Goku's destructive capcity

[Son Wukong]

SSJ 3 - Multi solar system level+ (During the fight against Beerus)
SSG - Multi galaxy level+ (Stalemated the collision which was allegedly gonna destroy the Universe)
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(Goku absorbed Godly Ki, trained in ROSAT for 3 years plus trained under Whis indicates decent power progression. Thus, its safe it assume that he's inching very close to Universal destructive capacity)
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Base (Current) - Nigh Universal (It was explictly stated by Gohan that his Ki was >SSG whilst the battle with Frieza)
SSJ - Nigh Universal (almost capable of destroying the Universe along with the dark matter)
SSGSS- Universal
SSBK- Universal+

Brief elaboration : SSG Goku himself demonstrated half of the required destructive force to blow up the Universe. At someone point Goku absorbed the Godly ki essentially making it his own, which is why he was able to keep up with Beerus. Later he trained with Whis, to improvise his strength, combat and reflexes. Moreover, he decided to train in the hyperbolic chamber for 3 years which implies great power progression. During his clash against Frieza, Gohan and Krillin pointed out that his base form Ki is frighteningly higher in comparison to Super Saiyan God. Thus implying that Base Goku is >/= to SSG.

SSB augments his power and abilities and SSBK further boosts the stats by a 10x. Its great to see that Dragonball has cosmic tier beings thus officially becoming a high tier anime verse.

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[Gerkak]

I agree.

 

[Jokule67]

I just find it weird that they actually had to put in "gods" and cosmic beings to prove what was already there. Now they really do have to fight in space cuz its impossible to control that much power.

They were stronger than all the gods anyway by the end of z.

 

[Son Wukong]

I just find it weird that they actually had to put in "gods" and cosmic beings to prove what was already there. Now they really do have to fight in space cuz its impossible to control that much power.

They were stronger than all the gods anyway by the end of z.

Guess what? It has been confirmed that upcoming god battles will surpass space and time, meaning you'll get to see multiversal destruction.

 

[The Necromancer]

Well Master Roshi with like maybe a couple hundred power level could destroy the moon, power levels grow exponentially and Goku is in the multiple millions.... so what do you think?

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Well Master Roshi with like maybe a couple hundred power level could destroy the moon, power levels grow exponentially and Goku is in the multiple millions.... so what do you think?

That power levels are utterly irrelevant. They were introduced just to screw with Frieza's army when the relied on them too much. (For the record, Goku's been in the hundred-millions level since Namek)

If they were at all relevant, then Frieza (120,000,000) would have been able to wipe out solar systems by breathing too hard.

 

[Son Wukong]

I don't really think power levels are a reliable methodology to gauge the energy output. IIRC, Roshi blew up the Moon at a power level of 139 which would make a farmer of power level 5 building+ level.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Super Saiyan God (Red Hair) is still far stronger than Super Saiyan Blue. Even though SSB Goku was being matched in strength by Hit and Frieza, their fights never came close to destroying the universe.

Also, regarding Gohan/Krillin's comparison

During his clash against Frieza, Gohan and Krillin pointed out that his base form Ki is frighteningly higher in comparison to Super Saiyan God. Thus implying that Base Goku is >/= to SSG.

God's Ki cannot be sensed, except by other godly beings (Which for some reason includes Dende. Guess the title isn't just for show) So Gohan and Krillin sensing Goku's strength implies that he isn't on the same level as Red Hair.

Remember Whis' comparason, that Goku and Vegeta were still far below Gods of destruction in strength.

 

[Son Wukong]

Super Saiyan God (Red Hair) is still far stronger than Super Saiyan Blue. Even though SSB Goku was being matched in strength by Hit and Frieza, their fights never came close to destroying the universe.

Also, regarding Gohan/Krillin's comparison

During his clash against Frieza, Gohan and Krillin pointed out that his base form Ki is frighteningly higher in comparison to Super Saiyan God. Thus implying that Base Goku is >/= to SSG.[/img]
God's Ki cannot be sensed, except by other godly beings (Which for some reason includes Dende. Guess the title isn't just for show) So Gohan and Krillin sensing Goku's strength implies that he isn't on the same level as Red Hair.

