Gokage (fused into 1 character) vs Edo Itachi and Edo Nagato

[Rιver]

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It's not really a mad thought. Nagato was able to decimate Gokage even when separated. Not far fetched to say current gives that much boost.

Also, still no counter to chameleon lol.

 

[Beans2]

It's not really a mad thought. Nagato was able to decimate Gokage even when separated. Not far fetched to say current gives that much boost.

Also, still no counter to chameleon lol.

@Bold when did this happen?
Sand sensing counters chamaleon.

 

[Strict]

It's not really a mad thought. Nagato was able to decimate Gokage even when separated. Not far fetched to say current gives that much boost.

Also, still no counter to chameleon lol.

How did Nagato decimate the Gokage?
Let's analyse this fused Gokage. Sasukes Sharingan was able to follow Ei when he used his v1 Raiton armor. When he used his maximum speed, even the Sharingan wasn't able to predict his movements, thus, he even dodged Amaterasu. And if the Sharingan with the specific ability to predict movements, couldn't keep up with Ei, how a Rinnegan will that lacks the Sharingan's abilities as in Nagato's case? This fused character is actually by far faster, since Onoki has the ability to lighten Ei's body, in order to increase his speed.

And the counter to the chameleon would be Gaara's sand, which senses movements. Fused character also means Ei's body durability and protection with Raiton armor. Nagato could never react to this character. And even if he pushes him away with Shinra Tensei, latter would be unharmed due to his durability and then blitz him again.

Itachi would have a better chance here, since Tsukuyomi one shots due to eye contact, Susanoo grants permanent defense and Yata would neutralize Jinton due to the ability to change its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the attack. But he as well would get stomped by this fused version.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gokage fusion rapes them.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

What's up with the CT argument? The fusion simply needs to fire off a massive Jinton at it before it becomes too large, and unlike Naruto, Bee, and Itachi who had to use explosive attacks to get through the rock and destroy the center, Jinton from the fusion would easily delete anythig inside.

 

[Benjamin King]

What's up with the CT argument? The fusion simply needs to fire off a massive Jinton at it before it becomes too large, and unlike Naruto, Bee, and Itachi who had to use explosive attacks to get through the rock and destroy the center, Jinton would easily delete anythig inside.

That's assuming they have the intelligence to figure out the core, which they don't.

 

[TheEvilOne]

That's assuming they have the intelligence to figure out the core, which they don't.

With Tsunade's and Onoki's intelligence? Rofl. They can easily figure it out. Not to mention they have full intel, so your point is invalid.

 

[Benjamin King]

With Tsunade's and Onoki's intelligence? Rofl. They can easily figure it out. Not to mention they have full intel, so your point is invalid.

Boy, you're so mad, to even neg me on a basic point. In full Intel, Nagato will make use of his arsenal right.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Boy, you're so mad, to even neg me on a basic point. In full Intel, Nagato will make use of his arsenal right.

Doesn't matter what he is going to do, the Gokage can counter it.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

That's assuming they have the intelligence to figure out the core, which they don't.

Itachi was said to have the wisdom of a Kage around the age of 7

Itachi died around 21

21/7=3

Itachi=3X smarter than a Kage?

Fusion=5 Kage

Fusion=5X smarter than a Kage?
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While the above is probably meaningless, a fusion would probably mean that the knowledge and experience of the Gokage would be stored in one consciousness, yes? That would certainly exceed the brain capacity that Itachi has, and add in the combined feats of Ay, Ohnoki, Tsunade, Gaara, and Mei, they certainly should be able to deduce something as simple as the core being the source of the gravitational pull.

 

[Benjamin King]

Doesn't matter what he is going to do, the Gokage can counter it.

I'm waiting to see your argument of the Gokage's fusion counter.

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Itachi was said to have the wisdom of a Kage around the age of 7

Itachi died around 21

21/7=3

Itachi=3X smarter than a Kage?

Fusion=5 Kage

Fusion=5X smarter than a Kage?
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While the above is probably meaningless, a fusion would probably mean that the knowledge and experience of the Gokage would be stored in one consciousness, yes? That would certainly exceed the brain capacity that Itachi has, and add in the combined feats of Ay, Ohnoki, Tsunade, Gaara, and Mei, they certainly should be able to deduce something as simple as the core being the source of the gravitational pull.

