Gokage vs Hashirama

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Almost comical response, can you not remember the quote from Madara saying that Hashirama's healing was on another level to Tsunades? Being the only man to have seen them both I think I'll take his word over what Tsunade did with her summon and caused her to fall into a coma.

I don't think you got Madara's attitude in that fight, it was the thought of; 'these guys are worthless, I have new powers, let's test them' If you think that he'd of acted as nonchalant as that if he had a physical body then that's another story.

Anyway the Madara fight isn't on topic, so how about you respond to the other points which were more relevant

You do know when madara stated this, he didn't know the full extent of tsunades healing Techs?.

He said that based on what he had seen so Far, This was befor she even used Her Regen Healing tech (forgot it's name), Then Madara went of to say "This is the same tech as hashirama's).
As i said, Most of madara's statements about the kages are based on his own arrogance, He hadn't seen everything the kages had so he cannot rightfully compare them at that point it time, But he did.

He also said they were trash, Yet later he went on to say "They do deserve the title of Kage".
Madara's statements cannot be taken as 100% fact, since most of his statements were made when he lacks knowledge on the kages full potential.
 

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Everyone is seeking fo Hashiramas DNA, it has a power that shortens the interval from Kotoamatsukami from 10 years to a few hours, hefought Madara in a landscape changing battle and created a valley. He controlled all Biju and created Konoha with his Mokuton, don't wory about his stamina.

Oonoki cut off the small part of Mokuton Madara affected with fire, Hashirama can still accelerate the growth again. Helping each other while being outnumbered by Mokuton Bunshins doesn't seem really legit, too. The five Kage couldn't stand a chance against 25 Susanoo but Madara however was toying. I could give you a few examples, where Madarawould have crushed any of the Kage immediately but went the other way around.

Hashirama is most likely a sensor, Hashirama and his clones can merge with the surroundings since low quality clones of himself can do this, too. Yamato as a mere Mokuton user can merge with the surroundings, too. It doesn't play a matter whether they go on distance or not. Hashirama and his clones can merge with the ground, disappear and suddenly appear behind any of them, or shoot a tendril from within the ground. You actually want to tell me, that it would be an eade for Oonoki and Gaara to go on distance, but it would actually be the other way around.

First, Hashirama will create a flower tree world and force them to fly. After this, he could accelerate the growth of the tendrils up to the sky and hit them on the ground, like Madara did it with his Susanoo. Obito proved it similar, when let huge tendrils grow to the sky. After doing this, the could be affected by the pollen of the flower tree world, like they were when Madara hit them on the floor. Subsequently he creates a bunch of Mokuton Bunshins and will hide himself in the surroundings. Hashirama can go on his fullest while Madara didn't. Each Kage will have to fight, let us say 3 Mokuton Bunshins. One Mokuton Bunshin will use the Bringer of Darkness and fight them with two other Bunshins. Well, Tsunade and Mei can try to go on distance, the original Hashirama will trvavel within the surroundings towards him and shoot out tendrils in order to crush them. As speed is only fast on a straight line, when hitting the target, his movements become transparently. Sasuke saw A's movements and used Blaze Releaze, Madara caught him with his Susanoo and used a Genjutsu. It's not much of a problem to cast a Genjutsu on him if he only needs to perform signs and cast it. Hashiramas abilities are by far superior to any Kage compared 1 on 1 and if they're outnumbered with clones who can use the originals abilities, they will in fact lose.

The Mokuton and his medical skills grant him more than enough possibilities to beat the Gokage and Madara said it well. Arrogance or not, Madara is intelligent and can acknowledge the opponents power, like he did it to the Gokage, but if he, who fought both the Gokage and Hashirama said, that Hashirama in fact is more powerful, than it's a fact and I don't see what there is to debate. Hashirama fought Madaras full power, he handled the Kyuubi and beat the perfect Susanoo.

Hype and feat wise, they cannot stand up to him. All sites made Hashirama out to be the ultimate Shinobi, that's a fact and no false statements.
 

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Hashirama rapes literally no diff.
 

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dude,he can use it,but has never shown which tech he has,so stick with moukton.

Madara's moukton is on par with hashirama's,kabuto said so IIRC,last time i checked he dropped 2 meteors,used 25 susanoo clones,used preta path to escape the gaara naruto combo,used several mouktons.

