[Suggestion] Give something we could work for, MOTIVATE US.
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Every once in a while we keep on seeing threads or complaints in this section on how narutobase is getting boring and how there is no more fun and members can’t have a good time anymore, I still believe that is not true, sure it might have declined a little in quality or fun sometimes but not as bad as you put it and not certainly not needing new revamps or introductions to be implemented. If you indeed have no talent as you claim, there are many more interesting things on narutobase which you can venture into that doesn’t require you to be “funny or know how to draw’ like I said earlier there is the role-play, there are the forum games, there are interesting topics both naruto and real life related which are being discussed in their own respective forums. If we are going by the majority of the member’s opinions, many of them still find this site interesting and spend several hours of their time on it, me included.
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If lets just say a new section opens up (just an example)
Than either you check it out or not, if you don't like it than it won't really effect you. Its not like we are saying change the layout of the website, just make it more fun
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I don't want to sit at home acting like a ninja on my laptop!just shut up and join the RP
lol
If one of my friends or family member found this out, I will be a clown for the rest of my life!
Anyways, IS anything getting done at all about this?!
HaterFtw,
I see where you are coming from even though the way you presented it may seem a little too blunt. From what I gathered you have deduced, through your own research, that this site has become a bit bland for your tastes. It is reasonable that you would want a solution by suggesting that something be done about it. I commend you on taking the first step in addressing a problem you believe that others are experiencing.
You are suggesting that a thread be made to collect ideas and have the popular idea be rewarded by the staff in some shape or fashion correct? However, like Scorps has mentioned in his own words, that is the entire point of this section. Not just to answer your questions (concerning the site) but to listen to ideas you may have that can improve the site. It would have been more wise to have included a solution in your opening statement so that we could all pitch in ideas and see what feedback we could get instead of just addressing a problem you feel to affect other users.
However, I don't know if you have researched enough to actually know what were the reasons some of those ideas you mentioned were dismissed or even considered. As an Administrator of a forum, especially a successful one like this, you have to consider what will help the site in terms of functionality and efficiency. Some ideas, if implemented, could cause one or more weaknesses in the system and put us at risk of viruses and/or hacking. Fortunately, some of our Admins like Zise, have experience and knowledge about coding and managing forums, that they know what will work and what won't. They keep this place safe so that every time we log in all we have to worry about is what to post and where. They do a great job but they are human as well. They can't possibly know everything there is out there and we aren't making it easier for them. In fact most approaches that I see on this section are done wrong and always lead to negative responses, both from members and staff.
All in all, if you want change you will have to do the work and present a solution. You want more contests? Then suggest what contests we can do. In my own opinion, this forum covers a lot of categories that introducing anything new is quite null and void since it already exists.
P.S. You should not underestimate the RP especially on here. For most people that take advantage of it, you increase your writing, vocabulary, and Critical Thinking Skills. A perfect example is my friend DRAGYZ. Just from RPing and discussing with me, he has improved his reading and writing that he is receiving higher and higher marks in school. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in Harvard or Yale. That is a long way from where he was when he started a while back.
I see where you are coming from even though the way you presented it may seem a little too blunt. From what I gathered you have deduced, through your own research, that this site has become a bit bland for your tastes. It is reasonable that you would want a solution by suggesting that something be done about it. I commend you on taking the first step in addressing a problem you believe that others are experiencing.
You are suggesting that a thread be made to collect ideas and have the popular idea be rewarded by the staff in some shape or fashion correct? However, like Scorps has mentioned in his own words, that is the entire point of this section. Not just to answer your questions (concerning the site) but to listen to ideas you may have that can improve the site. It would have been more wise to have included a solution in your opening statement so that we could all pitch in ideas and see what feedback we could get instead of just addressing a problem you feel to affect other users.