What a flawed way of giving their intelligence. But I forgot the OP said they have full Intel.

 

[Rιver]

How did Nagato decimate the Gokage?
Let's analyse this fused Gokage. Sasukes Sharingan was able to follow Ei when he used his v1 Raiton armor. When he used his maximum speed, even the Sharingan wasn't able to predict his movements, thus, he even dodged Amaterasu. And if the Sharingan with the specific ability to predict movements, couldn't keep up with Ei, how a Rinnegan will that lacks the Sharingan's abilities as in Nagato's case? This fused character is actually by far faster, since Onoki has the ability to lighten Ei's body, in order to increase his speed.

And the counter to the chameleon would be Gaara's sand, which senses movements. Fused character also means Ei's body durability and protection with Raiton armor. Nagato could never react to this character. And even if he pushes him away with Shinra Tensei, latter would be unharmed due to his durability and then blitz him again.

Itachi would have a better chance here, since Tsukuyomi one shots due to eye contact, Susanoo grants permanent defense and Yata would neutralize Jinton due to the ability to change its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the attack. But he as well would get stomped by this fused version.

Comparing sensing to visual precognitive ability such as Sharingan is not a correct way to be exact. Visual precognition is dependant on how fast the user can utilize his body to track it's movements. As E showed moving behind a Sharingan user can prove to be fatal; however, sensors are able to sense everything around their vicinity. If Gokage were ever to close distance a simple Shinra Tensei destroys his/her body. Whether it hits or not also doesn't matter as the Raiton shroud gets absorbed and Nagato grabs him with Asura Path followed by Totsuka blitz.

What durability? Gaara, Onoki and Mei possess no durability at all. E possesses no notable durability to withstand such impact and Tsunade can only regenerate. Bunta who took on tailed beasts had his body turned to paste.

Fortunately there are both Nagato and Itachi.

Also to people who misinterpret my previous post, Nagato had the potential to decimate Gokage.

 

[Strict]

The toads got their bodies smashed because of their own mass pounding into the ground. Of course, the stronger the Shinra Tensei, the stronger the impact, up to a point it would smash Raikage's body as well. But Raikage's speed and reflexes make it difficult for Nagato to focus such a Shinra Tensei, limiting him to a defensive usage. So if Nagato reacts to Ei coming close, his Shinra Tensei will serve for defensive meanings, merely pushing him away from his distance.

Let's be serious here; This character will be way too fast for Nagato. It's not only Ei's maximum speed, but also Oonoki's technique which lightens his body and further increases his speed. Sasuke had the advantage of his Susanoo being a permanent defense, and more important, covering his Susanoo in the black flames, so he assumed that Ei would stop his attack, as he would sacrifice his own arm in the process of the attack. Nevertheless, Sasuke got stroke in the face.

Nagato may react and keep up with Ei alone, but never with one who is boosted by Oonoki's ability.

 

[Beans2]

Comparing sensing to visual precognitive ability such as Sharingan is not a correct way to be exact. Visual precognition is dependant on how fast the user can utilize his body to track it's movements. As E showed moving behind a Sharingan user can prove to be fatal; however, sensors are able to sense everything around their vicinity. If Gokage were ever to close distance a simple Shinra Tensei destroys his/her body. Whether it hits or not also doesn't matter as the Raiton shroud gets absorbed and Nagato grabs him with Asura Path followed by Totsuka blitz.

What durability? Gaara, Onoki and Mei possess no durability at all. E possesses no notable durability to withstand such impact and Tsunade can only regenerate. Bunta who took on tailed beasts had his body turned to paste.

Fortunately there are both Nagato and Itachi.

Also to people who misinterpret my previous post, Nagato had the potential to decimate Gokage.

Mu was a sensor and he still didn't sense or react to the Ay/Onoki's combo attack

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Sensing is really useful in that they can sense all around them but there is a limit, sometimes characters are just so fast that sensors can't keep up (Sasuke/Naruto example with Juubito also works). Gokage fusion is simply way too fast for even a sensor like Nagato to keep up.

