All it takes is Goku SSJ4 or Vegeta SSJ4. Rildo was stronger than 3 super buus and goku had trained so hard Rildo was a push over in base. SSJG is strong and all, but SSJ4's multipliers are absolutely insane especially with base goku being at such a level. Baby vegeta was stronger than any ki he had felt and in SSJG he felt bills' ki only following chronological order that this comes right after Z, other wise we have a paradox because if you attempt to refute this you are saying Bills isn't canon. A common argument is that Bills and SSJG are above ki. Wrong, was never stated. Simple fallacious hyperbole. It was stated that someone with normal ki cannot sense a god's ki, and that the gods can sense every aspect of ki while normal people can only sense 1/3 while gods can sense the full portion. Gods aren't above ki at all, if this was so, angry SSJ2 vegeta (empowered by.. idk, ki?) would not have been able to harm him slightly.