A is much stronger than guy,and faster,the trees didnt absorb the jinton when onoki cleared the forest,A has raiton armour whih is strong against wood,so holding him isnt easy especially with his speed.

The wood dragon can't reach onoki before he does jinton,not to mention the fact that the normal sand of gaara has no chakra to absorb.

Why cany hashi be hit by jinton?,or sand coffined?,madara himself got hit by both.

I said mist not acid one,the hidden mist that can hide the kages allowing for a jinton.or a sand coffin.

If onoki flies,what can hashirama do?,a jinton would kill him,and he would have 4 other kages to deal with.

I dont see how hashirama can beat the gokages

Lol at some of your points, first off I thing you need to learn what chakra is, in a more detailed fashion..

Yes he can use it, meaning he can, people say don't assume someone can do a jutsu he doesn't have, i never claimed he has a jutsu, but he has water and earth release and that is that. He clearly can use them well if Yamato can, a moukoton user who pales in comparison to Hashirama (given hashi DNA).

kabuto does not know hashirama so believing anything he says about him is idiotic. Madara was given Hashi Dna just like Yamato was, and Yamato claimed he paled in comparison with Hashirama so it can go either way, but I would rather believe the moukoton user him self. Hashirama had great life force which empowered his moukoton with the addition of the crystal necklace, Madara doesn't have the life forece nor the crystal necklace.

Your argument is that of an impudent Moron's. I did not claims that a regular tree would absorb Jinton, nor did I say it will absorb it once it's reached the final stage before turning things into dust. All I said was if he were caught in the wooden dragon, as he were to do the small cube in his hands the jinton would easily get absorbed and there is no denying that. Raiton Armor is made of chakra which will get absorbed, so using it in his situation is stupid as it is not piercing the wood, if you didn't know only attacks that hit directly against earth (wood as well) can penetrate through it with ease, Raiton armor cannot be used offensively to penetrate their for rendering it ineffective and a waste of chakra. His speed when he's in the wooden dragon doesn't count as he has not generated any momentum (he's in midair, still, losing chakra).

Gaara's sand has chakra manipulating it, again you make a false claim. If it required no chakra he would have never ran out of chakra against Kimimaro. Gaara himself stated that he uses a tiny bit of chakra to manipulate every grain of sand to do as he wants.

Never claimed he can't, but there's lower probability that the sand burials, jinton would hit the correct Hashirama.

She blinds all her foes as well if she uses the hidden mist, and judging by logic Hashi has a higher chance of hitting blinded due to experience and moukoton; which is a tank technique that covers a large area, what can the others do? tsunade can't see to punch, Mei can't do much without hurting others, Raikage can't hit without seeing opponent first, Gaara can be somewhat effective to guard, Onoki can't do anything other than use his experience, flying will not help, he doesn't see him if he's over them. Hashirama can use this moment to use Wood dragon and take their chakra as well as trap them. Second scenario; he does wood clones; everyone listens carefully (obviosuly) once wood clone hits a kage she yells or they hear something going on, rushing to help they get ambushed one by one. third case scenario; He creates Nativity of a World of Trees on a very rough assumption of where they were, and is bound to hit a feww with the radius of that attack.

Hashirama does wood clones repetitively separating them apart from each other in a good distance, thus not showing who the real Hashirama is. Jinton being used on the wrong one would only mean a large waste of chakra, and he would likely miss again against the wood clones Hashirama has. they can all adapt to their surrounding making it hard for someone to see them, especially while flying.

Moukoton/ suiton while he is in the air is enough, Onoki can't do anything since he doesn't want to waste chakra using dust release on a clone (not to forget he can barely see in the hidden mist jutsu under him. Do not forget he can use bringer of darkness to trap him in an A rank genjutsu.
 
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Why do people keep using the fact that madara was toying with the kages as a way to remove their perfomance?,toying or not,2 meteors,preta path,25 susanoo clones,several mouktons,several katons,perfect susanoo is at least trying,madara wouldnt even survove the 2 meteors,let alone the other ones,if the kages were able to push madara to use a bushin to escape,then they were not toyed with.