However, I don't know if you have researched enough to actually know what were the reasons some of those ideas you mentioned were dismissed or even considered. As an Administrator of a forum, especially a successful one like this, you have to consider what will help the site in terms of functionality and efficiency. Some ideas, if implemented, could cause one or more weaknesses in the system and put us at risk of viruses and/or hacking. Fortunately, some of our Admins like Zise, have experience and knowledge about coding and managing forums, that they know what will work and what won't. They keep this place safe so that every time we log in all we have to worry about is what to post and where. They do a great job but they are human as well. They can't possibly know everything there is out there and we aren't making it easier for them. In fact most approaches that I see on this section are done wrong and always lead to negative responses, both from members and staff.
All in all, if you want change you will have to do the work and present a solution. You want more contests? Then suggest what contests we can do. In my own opinion, this forum covers a lot of categories that introducing anything new is quite null and void since it already exists.
P.S. You should not underestimate the RP especially on here. For most people that take advantage of it, you increase your writing, vocabulary, and Critical Thinking Skills. A perfect example is my friend DRAGYZ. Just from RPing and discussing with me, he has improved his reading and writing that he is receiving higher and higher marks in school. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in Harvard or Yale. That is a long way from where he was when he started a while back.
You know I can summarize this thread very easily in one sentence, it pretty much comes down to you saying this: "Mods, do something, while I will sit here doing nothing."
That's it. With all due respect currently you are having nothing more than a big mouth you use to talk big, but your words have zero contents. You provide nothing concrete, you are being very unreasonable and even more vague than the existence of the Loch Ness monster. There is absolutely nothing you said that's useful, the situation before this thread was made is no different than after its creation, nothing has been said that was particularly new and nothing has been suggested to change something. This thread is completely hollow, void of anything and then you say stuff like "is anything getting done at all?"... done about what? You didn't say anything.
I really don't get where your positive attitude comes from "people are giving me reps, so they must agree with me', 'I've seen many mods browse my thread, so I think they also like it". You act like you did something revolutionary, something new, something never said or done and that you are being constructive...and then you push all the responsibilities on us while having provided squat that we could use. Sorry to act like a jerk, but I can give you on a note that all those people who repped you simply jumped on the bandwagon. If they already read the entire thread, they probably barely understood anything of it and/or didn't put much effort in thinking about it to contribute to the thread, they are what we call in my language 'yes nodders', people who simply say 'yes' and immediately get distracted by things like 'oooh, shiny thing'. Outside that there will also be people who just repped you because you are saying something 'bad' about NB. Not that they necessarily agree with you, but just because the act of saying is enough for them. That you were given rep for this thread is not even in the slightest a reason to assume that are doing something useful.
I'm not trying to be offensive here, but you really push everything on the mods while you do nothing, but act like somehow you are the driving force. You provide nothing concrete, nothing substantial and then expect we do something with it? That's an attitude only children and politicians have. Big, loud words, but in fact simply making everyone else do all the work and when it fails blaming those people for it and when it works run away with all the credit.
What did you now provide that we could use?
1) Agreement NB is boring? Utterly pointless. Even if every single person would agree to it, it would have no use.
2) We are ready 24/7 for new ideas, why the hell do we need to say it? You make it appear that posting ideas is forbidden even though we have a section for it and implementing ideas is as old as NB itself.
3) Big reward? We already give people who have been useful to NB awards sometimes. Not to mention the entire notion is very vague and also very wrong as it pretty much comes down to bribing. Apparently you are saying people have countless of 'big' ideas, but they don't post them because they don't get anything in return. If people have a good idea, nothing is lost by posting it. If people don't post them, it means people don't have them or don't want them to post and I doubt giving 'big rewards' will suddenly give rise to unexplored, big ideas.
4) We have an entire section for it.
5) Again we have an entire section for it where we already do that.
6) Extra money? What are we supposed to with extra money? Again extremely vague. Hollow words with no contents.
7) If someone had a good idea that was possible, we implemented it. You are saying nothing new, how else are we supposed to implement stuff? You make it sound that NB has been exactly the same since the day it was created 6 years ago, that no on posted ideas and that none were implemented.
8) If someone has been beneficial to NB, they already are given awards sometimes. There is something very wrong with the idea that by default you should be rewarded because you had a good idea as after all there are often more than one person involved and you're supposed to do it to help NB, not to get rewards.
