you're joking right?
BM is an enhanced version of kcm, all abilities get increased.
I hope your not equating the "artistic liberty" of Ei+Onoki disappearing from vision in combat against Madara to something like Base Gai blitzing genin.
Can you show me the scan that proves it was from madara's vision? cuz according to you since 8gate guy or Rsm naruto don't "disappear" when they attack they are slower than ay/onnoki
Base Gai being shown as imperceptible to genin isn't equivalent to Ei & Onoki being imperceptible to Madara. The level of the fight is higher. Base Gai "disappearing" in front of genin wouldn't mean that he would "disappear" against Madara.
you're using base guy as if thats the only example. But such an example existing proves that its an artistic liberty at play when stuff like that happen.
Naruto can erect appendages of Kurama in that state. I'm not sure where the idea of all physical stats increasing comes from.
Can you show me the scan that proves it was from madara's vision? cuz according to you since 8gate guy or Rsm naruto don't "disappear" when they attack they are slower than ay/onnoki
8th gate Gai's Evening elephant speed wasn't imperceptible to shinobi on Minato's level.
Six Paths Sage mode Naruto wasn't imperceptible to anyone as far as I remember.
you're using base guy as if thats the only example. But such an example existing proves that its an artistic liberty at play when stuff like that happen.
If they aren't disappearing from the vision of an opponent on at least Madara's level, then your comparisons are moot.
The point that the author is trying to get across when he shows someone disappearing completely against a foe on Madara's level is obvious. It's not just "another person disappearing".
That wasn't even madara's vision in the first place we see the back of his head so clearly that scan can't be in reference to his eye's
The point that the author is trying to get across when he shows someone disappearing completely against a foe on Madara's level is obvious. It's not just "another person disappearing".
He links his chakra with Kurama's own reserves. Him having a bigger chakra pool doesn't support his physical stats increasing proportionately. Nothing even slightly hints at BM Naruto being faster than KCM Naruto.
so you show me a scan of behind madara's head.. yet im supposed to believe thats madara's eyesight. Yeah fam kill yourself with that reach.
How is this comparable to what I mentioned? Naruto wasn't shown disappearing. There is no motion in manga panels.
This is what Naruto did
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Of course Kaguya and Black Zetsu perceived him. They just didn't physically act.
Presumably they were caught off-guard due to how suddenly Naruto attacked considering Naruto couldn't touch Kaguya prior.
That wasn't even madara's vision in the first place we see the back of his head so clearly that scan can't be in reference to his eye's
It's the back of her head, so that couldn't possibly be her perspective right?
Visually looking through another characters eyes has never happened in the entire manga except when a person is using a specific insight ability of their dojutsu.
Whenever the author wants to show a characters perspective, the back of the character or their face is shown with the scene that they are observing in front of them.
Assumption, it's impossible to draw the conclusion that him disappearing is in relation to madara's own abilities.
Like i said it was an artistic liberty to show "this character is fast" like we've seen from part 1 all the way up until now.
There is no artistic liberty. All I'm seeing is denial of the obvious. The author makes a scene showing Ei disappear right in front of Madara's eyes, yet somehow you're claiming that Madara was perceiving Ei perfectly.
Why would the author have to specifically show Madara's eyes to see his perspective? That doesn't even make any sense.
The author showed that Ei was fast by disappearing from Madara's vision.
Yup. that shit went straight to my sig lol.
I wonder if Minato could make as many clones as KCM Naruto could. I think KCM Naruto did 7-14 not sure on the number but it was over 5. I think that can make beating the kages easier. But not sure if he can use it with BM avatar tho.
He links his chakra with Kurama's own reserves. Him having a bigger chakra pool doesn't support his physical stats increasing proportionately. Nothing even slightly hints at BM Naruto being faster than KCM Naruto.
Exactly, so instead of using the small portion that he took for himself initially (i.e. what made him fast in the first place) he now has complete access to all of kurama's chakra. Logically that makes him faster.
It's showing us what happened from Madara's point of view. I would think that people would at least understand that much, but I guess not. 4
There's 0 motion in either panel. The naruto "reappears" in front of kaguya therefore according to you kaguya didn't see it.
This is what Naruto did
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Of course Kaguya and Black Zetsu perceived him. They just didn't physically act.
Presumably they were caught off-guard due to how suddenly Naruto attacked considering Naruto couldn't touch Kaguya prior.
Cuz by your logic Byakugo Sakura can't perceive/react to no sharingan kakashi since this caught her off guard here:
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Visually looking through another characters eyes has never happened in the entire manga except when a person is using a specific insight ability of their dojutsu.
Whenever the author wants to show a characters perspective, the back of the character or their face is shown with the scene that they are observing in front of them.
bruh please stop flip flopping on your argument, you already acknowledged that the bold can't be true
by bringing up gai
Here's the scan regardless:
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another example
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There is no artistic liberty. All I'm seeing is denial of the obvious. The author makes a scene showing Ei disappear right in front of Madara's eyes, yet somehow you're claiming that Madara was perceiving Ei perfectly.
he did it before. You're incorrectly assuming madara couldn't see him, unless marada himself comes out and says it, or at the very least 'hints' toward it there's 0 reason to reach that conclusion.
And it not like characters haven't done it before:
Didn't know that Naruto slapping away standard sized Bijuu Dama meant that Ay and Onoki could slap away Bijuu Sized or Bijuu dwarfing Bijuu Dama. :lol :lol
Exactly, so instead of using the small portion that he took for himself initially (i.e. what made him fast in the first place) he now has complete access to all of kurama's chakra. Logically that makes him faster.
Him being able to access all of Kurama's chakra is irrelevant. He isn't using all of Kurama's chakra for shunshin. He uses a very insignificant portion of it.
And there isn't any implication that BM Naruto's shunshin was any different from KCM Naruto's shunshin regardless, so the point is moot.
NO. That's not a representation of what madara's seeing.
As shown, Ei+Onoki is imperceptible to Madara. Gai's Evening elephant speed isn't imperceptible to Minato. Your idea of common sense is irrelevant when it isn't backed up by any evidence.
There's 0 motion in either panel. The naruto "reappears" in front of kaguya therefore according to you kaguya didn't see it.
Sakura's reaction time has nothing to do with my argument.
You said that since the panel showed the back of Madara's head, it was not his perspective. This was refuted and now you're claiming that my argument is false without any evidence.
That is a concession no matter how you slice it.
bruh please stop flip flopping on your argument, you already acknowledged that the bold can't be true
by bringing up gai
You didn't even properly comprehend my argument in the first place, so saying that I flip flopped is laughable. Post evidence or concede. Stop wasting my time.
And that isn't relevant since the author doesn't have to specifically show a characters eyes to show their perspective.
he did it before. You're incorrectly assuming madara couldn't see him, unless marada himself comes out and says it, or at the very least 'hints' toward it there's 0 reason to reach that conclusion.
So what? I know that characters have been called fast by other characters. That isn't a criteria for anything, otherwise people would be able to make the claim that Ei is faster than Naruto since Madara stated that Ei was fast but said nothing about Naruto even after seeing his shunshin.
2 Rasengans put down Oonoki same goes for Mei. Tsunade gets blitzed and ripped apart by chakra hands. Gaara gets blitzed with rasengans. Same thing goes for Ei.
2 Rasengans put down Oonoki same goes for Mei. Tsunade gets blitzed and ripped apart by chakra hands. Gaara gets blitzed with rasengans. Same thing goes for Ei.
