Ghost Hagoromo Stronger than Revived Madara?

[Devauzamaki]

As we know together naruto and sasuke could defeat Juubi Madara.

All hagaromo gave them was Yin and yang seals.

Those seals had quite the chakra in them too considering it takes a buttload of chakra to use normal CT yet alone a moon size one.

So Ghost Hagaromo

gave out Yin and Yang seals

Summon all 9 bijuu at once even though it takes alot of chakra to summon anything normal(Toads,snakes,etc) yet alone a chakra beast.

and summoned all previous gokage from the after life

reverse summoned everyone from kaguyas dimension despite not having any contract with them.

Not to mention undid Edo tensei even though he never seen it before.

Then his seals came back to him.


How can a Ghost have that much energy and chakra???

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Because it's Lord Hagoromo, not even Hamura had such feats :Sparks:. This just soeaks volumes to how powerful he was when he was alive

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Ty and Hagoromo > Your favorite

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

As we know together naruto and sasuke could defeat Juubi Madara.

All hagaromo gave them was Yin and yang seals.

Those seals had quite the chakra in them too considering it takes a buttload of chakra to use normal CT yet alone a moon size one.

So Ghost Hagaromo

gave out Yin and Yang seals

Summon all 9 bijuu at once even though it takes alot of chakra to summon anything normal(Toads,snakes,etc) yet alone a chakra beast.

and summoned all previous gokage from the after life

reverse summoned everyone from kaguyas dimension despite not having any contract with them.

Not to mention undid Edo tensei even though he never seen it before.

Then his seals came back to him.


How can a Ghost have that much energy and chakra???

what do you meant by undid edo tensei

 

[SenseiSama]

I believe those seals were made by Hamura because they amplified abilities without granting a new chakra mode like CS or SM. Hyugas were stated to be able to increase the chakra flow within their bodies similar to Gate users who can amplify their power without chakra modes. And if you notice the seals also seal Kaguya's dojutsu away and Hyuga were shown capable of sealing dojutsu as well.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

what do you meant by undid edo tensei

He's probably referring to when he sent the kage back to the pure land and hashirama and company went back to their youthful selves when they were alive (hence what happens when edo tensei is undone) then they get sent to the pure land.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

I believe those seals were made by Hamura because they amplified abilities without granting a new chakra mode like CS or SM. Hyugas were stated to be able to increase the chakra flow within their bodies similar to Gate users who can amplify their power without chakra modes. And if you notice the seals also seal Kaguya's dojutsu away and Hyuga were shown capable of sealing dojutsu as well.

Wait? Since when are Hyuga capable of sealing dojutsu?

 

[SenseiSama]

Wait? Since when are Hyuga capable of sealing dojutsu?

They do it to their own clan members to prevent other people from gaining the secrets of the Byakugan. Similar to how Uzumaki got their sealing feats from Hagoromo, Hyuga would have gotten theirs from Hamura.

 

[Madaras Arm]

Unrestricted JJ3Eyed Madara solos Naruto and Sasuke.

Use IT> Sasuke & Naruto have to hide under Susano'o > Madara breaks the Susano'o with Juubidama > Naruto get's exposed to the light > Naruto is out > Sasuke gets destroyed 1v1 3 Eyed JJ Madara > GG

 

[Angelic.]

He had help from the hokage

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

They do it to their own clan members to prevent other people from gaining the secrets of the Byakugan. Similar to how Uzumaki got their sealing feats from Hagoromo, Hyuga would have gotten theirs from Hamura.

But that could go to any clan. Sealing wouldn't be exclusive to Hyuga's only, not sure about the sealing from Hamura though. Since Hamura prettt much stayed on the moon with his fellow ootsutsuchi and from the looks of it neither ootsutsuchi nor hyuga remained in contact. Just seems like a bit of a stretch, also in a Kaguya flashback young hagoromo was displayed with a sun seal. I'm almost positive that Hamura who is a portion of Kaguya's strength did not make by himself a seal powerful enough to seal away his mother for good, at least not by himself

 

[Devauzamaki]

Unrestricted JJ3Eyed Madara solos Naruto and Sasuke.

Use IT> Sasuke & Naruto have to hide under Susano'o > Madara breaks the Susano'o with Juubidama > Naruto get's exposed to the light > Naruto is out > Sasuke gets destroyed 1v1 3 Eyed JJ Madara > GG

You do know the light only last a few seconds right??

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Unrestricted JJ3Eyed Madara solos Naruto and Sasuke.