I mean your entire comparison you started with about NB = company is so wrong, it's not even remotely correct. Members are working? The only people who work on NB are the sensei and the mods and what they do is volunteer work. NB is not a 'company', it's a 'hobby'. It's a platform to discuss stuff you want to discuss, people become member on their own initiative because they wanted to participate in these discussions, to RP or whatever. NB itself is the motivation, by its very definition a hobby is something you want to do because it seems fun and motivates you. I didn't came here to work, I came here because anime & manga are a hobby of mine and here I could discuss them. Even my mod work is a hobby as I want to do it. Your entire comparison is completely wrong, your perspective of how you are viewing NB is wrong. What kind of comment is something like 'typing for nothing is boring'? I mean what? That's the entire point of a forum, to discuss stuff you want to discuss without getting anything in particular in return. If you want that, go to work, NB isn't a company. I have been on other forums and with most of them there aren't any big differences in regards to the site providing 'motivations' to post. And no V doesn't get any money, the transactions of premium automatically go to the servers. It's not a big income, it's not an income at all.
I said it a lot of times before, but your entire thread did not provide a single useful concrete idea or suggestion and your entire system of how ideas should be implemented is common sense and has existed since NB was founded. You are teaching us how to walk while we already can walk, run, ride a bike, drive a car, fly a plane and destroy the Death Star with a T-65 X-wing starfighter of the rebellion and you act like it's something new.
If you want us to do something, give us something that we can do or better do something yourself instead of taking the easy way out and ditch everything on us. Your attitude towards the RP just showed where the real issue is. It's not just the mods doing nothing, but members with the attitude you just showed that are probably a for more bigger issue. The RP is more than just 'playing ninja'. Even though it's mainly Naruto oriented, you can nearly do any kind of RP to a certain degree and you can also just do regular stuff without actually playing a real role. Flaw once made a courthouse where he accused specific staff members of having colored names, where then people popped up as lawyers, defendants, witnesses etc. it was just for fun. Roku once made a history class thread to teach about the history of NB. It seems you barely bothered at all to understand the RP more thoroughly, but you expect of us something as unreasonable as doing 'something' while you provided nothing and then get agitated when it seems nothing is done while you don't bother with showing any real initiative yourself?
Let me say now something to you, turn 180° and instead of aiming at us, aim at the members. Go RP yourself, go to sections where you have never been before and try to get your friends with you or something. You expect us to do something, but you don't do anything yourself other than producing baked air and are worried for something idiotic as 'my family will think I'm a clown' as an excuse to not RP. If that's your attitude, then don't expect anything from us in regards to this thread. It works both ways, there's a limit to what we can do when people are going to have an attitude such as yours looking down on stuff like the RP while never have given it a real chance. When people have such an attitude, it's pointless for us to try anything as they're not even considering the possibilities, that's a step they need to take themselves, but many don't want to do it.
If you have a good idea, simply post it and if it's possible, we might consider it, but don't just produce hollow words and expect use to something in return, then you're a being unreasonable as what the hell are we supposed to do?
The contests section is almost completely at the top of the forum and most new contest submission & voting threads are posted in the forum news box on the main page. The RP sections are directly under all the Naruto discussion sections and they're quite difficult to miss considering it's not just one section. Then I'm not even mentioning all the RP links people have in their sigs and stuff like village banners, ranking bars and the link to the RP Guide that can be found on a few places.
At this point there isn't really much that we can do anymore. The problem is not so much that we don't make it clear, but that many members don't put any effort in searching because they limit their own activity to specific sections. No matter how much we advertise, if people automatically jump to the same sections, while they should be very well aware that NB has a large number of sections, then it will not change anything as they don't look at them either way. There should be some initiative from the members' side too you know.
Neither of these two are placed somewhere far deep away in the Base, they are in plain sight, none of these are particularly hard to find. The biggest issue lies with the attitude of some members that they don't even show the slightest intention of checking another section and that's beyond our power to change that.