[Discussion] Gin Ichimaru and Itachi Uchiha,Labelled Criminal by their own kind.

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These guys should always be respected as true heroes.

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One stopped a coup by killing his own clan.
Other one waited for years/decades/centuries 2 get his revenge on Aizen for what he did to his love(Rangiku).
{Although he failed there}

Both have to join criminal organisation in their respective verse.
Have to go through/watch numerous crimes.
For example: Itachi helped them with extracting tailed beast, Gin helped Aizen with his experiments thing.

Both of them keep collecting information.

Both of them died infront of their loved ones. Also died protecting them.

SO do u think their kind will ever knew that they were heroes???????????
 
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No one was aware that Gin was actually a good guy.
 

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it's always sad when you think about them T-T :T_T:
 

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yo respect for true heroes..
 

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Lelouch and Trenous(or something, He killed his own brother and father to protect the world and then no one saw what sacrifice he did for them, then everyone starts calling him a monster what a bs) I dont watch bleach so i dont give a fck
 

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Who thought Itachi was good either ?

To think they would go through all this to save their loved ones is pretty sad and badass.

The difference is a group of people were aware that Itachi was a a good guy.
 

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Hmm gotta agree. . they both were good guys in the end but pretended to be bad. .nic find bro +thanks *_*
 

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Gin Ichimaru?

The guy who failed drastically? Don't you dare compare him to Itachi.
 

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Gin Ichimaru?

The guy who failed drastically? Don't you dare compare him to Itachi.

no Gin was also a hero.he failed bcus Aizen was 2 much even for Head Captain 2 handle.
Ichigo lost his power 2 beat Aizen.Yet Aizen is alive.

Whereas Itachi never tried 2 solo Obito or Nagato.Yet he beat Kabuto.
So both of them deserve d title of hero in their own verse.
 

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no Gin was also a hero.he failed bcus Aizen was 2 much even for Head Captain 2 handle.
Ichigo lost his power 2 beat Aizen.Yet Aizen is alive.

Whereas Itachi never tried 2 solo Obito or Nagato.Yet he beat Kabuto.
So both of them deserve d title of hero in their own verse.

I believe Ikkaku said in Bleach ''Those who do not risk their lives for you, are not worthy of your life''.

Gin assissted in many killings and carrying on Aizen's plan. He was sure that he could solo Aizen, otherwise he wouldn't had knocked people down who could've assisted him.

He didn't do good research on Hogyoku. He was too naive when he thought he could kill Aizen with just that.

Itachi again killed is clan to avoid war. Gave good information based on Akatsuki to Konoha. Gained Sasuke power. Defeated Kabuto perfectly and stopped the Edo Tensei. Avoided useless blood, except when he would've been suspicious.

Itachi has done a lot more than Gin. He even killed people when dead. If he wasn't alive, everybody would've been dead right now.
 

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I believe Ikkaku said in Bleach ''Those who do not risk their lives for you, are not worthy of your life''.

Gin assissted in many killings and carrying on Aizen's plan. He was sure that he could solo Aizen, otherwise he wouldn't had knocked people down who could've assisted him.

He didn't do good research on Hogyoku. He was too naive when he thought he could kill Aizen with just that.

Itachi again killed is clan to avoid war. Gave good information based on Akatsuki to Konoha. Gained Sasuke power. Defeated Kabuto perfectly and stopped the Edo Tensei. Avoided useless blood, except when he would've been suspicious.

Itachi has done a lot more than Gin. He even killed people when dead. If he wasn't alive, everybody would've been dead right now.

yep I agreed.Gin became over confident after learning about Aizen's Zanpakto ability.he never calculated hogyoku's power.as he must have thought that his blade will be enough 2 pierce aizen's heart if he can beat his Zanpakto abilities.
but whatever he did was actually 2 get intel about Aizen's power.
Itachi on d other hand never stopped Obito,Nagato.he can but he never did.yes he stopped kabuto but he should have stopped Nagato(who wants 2 destroy konoha) first.
Moreover kishi had 2 bring him back 2 stop Kabuto.
Tite never brought Gin back and never gave him any asspull powerups.
so yes they both have some flaws,but inside of their heart they know they were fighting against bad guys.
 

