[Discussion] Goku vs The Flash

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Characters powers: Goku - What we all seen in the anime...
The Flash - The power of the speed force.

Location: The city. Starting from one mile away.

Restrictions: No flying.

My argument: The Flash wins because he will not be touched. I will further explain once other arguments have been made.
 

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these types of threads are not allowed!
 

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why did u make such a stupid thread... goku wins easily
 

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And the flash(wally west) can move 500 times the speed of light. Whats your point?

How sir?

One of the weakest characters at the start of DBZ moved faster than the speed of light and his name is Raditz.

Imagine what speed Goku can move at in the end of GT! He must be 1 million times or more faster than the speed of light. Idiotic people like you make Goku look so weak when you match him up against fodders.
 

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To go along with the thread...


Goku! He'll just release a bunch of Ki and blow The Flash away or something. Or go Super Saiyan (4) and The Flash won't be able to scratch him.
 

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Well...Since you said anime feats.......Flash still wins. Raditz did say he was faster than light, but nothing in the anime and manga suggest they move that fast, not even combat speed and reflexes.

Let me do some math for the non believers.
The speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second. The circumference of the Earth(the length of the Equator) is 40,075,000 meters.

That means light can travel around the Earth 7.48 (299,792,458/40,075,000) times in one second.

Now, remember when Goku first used Instant Transmission? He went from where they were currently to Master Roshi's, got his sunglasses, then came back. IF Goku were faster than light, he had no reason to use Instant Transmission. He could have just flew there. He didn't though, he used that technique. More importantly, EVERYONE was impressed by that speed, even Vegeta who is around Goku's level.

If they could move faster than light, there was no reason for them to be impressed. That short distance would have been nothing to them. Even Krillin since he was MUCH stronger then Raditz during that time. If people who are stronger then Raditz were impressed that Goku could move at such speeds, which both light speed and instant transmission would have taken relatively the same time from such a short distance, it says that they really can't move at light speed.

Let's say the island and where they were fighting Frieza were on opposite sides of the world. That would be 40,075,000 meters away(a there and back trip aka the circumference of the Earth) That means Goku could travel to Master Roshi's and back in 1/7th of a second if he could travel at the speed of light. This just ties into how fast light speed really is. It isn't something to throw around. That's like saying Haku is light speed since he said he was, therefore Naruto characters are just as fast as DBZ characters. Zoro dodged light speed attacks from Kuma on Thriller Bark. I guess that means One Piece characters are just as fast as DBZ characters too. In fact, Luffy dodged those same lasers after the time skipped and commented saying that was slow. I guess Luffy can see light speed attacks and can move faster then them. Don't take every comment said in a manga/anime as truth. Using logic, you can easily see it is false.


Now for the actual race. Most DBZ feats show them either flying or fighting. Actual speed on the ground in a foot race is almost non existent. (Another side note. All the times we see them flying to places, they should arrive there almost instantly if they could move at the speed of light, like when they were flying to Majin buu and Babidi's place. Should have been their almost instantly since they were trying to get there as fast as the could). Most of their speed is either quick bursts to move from an attack or flying speed. Maybe you can come up with some obscure calc stackign and power scaling from when Goku as a kid ran the 100m dash in less than 6 secs. Other then that, there isn't much to use.


Also, which Flash. One is much more op then the other. One can actually steal speed from their opponent making them almost look like they are standing still. If it is this Flash, Goku stands no chance. (Another note. This was the same Flash Superman tied in a race across the universe. Just Saiyan).


Either way, hopefully people will see that Goku stands no chance in a foot race against the Flash.
 

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Well...Since you said anime feats.......Flash still wins. Raditz did say he was faster than light, but nothing in the anime and manga suggest they move that fast, not even combat speed and reflexes.

Let me do some math for the non believers.
The speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second. The circumference of the Earth(the length of the Equator) is 40,075,000 meters.

That means light can travel around the Earth 7.48 (299,792,458/40,075,000) times in one second.

Now, remember when Goku first used Instant Transmission? He went from where they were currently to Master Roshi's, got his sunglasses, then came back. IF Goku were faster than light, he had no reason to use Instant Transmission. He could have just flew there. He didn't though, he used that technique. More importantly, EVERYONE was impressed by that speed, even Vegeta who is around Goku's level.

If they could move faster than light, there was no reason for them to be impressed. That short distance would have been nothing to them. Even Krillin since he was MUCH stronger then Raditz during that time. If people who are stronger then Raditz were impressed that Goku could move at such speeds, which both light speed and instant transmission would have taken relatively the same time from such a short distance, it says that they really can't move at light speed.

Let's say the island and where they were fighting Frieza were on opposite sides of the world. That would be 40,075,000 meters away(a there and back trip aka the circumference of the Earth) That means Goku could travel to Master Roshi's and back in 1/7th of a second if he could travel at the speed of light. This just ties into how fast light speed really is. It isn't something to throw around. That's like saying Haku is light speed since he said he was, therefore Naruto characters are just as fast as DBZ characters. Zoro dodged light speed attacks from Kuma on Thriller Bark. I guess that means One Piece characters are just as fast as DBZ characters too. In fact, Luffy dodged those same lasers after the time skipped and commented saying that was slow. I guess Luffy can see light speed attacks and can move faster then them. Don't take every comment said in a manga/anime as truth. Using logic, you can easily see it is false.