His medical ninjutsu is on par with tsunades. He snt catching A in a genjutsu,he dosent have an ems to put him down with a glance,and A is much too quick for him.

Hashirama's moukton can be avoided and destroyed,or counterd by another land scape changing move,he isnt the only one that changes landscapes here.

His healing abilites wont save him from a jinton,or a sand pyramid.

If jinton took our 25 wod clones of an immortal,3 of a mortal arent a problem. His genjutsu is short ranged,he isnt getting close enough to pull that off,not to mention gaara can still easily sense him even blinded.

Jinton ends this fight
 

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Everyone is seeking fo Hashiramas DNA, it has a power that shortens the interval from Kotoamatsukami from 10 years to a few hours, hefought Madara in a landscape changing battle and created a valley. He controlled all Biju and created Konoha with his Mokuton, don't wory about his stamina.

During his battle with Madara he looked pretty worn out and bloodied up to me.

I'm not Doubting he has a pretty high amount of chakra, But since his stamina is featless, Just Guessing he can contantly Spam Large scale attacks with his chakra being divided up so many times (by clones)is a bit farfetched.

Oonoki cut off the small part of Mokuton Madara affected with fire, Hashirama can still accelerate the growth again. Helping each other while being outnumbered by Mokuton Bunshins doesn't seem really legit, too. The five Kage couldn't stand a chance against 25 Susanoo but Madara however was toying. I could give you a few examples, where Madarawould have crushed any of the Kage immediately but went the other way around.
Small?
Look at the size of Onki, then look as the Hole it made from just him firing it and this was from a battle worn Onki
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Jinton would obliterate any mokuton tech it comes into contact with.

You also seem to forget Gaara, He was defending agaist susanoo clones, While at the same time Helping the other kages. Same goes for Onoki.
Even if he was "Toying" they still we're able to survive long enough against 25 Susanoo clones



Hashirama is most likely a sensor, Hashirama and his clones can merge with the surroundings since low quality clones of himself can do this, too. Yamato as a mere Mokuton user can merge with the surroundings, too. It doesn't play a matter whether they go on distance or not. Hashirama and his clones can merge with the ground, disappear and suddenly appear behind any of them, or shoot a tendril from within the ground. You actually want to tell me, that it would be an eade for Oonoki and Gaara to go on distance, but it would actually be the other way around.

And please tell what are these "Low quality clones" you speak of xd.
Grounded Mokuton clones arn't going to Trouble Onoki/Gaara flying in the Air. especially with Gaara's auto defense and someone who had reaction speeds of A's levels.

only person this will work against it Mei

First, Hashirama will create a flower tree world and force them to fly. After this, he could accelerate the growth of the tendrils up to the sky and hit them on the ground, like Madara did it with his Susanoo. Obito proved it similar, when let huge tendrils grow to the sky. After doing this, the could be affected by the pollen of the flower tree world, like they were when Madara hit them on the floor. Subsequently he creates a bunch of Mokuton Bunshins and will hide himself in the surroundings. Hashirama can go on his fullest while Madara didn't. Each Kage will have to fight, let us say 3 Mokuton Bunshins. One Mokuton Bunshin will use the Bringer of Darkness and fight them with two other Bunshins. Well, Tsunade and Mei can try to go on distance, the original Hashirama will trvavel within the surroundings towards him and shoot out tendrils in order to crush them. As speed is only fast on a straight line, when hitting the target, his movements become transparently. Sasuke saw A's movements and used Blaze Releaze, Madara caught him with his Susanoo and used a Genjutsu. It's not much of a problem to cast a Genjutsu on him if he only needs to perform signs and cast it. Hashiramas abilities are by far superior to any Kage compared 1 on 1 and if they're outnumbered with clones who can use the originals abilities, they will in fact lose.

They already countered it and got rid of the spores once, I fail to see why they cannot do it again.

This would work it the kages stood still and did nothing to defend themselves, I'm sure the kages would allow themselves to bee caught bt tendrills shooting up and not react to them at all. I'm sure Gaara's automatic sand defense, A's raiton attacks wouldn't do anything to Break/Defend against them at all.