This isn't including the fact that Gokage fusion can counter all of Deva's abilities through usage of Added-weight rock technique or lightened-weight rock technique to negate gravitational effects

 

[V h o]

lol that OP fusion.
Ay's speed plus lightened boulder.
Lightning armor + yin seal+sand defense
Jinton+hidden mist+acid mist

 

[Benjamin King]

Mu was a sensor and he still didn't sense or react to the Ay/Onoki's combo attack

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Sensing is really useful in that they can sense all around them but there is a limit, sometimes characters are just so fast that sensors can't keep up (Sasuke/Naruto example with Juubito also works). Gokage fusion is simply way too fast for even a sensor like Nagato to keep up.

This isn't including the fact that Gokage fusion can counter all of Deva's abilities through usage of Added-weight rock technique or lightened-weight rock technique to negate gravitational effects

First, Nagato's reflexes > Mu's. Second, he doesn't need to physically react; Preta Path can absorb the Chakra made on contact, and use as source of healing, Asura Path recreates any vital organ damage, Naraka Path heals him completely.

No, my friend, Onoki's light and heavy doesn't counter Deva Path. Deva Path functions through the use of gravity. For Onoki's Jutsu to actually work, it must have an enormous mass to create a gravitational force to counter Deva Path. It's all mentioned in Theory of Relativity.

 

[Beans2]

First, Nagato's reflexes > Mu's.

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

Second, he doesn't need to physically react; Preta Path can absorb the Chakra made on contact, and use as source of healing, Asura Path recreates any vital organ damage, Naraka Path heals him completely.

The weakness here is that Preta Path can only absorb chakra on contact. And the instant the Gokage's fist comes into contact with Nagato, he gets crushed by him and dies. Whereas Preta Path doesn't absorb chakra instantaneously. Asura Path can't even come close to repairing that type of damage (not sure exactly what you mean by Asura Path recreating vital organ damage since it's never done this.) Naraka Path requires Nagato to summon the King of Hell and go inside - something way too slow against an opponent faster than V2 Ay.

No, my friend, Onoki's light and heavy doesn't counter Deva Path. Deva Path functions through the use of gravity. For Onoki's Jutsu to actually work, it must have an enormous mass to create a gravitational force to counter Deva Path. It's all mentioned in Theory of Relativity.

One could argue that Bansho Tenin is inversely as strong as Shinra Tensei - so if ST can oneshot something as heavy as three boss toads, it's fair to say it can reel in something as heavy as three boss toads.

The same holds true with Onoki and his light and heavy techniques. If he can lighten something as heavy as a meteor or turtle island to the point where he can hold it when airborne, he can make something relatively light (like himself) as heavy as a meteor.

 

[Benjamin King]

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

-He could jump up to a high cliff and taking Hanzo (hence the Exclamation mark) by a surprise - [

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-Most of his feats can be seen by his 6 Paths of Pain overwhelming SM Jiraiya and keeping up with SM Naruto,
-He could jump and take Bee by a surprise at crippled state - [

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The weakness here is that Preta Path can only absorb chakra on contact. And the instant the Gokage's fist comes into contact with Nagato, he gets crushed by him and dies. Whereas Preta Path doesn't absorb chakra instantaneously. Asura Path can't even come close to repairing that type of damage (not sure exactly what you mean by Asura Path recreating vital organ damage since it's never done this.) Naraka Path requires Nagato to summon the King of Hell and go inside - something way too slow against an opponent faster than V2 Ay.

Wrong. There is no limit of absorption for Preta Path. [

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One could argue that Bansho Tenin is inversely as strong as Shinra Tensei - so if ST can oneshot something as heavy as three boss toads, it's fair to say it can reel in something as heavy as three boss toads.

The same holds true with Onoki and his light and heavy techniques. If he can lighten something as heavy as a meteor or turtle island to the point where he can hold it when airborne, he can make something relatively light (like himself) as heavy as a meteor.