Remember Whis' comparason, that Goku and Vegeta were still far below Gods of destruction in strength.

1- You can't really argue "SSG>SSB!" when the narrator, several characters and Goku himself stated that SSB is a vastly superior transformation.
2- Their fights never threatened the Universe since they were were fighting within an enclosed barrier created by a cosmic being aka Vados. Furthermore, Goku learnt how to perfect Universal threatening blows and hence cancelling the resultant shockwaves. Which is why no shockwaves were created when Beerus and Goku clashed afterwards 3rd collision.
3- Again, SSB's ki was sensed cus of the involvement of Super saiyan Ki so get your facts straight.

 

[Son Wukong]

And its retarded to show the same feat over and over again when the viewers already know the outcome, this element is also known as author exposition. Its a question of necessity, why do expect Toei to animate universal shockwaves when its given that he learnt how to cancel the shockwaves? Its just like Hulk not blowing up the planet every time he throws a serious punch. Why is it weird for Dragonball to utilizing exposition when other franchises have been doing it?

 

[The Necromancer]

And its retarded to show the same feat over and over again when the viewers already know the outcome, this element is also known as author exposition. Its a question of necessity, why do expect Toei to animate universal shockwaves when its given that he learnt how to cancel the shockwaves? Its just like Hulk not blowing up the planet every time he throws a serious punch. Why is it weird for Dragonball to utilizing exposition when other franchises have been doing it?

I agree.

 

[Berkenstiel]

Around universal but not unvierse+

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

1- You can't really argue "SSG>SSB!" when the narrator, several characters and Goku himself stated that SSB is a vastly superior transformation.
2- Their fights never threatened the Universe since they were were fighting within an enclosed barrier created by a cosmic being aka Vados. Furthermore, Goku learnt how to perfect Universal threatening blows and cancelling the resultant shockwaves. Which is why no shockwaves were created when Beerus and Goku clashed afterwards the 3rd collison.
3- Again, SSB's ki was sensed cus of the involvement of Super saiyan Ki so get your facts straight.

In terms of use, Sure, i'll say Super Saiyan Blue is better than Super Saiyan God. But that's because SSG has the time limit, and SSB can be accessed at any time. In terms of raw power, i'm still saying SSG is better.

SSB Goku wouldn't nececarilly always be trying to avoid accidental universe destroying, so there would bound to be at least one or two shockwaves before he remembers to cancel them if he was still on the same level as SSG.

Also, Golden Frieza was still terrified of Beerus, even though he was stronger than Goku (He didn't know the stamina problem yet). If SSB Goku was as strong as SSG Goku (Who was able to fight against Beerus without dying horribly, and even force him to go at full power), then Frieza would have been even stronger than Beerus, which we know he wasn't.

(You have to work under the Saitama clause when judging power levels in Dragonball Super. Whis and Beerus are the strongest, No exceptions. [Except Zemo, but shut up])

 

[Son Wukong]

I'm still wondering how can someone argue SSB>SSG when its already established that the transformation is a vastly superior one. It has been mentioned by Gohan, Krillin, Frieza, Goku and the narrator himself which makes it an undisputable fact. The lack of feats on SSG's magnitude doesn't dispute anything since Dragonball is a franchise notorious for power scaling. Unless the contrary provides irrefutable evidence contradicting that SSB wasn't cancelling shockwaves against Frieza and others, their argument holds no merit.

 

[Son Wukong]

In terms of use, Sure, i'll say Super Saiyan Blue is better than Super Saiyan God. But that's because SSG has the time limit, and SSB can be accessed at any time. In terms of raw power, i'm still saying SSG is better.

SSB Goku wouldn't nececarilly always be trying to avoid accidental universe destroying, so there would bound to be at least one or two shockwaves before he remembers to cancel them if he was still on the same level as SSG.