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Itachi again killed is clan to avoid war.
said war could have happened anyway. the other nations never needed an excuse to invade
Gave good information based on Akatsuki to Konoha
no he iddnt. he told them nothing at all. not even a little bit. which resulted in a devastating attack and jiraiyas death
Defeated Kabuto perfectly and stopped the Edo Tensei
was defeated by kabuto twice and had to be saved by his brother. and stopped only chiyo and kimmaro who didnt do shit in the war and thus were no threat anyway.
Avoided useless blood, except when he would've been suspicious.
wrong. he started a world war indirectly, caused orochimarus devastating invasion, and tried to kill innocent people for no reason.
If he wasn't alive, everybody would've been dead right now.
if ihe wasnt alvie the war wouldnt have happened and obito would have been stopped. without him they would have sent a proper competant spy to find out about akatuski and kill off its members via traps. itachi killed thousands of peopel via being a selfish fool.
Yet he beat Kabuto.
So both of them deserve d title of hero in their own verse.
itahci is one of the worst most evil villains in naruto and his actions caused devastating war and mass murder, as well as tortured innocent children for no reason other than his sick pleasure. hes the most opposite of hero anyone could possibly get. and no he didnt beat kabuto. sauske did. itachi was mind controlled at the time.

Hmm gotta agree. . they both were good guys in the end but pretended to be bad
nothing was pretend about it. they were utter murderous monsters. itachi brutally and savagely tortured and minreaped a screaming helpless 7 year old child and tore him apart psychologically while slowly corrupting him and trying to trick him into murdering people. this is the most evil act of depravity in the manga and makes him irredeemable as a person. also itachi caused a mass world war and did nothing about the threat when he was right there listening to how his akatuski comrades were going to do so. he also did nothing about orochimaru which led to half of konoha dying.
gin is a sadistic unrepentant torturing monster.
No one was aware that Gin was actually a good guy.
gin is a murderous evil monster. he mindraped rukia, cut hiryori in half and killed god knows how many just to earn aiezens trust. just to avenge the soulrape of ONE PERSON. hes as bad and obsessive as obito and more of a villain than obito is. doing horrible shit for revenge doesnt mean said revenge is justified.
To think they would go through all this to save their loved ones is pretty sad and badass.
itachi brutally tortured sasuke to insanity, and murdered all of his other loved ones

Both of them keep collecting information.
you forget that both selfishly kept all that intel to themselves rather than trying to help people.

Both of them died infront of their loved ones. Also died protecting them.
itachi tortured sauske to madness and if sasuke wasnt murdered by his former comrades for his crimes then he would have been brainwashed by shisuis eye and enslaved against his will, permanently.
rangiku was perfectly sane, and ok with her past. she never wanted anyone to go and kill people in her name. gin basicaly shitted on her wishes and will. his only motivation was petty revenge, not protection
 
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said war could have happened anyway. the other nations never needed an excuse to invade
no he iddnt. he told them nothing at all. not even a little bit. which resulted in a devastating attack and jiraiyas death

was defeated by kabuto twice and had to be saved by his brother. and stopped only chiyo and kimmaro who didnt do shit in the war and thus were no threat anyway.

wrong. he started a world war indirectly, caused orochimarus devastating invasion, and tried to kill innocent people for no reason.

if ihe wasnt alvie the war wouldnt have happened and obito would have been stopped. without him they would have sent a proper competant spy to find out about akatuski and kill off its members via traps. itachi killed thousands of peopel via being a selfish fool.

itahci is one of the worst most evil villains in naruto and his actions caused devastating war and mass murder, as well as tortured innocent children for no reason other than his sick pleasure. hes the most opposite of hero anyone could possibly get. and no he didnt beat kabuto. sauske did. itachi was mind controlled at the time.


nothing was pretend about it. they were utter murderous monsters. itachi brutally and savagely tortured and minreaped a screaming helpless 7 year old child and tore him apart psychologically while slowly corrupting him and trying to trick him into murdering people. this is the most evil act of depravity in the manga and makes him irredeemable as a person. also itachi caused a mass world war and did nothing about the threat when he was right there listening to how his akatuski comrades were going to do so. he also did nothing about orochimaru which led to half of konoha dying.
gin is a sadistic unrepentant torturing monster.

gin is a murderous evil monster. he mindraped rukia, cut hiryori in half and killed god knows how many just to earn aiezens trust. just to avenge the soulrape of ONE PERSON. hes as bad and obsessive as obito and more of a villain than obito is. doing horrible shit for revenge doesnt mean said revenge is justified.

itachi brutally tortured sasuke to insanity, and murdered all of his other loved ones


you forget that both selfishly kept all that intel to themselves rather than trying to help people.


itachi tortured sauske to madness and if sasuke wasnt murdered by his former comrades for his crimes then he would have been brainwashed by shisuis eye and enslaved against his will, permanently.
rangiku was perfectly sane, and ok with her past. she never wanted anyone to go and kill people in her name. gin basicaly shitted on her wishes and will. his only motivation was petty revenge, not protection

I can understand your point, but I disagree. Gin only killed those who had to be killed and it's the same case with Itachi. Itachi only put those thoughts into Sasuke's head because he wanted Sasuke to avenge the Uchiha's name by killing him and he could return back to Konoha as a hero which would have worked had Obito not intervened.
 
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