Again, no. For Onoki's Jutsu to overpower the gravitational force of Deva Path, it will need to be at an extreme high mass. A powerful gravitational force can distort space-time (black holes). Saying Onoki can do such is nothing more than fallacy and ignorance.

 

[Beans2]

-He could jump up to a high cliff and taking Hanzo (hence the Exclamation mark) by a surprise - [

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-Most of his feats can be seen by his 6 Paths of Pain overwhelming SM Jiraiya and keeping up with SM Naruto,
-He could jump and take Bee by a surprise at crippled state - [

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None of those feats are really impressive at all and none of those attacks are nearly as fast as Ay/Onoki or even KCM Naruto (who Mu dodged)

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You have yet to prove Nagato is a better sensor than Mu, or prove Nagato can react to the Gokage fusion's speed.

Wrong. There is no limit of absorption for Preta Path. [

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I never said there was a limit for absorption, I said that Preta Path needs to come into contact with the Gokage character in order to absorb his chakra. And contact will be made, only it will be contact between Gokage's fist and Nagato's face; so his head will be punched off before Preta Path can fully absorb the raiton armour. Now that he's decapitated, Nagato gets sealed with a Grand Sand Mausoleum.

Nagato obviously didn't outright tank Bee's lariat, he remained intact because of edo regeneration.

Again, no. For Onoki's Jutsu to overpower the gravitational force of Deva Path, it will need to be at an extreme high mass. A powerful gravitational force can distort space-time (black holes). Saying Onoki can do such is nothing more than fallacy and ignorance.

Shinra Tensei doesn't have a limitless gravitational push, it can't push away extremely heavy or dense objects (6T Naruto withstood ST). If Onoki makes himself as heavy as a meteor then he will be too heavy for Nagato to push away with Shinra Tensei. Do you understand?

(PS: Please don't say I'm fallacious or ignorant. I came out to have a good time and I'm honestly feeling so attacked right now)

 

[Rιver]

The toads got their bodies smashed because of their own mass pounding into the ground. Of course, the stronger the Shinra Tensei, the stronger the impact, up to a point it would smash Raikage's body as well. But Raikage's speed and reflexes make it difficult for Nagato to focus such a Shinra Tensei, limiting him to a defensive usage. So if Nagato reacts to Ei coming close, his Shinra Tensei will serve for defensive meanings, merely pushing him away from his distance.

Let's be serious here; This character will be way too fast for Nagato. It's not only Ei's maximum speed, but also Oonoki's technique which lightens his body and further increases his speed. Sasuke had the advantage of his Susanoo being a permanent defense, and more important, covering his Susanoo in the black flames, so he assumed that Ei would stop his attack, as he would sacrifice his own arm in the process of the attack. Nevertheless, Sasuke got stroke in the face.

Nagato may react and keep up with Ei alone, but never with one who is boosted by Oonoki's ability.

There's nothing to focus on, no need for that. Nagato blows everything around his vicinity. So where he is doesn't matter as he's still affected.

That's not it. While it's true the mass played a big part, you failed to notice the distance Pein threw them to. They threw them out of the whole village. Gokage with regeneration or not takes at least a while until he recovers. By that time, Itachi has already greeted him with Totsuka, Amaterasu or Nagato with CT.

Doesn't really matter, if the Gokage hits Nagato he does what he did to B all over again.

Mu was a sensor and he still didn't sense or react to the Ay/Onoki's combo attack

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Sensing is really useful in that they can sense all around them but there is a limit, sometimes characters are just so fast that sensors can't keep up (Sasuke/Naruto example with Juubito also works). Gokage fusion is simply way too fast for even a sensor like Nagato to keep up.

This isn't including the fact that Gokage fusion can counter all of Deva's abilities through usage of Added-weight rock technique or lightened-weight rock technique to negate gravitational effects

No, Mū/Kabuto saw that attack perfectly but he underestimated the impact due to having an encounter before

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KM Naruto has one of the worst sensing feats in Naruto. He can't sense anything much and noted HM sensing to be significantly greater. Also, he did sense Obito's blitz to Hashirama and Tobirama before it happened. He was also keeping up with Obito mainly due to HM sensing.

Lightened? That won't help. The other though, renders Gokage open for Itachi's blitz.