Also you do know Sasuke only followed A's speed in v1 not v2. And sasuke did not see him, The reason he put enton around susanoo was because he could track him and knew he was going to attack, So he put enton on susanoo as a precaution. Nothing more.
Sasuke is completely look the wrong way.
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Madara only caught him because he let his Guard down and was looking at tsunade
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As for A only moving fast in straight lines I lol'ed at this, Yet he was keeping up with Km naruto's level of speed while he was dodging side to side
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The Mokuton and his medical skills grant him more than enough possibilities to beat the Gokage and Madara said it well. Arrogance or not, Madara is intelligent and can acknowledge the opponents power, like he did it to the Gokage, but if he, who fought both the Gokage and Hashirama said, that Hashirama in fact is more powerful, than it's a fact and I don't see what there is to debate. Hashirama fought Madaras full power, he handled the Kyuubi and beat the perfect Susanoo.

Love the logic "Hashirama defeaed Kyuubi + madara so he beats X".

The fight between Madara and hashirama is currently unseen, We don't even know if he even used PS during that fight, Since we know controlling the kyuubi takes alot of chakra, So unless Madara is a chakra beast able to keep Susanoo up while using chakra to controll the kyuubi.

Hype and feat wise, they cannot stand up to him. All sites made Hashirama out to be the ultimate Shinobi, that's a fact and no false statements.

So because "sites" make hashirama out to be the "ultimate shinobi", that makes it fact?.
Please.
 

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The only ones capable of Solo'ing the gokage are Naruto, Madara (EMS or Edo), Obito (w/Jinchuriki's), and Edo Nagato

Hashi would lose
 

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Haters. Hashirama destroys them. kage cant go on distance.

the kage will stand before him. hashirama will use 30 mokuton bunshins. the manga proves that the 25 mokuton bunshins surrounded the kage, 5 bunshins for any kage, any kage was surrounded. at thi point they will lose. one bunshins uses bringer of darkness genjutsu. after this, hashirama destroys them.

seriously, hashirama with NO difficult.
 

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Haters. Hashirama destroys them. kage cant go on distance.

the kage will stand before him. hashirama will use 30 mokuton bunshins. the manga proves that the 25 mokuton bunshins surrounded the kage, 5 bunshins for any kage, any kage was surrounded. at thi point they will lose. one bunshins uses bringer of darkness genjutsu. after this, hashirama destroys them.

seriously, hashirama with NO difficult.

1. I'm not a hater, I'm a fangirl of every Senju.
2. 30 Mokuton bunshins? Are you kidding me? It would drastically weaken Hashirama if he makes 30 clones... And anyway, Mokuton Bunshin <<<<<<<< Susanoo Bunshin. It has no defence, the Kages could deal with them easily.
The Bringer of Darkness is countered by Tsunade and Katsuyu. They can protect the Kages from the genjutsu.

Hashirama can't destroy 5 Kage level shinobi no matter how hard he tries.
 

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1. I'm not a hater, I'm a fangirl of every Senju.
2. 30 Mokuton bunshins? Are you kidding me? It would drastically weaken Hashirama if he makes 30 clones... And anyway, Mokuton Bunshin <<<<<<<< Susanoo Bunshin. It has no defence, the Kages could deal with them easily.
The Bringer of Darkness is countered by Tsunade and Katsuyu. They can protect the Kages from the genjutsu.

Hashirama can't destroy 5 Kage level shinobi no matter how hard he tries.

Actually it could be possible for him to do that. Kabuto openly said that his power was so great that it was considered a fairy tale.

He built and forest and the Hidden Leaf Villiage with his power. He created a dragon to bind the 9 tails.

From what I have seen he would crush the Five Kages.
 
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im tired of people saying that hashirama cant even beat the people that he is canonically stated to be above. hashirama wins.
 
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Jinton can be countered by May Fly technique transporting Hashirama deep beneath the ground. Onoki is the only real threat and once Hashirama kills him, it is over for the kages.

Hashirama wins this.
 

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Hashirama wins like canonically stated.
 

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Tsunade's strength > Mokuton
Lava and acid > Mokuton
A's speed and strength > Mokuton
Jinton > Mokuton and flower worlds
Gaara's sand > Mokuton

By feats the 5 Kage wins mid diff.

Tsunade's strength>Mokuton? Daphuq. This has to be the most idiotic statement I have seen in a while on this base.
 
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