Use IT> Sasuke & Naruto have to hide under Susano'o > Madara breaks the Susano'o with Juubidama > Naruto get's exposed to the light > Naruto is out > Sasuke gets destroyed 1v1 3 Eyed JJ Madara > GG

Are you memeber that once used Madara legs account ?.

Also dont forget that caster of IT as confirmed by Hagoromo himself has all IT victims chakra at his disposal.Put as much chakra as it can stand into PS and stomp them.

 

[Madaras Arm]

You do know the light only last a few seconds right??

Lmao no, the light lasted for a good minute, even so, Madara breaks it real quick.

Are you memeber that once used Madara legs account ?.

Also dont forget that caster of IT as confirmed by Hagoromo himself has all IT victims chakra at his disposal.Put as much chakra as it can stand into PS and stomp them.

No, that guy was a friend of mine irl.

Ya, tbh Madara solos.

 

[SenseiSama]

But that could go to any clan. Sealing wouldn't be exclusive to Hyuga's only, not sure about the sealing from Hamura though. Since Hamura prettt much stayed on the moon with his fellow ootsutsuchi and from the looks of it neither ootsutsuchi nor hyuga remained in contact. Just seems like a bit of a stretch, also in a Kaguya flashback young hagoromo was displayed with a sun seal. I'm almost positive that Hamura who is a portion of Kaguya's strength did not make by himself a seal powerful enough to seal away his mother for good, at least not by himself

He stayed on the moon after the Kaguya fight, before that he was on Earth and fighting alongside Hagoromo. The fact Hagoromo believed in co-operation would suggest he relied on Hamura's power to defeat his mother, they were equals after all (Yin = Yang).

Hamura could have contributed to the fight by developing the Yin and Yang seals which grant the ability to seal away dojutsu and increase the chakra flow of the user (only Hyuga have both feats).

The ability to make a seal that can seal dojutsu would require the ability to understand how chakra and pressure points work since eyes are part of the chakra gates. The Byakugan grants the highest form of insight and the ability to manipulate the tenketsu, therefore Hamura would have had the talent to develop a seal that can seal away Kaguya's eye.

The Hyuga's ability to develop a seal that can perform the same feat on a smaller scale would have been possible if they had knowledge of their ancestor developing one, similar to how Uzumaki would have gotten the knowledge to develop the Jinchuuriki seal from being the descendant of the first Jinchuuriki.

And just because anyone outside a bloodline can use a seal does not mean anyone outside the bloodline has the talent to create that said seal. No one has ever been able to replicate the Uzumki's Jinchuuriki seal or make a better one besides Naruto and the Sage, likewise no one besides Hyuga has ever been able to develop a seal that seals away dojutsu.

Talent is just as important as knowledge when creating a seal, the Byakugan user's talent would have been required to find a way to permanently block chakra just as how the talent of a person's body would have given a way to develop a seal to become the bijuu's host.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Hagoromo's just that powerful, ghosts shouldn't have that much less chakra than their alive selves.

 

[ninjarasengan]

He stayed on the moon after the Kaguya fight, before that he was on Earth and fighting alongside Hagoromo. The fact Hagoromo believed in co-operation would suggest he relied on Hamura's power to defeat his mother, they were equals after all (Yin = Yang).

Hamura could have contributed to the fight by developing the Yin and Yang seals which grant the ability to seal away dojutsu and increase the chakra flow of the user (only Hyuga have both feats).

The ability to make a seal that can seal dojutsu would require the ability to understand how chakra and pressure points work since eyes are part of the chakra gates. The Byakugan grants the highest form of insight and the ability to manipulate the tenketsu, therefore Hamura would have had the talent to develop a seal that can seal away Kaguya's eye.

The Hyuga's ability to develop a seal that can perform the same feat on a smaller scale would have been possible if they had knowledge of their ancestor developing one, similar to how Uzumaki would have gotten the knowledge to develop the Jinchuuriki seal from being the descendant of the first Jinchuuriki.

And just because anyone outside a bloodline can use a seal does not mean anyone outside the bloodline has the talent to create that said seal. No one has ever been able to replicate the Uzumki's Jinchuuriki seal or make a better one besides Naruto and the Sage, likewise no one besides Hyuga has ever been able to develop a seal that seals away dojutsu.

Talent is just as important as knowledge when creating a seal, the Byakugan user's talent would have been required to find a way to permanently block chakra just as how the talent of a person's body would have given a way to develop a seal to become the bijuu's host.

or they could've been Hagoromo's seals from the beginning and he just lent one to Hamura for the Rikudou Chibaku Tensei

would explain why he has both even though he died before his brother.