Now for the actual race. Most DBZ feats show them either flying or fighting. Actual speed on the ground in a foot race is almost non existent. (Another side note. All the times we see them flying to places, they should arrive there almost instantly if they could move at the speed of light, like when they were flying to Majin buu and Babidi's place. Should have been their almost instantly since they were trying to get there as fast as the could). Most of their speed is either quick bursts to move from an attack or flying speed. Maybe you can come up with some obscure calc stackign and power scaling from when Goku as a kid ran the 100m dash in less than 6 secs. Other then that, there isn't much to use.


Also, which Flash. One is much more op then the other. One can actually steal speed from their opponent making them almost look like they are standing still. If it is this Flash, Goku stands no chance. (Another note. This was the same Flash Superman tied in a race across the universe. Just Saiyan).


Either way, hopefully people will see that Goku stands no chance in a foot race against the Flash.

DBZ speed is just like there power. DBZ don't show there true speed and you need go look at the x gravity that DBZ characters train at. Vegeta was training at 500x gravity and he was still quick as hell and that was only in the Trunks Saga imagine what x gravity Goku could train at in the end of GT? Even as a kid Goku was extremely fast as he could dodge bullets and lightning with ease so i'm sure Goku at the end ouf GT can move millions or more faster than the speed of light.and even the Death Battle people which i assune you believe because they said that Superman beats Goku said that Goku can move many times faster than the speed of light.
 
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The flash can out run death. The flash takes this
 
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One of the weakest characters at the start of DBZ moved faster than the speed of light and his name is Raditz.

Imagine what speed Goku can move at in the end of GT! He must be 1 million times or more faster than the speed of light. Idiotic people like you make Goku look so weak when you match him up against fodders.

That was a dub error.

And even if you count it, it's still an outlier compared to the rest of the feats DBZ has.

E.g. The Gotenks flying around the planet feat.

That wasn't FTL. Yet he is clearly much faster than Raditz.

As I said "Outlier".
 

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the flash is so fast he can warp space and time. even superman would be given a run for his money. here is his OBD profile



Name: Wallace Rudolph West/The Flash/Formerly Kid Flash
Origin: DC Comics
Gender: Male
Classification: Human speedforce user
Age: Likely 30 - 40
Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, agility, durability, intangibility, time travel, dimensional travel, control of kinetic energy, energy manipulation, accelerated healing, can create black holes, can create whirlwinds and wind attacks by moving his arms fast, can process information at super speed and even out think a futuristic supercomputer, can become invisible, flight, can run in frictionless environments like in space, super speed communication, can form his costume spontaneously, can summon his children to him with a Speedforce connection, can cause people and things to explode by vibrating through them, can use his Speedforce aura to envelop other things beside himself (for example to save someone at super speed without it damaging their body, or to throw a projectile at super speed), at least Barry is capable of absorbing the entire speedforce and using it to complete restructure time throughout the universe, West mainlines the power from the force itself and cannot be cut off from the source, unlike the other Flashes.
Weaknesses: Various types of energy can affect him even at super speed, as well as diminish/cut off his connection to the Speedforce. Using the Speedforce too much can result in him being permanently trapped in it. Cannot alter the kinetic energy of objects that gain their speed from time manipulation
Destructive Capacity: Potentially planet level+
Range: Most of his powers are melee based but he can use ranged Speedforce effects a few meters away, the whirlwinds he creates can reach for kilometers like real tornadoes.
Speed: Infinitely FTL, no set limit to how fast he can move, can gain a limited omnipresence
Durability: Above peak human, his speedforce aura protects him from the effects of traveling at super speed and also allows him to withstand attacks that would easily kill a normal human, such as class 100 blows
Strength: His base strength is peak human, but the speedforce allows him to amplify it to well over 100 tons, even allowing him to punch with the force of a white dwarf star (see Notable Attacks/Techniques below)
Stamina: Superhuman, as long as he maintains his connection to the speedforce he can continually renew it
Standard Equipment: Nothing notable
Intelligence: Has a college education, mastery of the speedforce, has many years of experience fighting all kinds of enemies. Said to have read the internet. The whole thing (though this would probably result in a mental handicap of some sort)
Notable Attacks/Techniques:

- Infinite Mass Punch: By accelerating to near lightspeed, he uses the speedforce to allow the effects of relativity to increase the mass of his body, thus allowing him to hit with an incredibly powerful punch (said to be as powerful as the mass of a white dwarf star)

- Speedforce Dump: After touching his opponent, he can dump, (BFR) them into the dimension of the speedforce. This was one of the few attacks that was effective against Superboy Prime

- Speed Steal: By touching (or just getting near) an opponent, he can steal all of their kinetic momentum and add it to his own. In addition to slowing the target down, it also immobilizes them indefinitely, making them frozen like a statue

One of the weakest characters at the start of DBZ moved faster than the speed of light and his name is Raditz.
really? show me a manga scan of someone stating this to be the case or a manga scan of him moving FTL please
Raditz did say he was faster than light
scan? or link to japanese episode please

Imagine what speed Goku can move at in the end of GT! He must be 1 million times or more faster than the speed of light.
flahs has limited omnipresence. so thats still not enough
 

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So we all can see that wally west takes this right?
 
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