Gokage vs Edo Hashirama

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Location: Gokage vs Edo Madara

Distance: Same as their fight w/ Madara

Intel: Manga

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Edo Madara took a dump on the Gokage without needing PS.
Edo Hashirama took a dump on Edo Madara without needing Shinsuusenju.

It's pretty clear that Hashirama stomps hard.
 

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-Gaara can control more sand. That's all this cloak does for him.

-Mei's Ninjutsu will be larger and stronger. Strong enough to phase SM Mokujin and Shinsuusenju? Obviously not.

-Tsunade will punch harder. Unless you think she'll punch SS to pieces we can forget about this cloak being useful.

-Onoki benefits the most due to Jinton, but Jinton can be easily interrupted.

-Ay.....who knows if even gets faster? Lol.

Hashirama wins, with Onoki's Jinton being the only remote threat, just like it is normally.
 

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Hashirama still takes them down.
 

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-Gaara can control more sand. That's all this cloak does for him.

Im pretty sure he his binding/restrictions is even more superior then if he were to get regular cloak, yet alone bsm boost

-Mei's Ninjutsu will be larger and stronger. Strong enough to phase SM Mokujin and Shinsuusenju? Obviously not.

I guess, if you think Hashi is gonna jump the gun with his strongest Mokuton.

-Tsunade will punch harder. Unless you think she'll punch SS to pieces we can forget about this cloak being useful.

Cloak boost her seal, which can boost everyone else, such as Onoki?

-Onoki benefits the most due to Jinton, but Jinton can be easily interrupted.

How when he has Gaara and Ay's speed(backpack), as support, in fact the whole team to support.

-Ay.....who knows if even gets faster? Lol.

Of course: bsm>regular cloak in every way then he will get his boost. Added to the fact that Madara failed to reac to backpack Ay, a BSM boost for both is going to work much much better.
 

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Im pretty sure he his binding/restrictions is even more superior then if he were to get regular cloak, yet alone bsm boost

Probably, but enough to be a factor against SS or SM Mokujin? No.

I guess, if you think Hashi is gonna jump the gun with his strongest Mokuton.
Doesn't matter when he starts with it. As long as he gets the chance to use it, and none of these guys can take him out before that happens.

Cloak boost her seal, which can boost everyone else, such as Onoki?
And that's the issue. Will the boost be enough to take out SS?


How when he has Gaara and Ay's speed(backpack), as support, in fact the whole team to support.

Gaara is literally useless, same goes for the others when it comes to support to let him prep Jinton. If he's on SS, all he needs to do is hit him with SS. Moves as fast as Kurama's Bijuu Dama and has a wide AoE.

Of course: bsm>regular cloak in every way then he will get his boost. Added to the fact that Madara failed to reac to backpack Ay, a BSM boost for both is going to work much much better.

Yet we've never seen a cloak grant a massive boost in speed like it'd do to Ninjutsu.

And that isn't a BSM boost. It's only a BM boost. They have no Senjutsu Chakra.
 

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Probably, but enough to be a factor against SS or SM Mokujin? No.

Enough of a factor to use the combo that caught Edo Madara, before activating PS. Difference here is Hashirama needs to make hand signs.

Doesn't matter when he starts with it. As long as he gets the chance to use it, and none of these guys can take him out before that happens.

How so? backpack Ay caught Edo Madara off guard, so that goes for Hashirama, yet alone their power boost.

And that's the issue. Will the boost be enough to take out SS?

I dont see why not. Base Jinton, powered Tsunade covered range = Half the size of Meteor/PS. Rationalizing this, what would 3x boost of Jinton be, yet alone Tsunade boost cover. And what would a BM cloak boost cover in addition?


Gaara is literally useless, same goes for the others when it comes to support to let him prep Jinton. If he's on SS, all he needs to do is hit him with SS. Moves as fast as Kurama's Bijuu Dama and has a wide AoE.

Ok thats only assuming I implied that SS is already out, which I didn't.

Yet we've never seen a cloak grant a massive boost in speed like it'd do to Ninjutsu.

Not seeing it doesn't mean its not powered up. Unless you want me to conclude that cloaking Lee should have been pointless if he gain no physical boost, since he has no ninjutsu.

And that isn't a BSM boost. It's only a BM boost. They have no Senjutsu Chakra.

What made you conclude that? The gown is linked to BSM Naruto. When K11 enter PSKurama Naruto/Sasuke their chakra mixed with Naruto.
 

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Shinsuusenju tanks jinton tho.

Jinton cannot be tanked it literally vaporizes anything it touches ss is no exception especially since its mokuton jinton owns.

Gokage win edo hashirama cannot even use ss. Tsunade was able to make jinton near ps size chakra cloak >> Tsunade chakra thus a bigger jinton onoki 1 shots mokujin hashirama only chances of winning is sneaking up on onoki and killing him with mayfly but since he can fly gokage takes this

Also to that idiot kidgamer when naruto use kurama chakra his physical states increase speed strength so why wouldn't people he boost get physically better?
 
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