge.

Being able to challenge Kakashi in CQC is a good feat, considering Kakashi can handle multiple V2 heads that puts up a challenge = to a single Kurama V2 CQC. The conditions clearly shows blocking Hidan's attack is not an option. Physical contact to his weapons and Kunai's means cursed.

He doesn't stand a chance. He can propel Hidan with Suiton, but Fuuton? Not how it works. It crushes, it doesn't blow things away.

The attack is pressure... It does both "crush" and blow as we seen in the manga, and explanation of the jutsu via DB...

Who said that they have to be mid air to dodge? Not to mention any elemental blast Kakuzu uses would hit Hidan and not propel him, so that's a terrible idea?

My premise is if they were to most likely dodge the element blast, Kakauzu Katon is perfect for them to do that, since it covers the whole floor (not literally) then springs up. The way everyone dodge it in canon is most likely going to happen here.

Not a terrible idea. Gin or Kin are able to parry Hidan's weapon, the element pushing Hidan gives more force for his strike intention, and over power the parry of the brothers, thus gets tagged.

The fact that Kakuzu has to use his jutsu to block Bashosen attacks makes it easier for Kin or Gin, not the other way around. He has a solid counter to Kakuzu's whole arsenal, and he can even kill him with Bashosen, and he has Bijuu Dama for Hidan.

Kakuzu can neglect or over power Bashosen since Bashosen can only use a single elements at a time, while Kakuzu can combine his for multiple. Plus the fact that Kakuzu can fight too, just like he did to Kakashi. So its a "3" (more then 3) v 1 scenario. So no there is no soloing here.

 

[Zexion~]

Deva Path was in this part of the explosion

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and was against the wall here

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Absolutely no reason whatsoever to suggest Deva had moved locations from where he was given his back was pinned to the wall. He could move towards Naruto and he'd go into the epicentre of the explosion. But he was still at pretty much one of the highest areas of energy concentration in the explosion. Until you can prove to me how he would've escaped faster than a high-energy explosion can detonate, you have no point here. Rasengan beating him or not, it wouldn't matter anyways because Rasengan wouldn't have the energy to vaporise rock at any part of its explosion, whereas TBB was vaporising rock at its weakest point. Being closer to the middle or near the end wouldn't change anything hence it doesn't add to your argument.



Bad points. Taka dodged it.
Sasuke avoided them, and every time he got caught within one of the blasts, you could see the marks. Every other time he outright dodged them.

Uh no? They ended up in the exact same place really?

Also no

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The blast was used...its AoE Established yet somehow AFTER it exploded Sasuke emerges from the depicted AoE. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Apêx1]

Uh no? They ended up in the exact same place really?

Also no

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The blast was used...its AoE Established yet somehow AFTER it exploded Sasuke emerges from the depicted AoE. Doesn't make sense.

Uh are you blind? They are the dots on that water.

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You can clearly see they move to the side, as the Hachibi is facing to their right and the damage is all to their right. Funny that you think they could just be unaffected by such an attack.

In Deidara's case he was already inside the edge of the explosion where the energy is at its lowest. You could clearly see the scuff marks on his face, it just means that part of the explosion was too weak to do anything. In this case Deva was in one of the most concentrated parts of the explosion, so these comparisons mean absolutely nothing.

 

[Zexion~]

Uh are you blind? They are the dots on that water.

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You can clearly see they move to the side, as the Hachibi is facing to their right and the damage is all to their right. Funny that you think they could just be unaffected by such an attack.

In Deidara's case he was already inside the edge of the explosion where the energy is at its lowest. You could clearly see the scuff marks on his face, it just means that part of the explosion was too weak to do anything. In this case Deva was in one of the most concentrated parts of the explosion, so these comparisons mean absolutely nothing.

:lol the first one it seemed like Hachibi was facing the other way.



What? Is the proof of that, the blast is drawn the same is what I was saying anyways nothing looks weaker.

 

[Apêx1]

:lol the first one it seemed like Hachibi was facing the other way.



What? Is the proof of that, the blast is drawn the same is what I was saying anyways nothing looks weaker.

The blast can't look weaker. Fact is, the epicentre/area of detonation is the strongest and has the highest energy concentration whereas the energy reduces the further you get away from the centre. That's how explosions work in the first place.