Also, Golden Frieza was still terrified of Beerus, even though he was stronger than Goku (He didn't know the stamina problem yet). If SSB Goku was as strong as SSG Goku (Who was able to fight against Beerus without dying horribly, and even force him to go at full power), then Frieza would have been even stronger than Beerus, which we know he wasn't.

(You have to work under the Saitama clause when judging power levels in Dragonball Super. Whis and Beerus are the strongest, No exceptions. [Except Zemo, but shut up])

1- Literally nothing substantiates that point of yours, well except the lack of damage assessment which I had already refuted by pointing out that Goku learnt how to stalemate Universal destructive force.
2- Its basics that Ki control is verily utilized by Goku to control the shape, size, trajectory, vector and collateral damage of his attacks. It is an imperative area of effect mechanism which has been demonstrated multiple times. Also him "forgetting" to cancel the shockwaves is pure speculation from your part.
3- That's an erroneous analogy. The percentile Beerus used against SSG was never provided. Just because Frieza is stronger than Goku doesn't prove that Frieza is stronger than Beerus lol.
4- And I never denied that Beerus and Whis are stronger, your point is?

 

[Shiroyasha]

In terms of use, Sure, i'll say Super Saiyan Blue is better than Super Saiyan God. But that's because SSG has the time limit, and SSB can be accessed at any time. In terms of raw power, i'm still saying SSG is better.

SSB Goku wouldn't nececarilly always be trying to avoid accidental universe destroying, so there would bound to be at least one or two shockwaves before he remembers to cancel them if he was still on the same level as SSG.

Also, Golden Frieza was still terrified of Beerus, even though he was stronger than Goku (He didn't know the stamina problem yet). If SSB Goku was as strong as SSG Goku (Who was able to fight against Beerus without dying horribly, and even force him to go at full power), then Frieza would have been even stronger than Beerus, which we know he wasn't.

(You have to work under the Saitama clause when judging power levels in Dragonball Super. Whis and Beerus are the strongest, No exceptions. [Except Zemo, but shut up])

In what world is SSG superior to SSB? It's been stated numerous times by different people that SSB is far above SSG. Actually, the SSG transformation technically doesn't exist anymore since they've trained and mastered the Ki. Which is why it's called "Saiyan above God" (Btw i'm talking about the red version so yeah).
Even Goku himself stated that SSB is a much more calm and controlled transformation as compared to the SSG transformation. But it still doesn't change the fact that if he willed it, he'd easily be able to destroy multiple planets while fighting. Heck, even Beerus was worried when he saw him combine the Kaioken attack with the SSB transformation.

So tbh all your claims are baseless and you don't really have any facts to back them up.

 

[Son Wukong]

And Kudos to SSBK Goku for actually resisting Universal hax such as time manipulation, that's one of his greatest feat imho.

 

[pakitoT3L3K]

And Kudos to SSBK Goku for actually resisting Universal hax such as time manipulation, that's one of his greatest feat imho.

By far the best I've ever seen, even whiz was impressed and we'll whiz and his family are time controlling beings

 

[Son Wukong]

I'm wondering what the other visitors are doing in the thread without leaving their input :|

 

[HashiraMadara]

I'm wondering what the other visitors are doing in the thread without leaving their input :|

XD

OTT: SSG is like Goku at the start of SSJ3, there was wild energy output and almost destroyed the earth. Fast forward to vs Buhaan He could go from base to SSJ 3 in a split second without any damage to the environment.

On the power level topic: Goku SSJ 3 is already multi galaxy destroying :|, He has enough power to rack the universe too :|, On its debut SSJ 3 was felt in the world of the Kais outside the living universe :|. Vs Janemba He racked Grand Kais planet while he was transforming in hell :|. Buuhan who was just >>> Goku. His screams racks the universe apart.

SSB has stable energy inflow and outflow. That's why he can even access Keoken on it. He stated, normal SSJ would kill him if he did keoken. (Yet in the filler vs Pikkon he did SSJ Keoken :|)