Yeah, but what good are resources if the Immigrants themselves are not willing to intergrate with their new lifestyle.
Have you seen some of the videos on youtube in places such as; France and Hungary - where some very kind volunteers were willing to send food and water to the refugees.....but the refugees declined the food by throwing them back cos "It didn't meet up their standards" smh. Most of them seem to be horrible Ingrates....constantly demanding and not willing to give back.
Look at what's also happening to Sweden because of mass immigration. Most of the immigrants are unemployed and not willing to work, yet the country kept pouring more of them in. Now the politicians are thinking of acquiring a country loan to cover the costs of immigrants while crime-rates and unemployment continue to rise. The Swedish politicians want to destroy Sweden, I swear......Germany will follow the same trend if this keeps up.
Have you seen the videos from places like Hungary where huge groups of interned and hungry refugees fight for scraps of food that the police throw to them while laughing at their desperation?
And we've had this integration-debate so many times before. Sceptics said the exact same things that they're saying now when Yugoslavia fell. We don't have enough room, not enough resources, they're not willing to integrate, etc.
But they did. Here in Denmark anyway.
Most of the, huh? How many refugees have you met? Sure, there are bad apples among them, but you'll excuse me if I don't generalize as you do. I've heard the whole "they're ungrateful"-spiel so many times before and it's equally stupid every time I hear it. Of course these people will demand better food and housing, even if the quarters they have in Europe are better than what they had in Syria. If I live in a mansion and put you in a small flat; you'll complain no matter what you lived in before. It's wholly natural.
But even so; most refugees don't complain. They sit down and take the beating because they're running from war, and they'll take what they can get for themselves and their families.
Not trying to nitpick the only thing I can find to ***** about, as People often do to me..But the claim that Europe's nature is xenophobic and racist is utter nonsense. Your posts, as always, are like a fresh breeze of intellectual competence, I just wanted To point that one thing out before the simpletons decide To ride on that part.
I did not want to exclude Europe from rest of the World, i believe issue is ubiquitous in many parts of World. But the matter was Europe and people's reactions and the history of Europe made Europe what it is today; with the good and the bad. Third reich was less than a hundred years ago and it had a remaning impact which effects what people are today . The nazi regime had basis of former forms xenophobia and racism such as anti-semitism and anti-Roma which have long history. I know nazism is not whole deal of European history but past effects current timeline.
What i meant by "xenophobic nature" is this historical inheritance. Maybe i should not have use the word "nature" as i do not belive these traits are plain natural and can not be changed.
Have you seen the videos from places like Hungary where huge groups of interned and hungry refugees fight for scraps of food that the police throw to them while laughing at their desperation?
And we've had this integration-debate so many times before. Sceptics said the exact same things that they're saying now when Yugoslavia fell. We don't have enough room, not enough resources, they're not willing to integrate, etc.
But they did. Here in Denmark anyway.
Most of the, huh? How many refugees have you met? Sure, there are bad apples among them, but you'll excuse me if I don't generalize as you do. I've heard the whole "they're ungrateful"-spiel so many times before and it's equally stupid every time I hear it. Of course these people will demand better food and housing, even if the quarters they have in Europe are better than what they had in Syria. If I live in a mansion and put you in a small flat; you'll complain no matter what you lived in before. It's wholly natural.
But even so; most refugees don't complain. They sit down and take the beating because they're running from war, and they'll take what they can get for themselves and their families.
I worked in charity center open to everyone in need. We helped both locals and Syrians who fled war, asides from language barrier i had little problem with people. They were kind and thankful in their behaviour. People like circulating same videos over and over but that is a minimal part of whole group of people. This is a key point of history similar to WW2 or Yugoslav wars, i do not want someone who will born 100 years later and look back and think how rest of the World closed their doors to people and let them die.
Have you seen the videos from places like Hungary where huge groups of interned and hungry refugees fight for scraps of food that the police throw to them while laughing at their desperation?
And we've had this integration-debate so many times before. Sceptics said the exact same things that they're saying now when Yugoslavia fell. We don't have enough room, not enough resources, they're not willing to integrate, etc.
But they did. Here in Denmark anyway.
Most of the, huh? How many refugees have you met? Sure, there are bad apples among them, but you'll excuse me if I don't generalize as you do. I've heard the whole "they're ungrateful"-spiel so many times before and it's equally stupid every time I hear it. Of course these people will demand better food and housing, even if the quarters they have in Europe are better than what they had in Syria. If I live in a mansion and put you in a small flat; you'll complain no matter what you lived in before. It's wholly natural.
But even so; most refugees don't complain. They sit down and take the beating because they're running from war, and they'll take what they can get for themselves and their families.
I suppose Denmark has been on the safer side of the immigration troubles then
Haven't seen those videos....But I've seen more videos of refugees declining food because its not "Halal" or "not good enough".
Apparently reported, that there's quite a large number of immigrants that aren't from places of war like, Syria, Iraqs etc and have come from various parts of North Africa and the Middle East just to seek refuge in the UK / Germany which they view as the "promise lands".
From what it seems, Many migrants from close countries, near the countries of conflict, have used the mass immigration plans to get access into Europe.
The migrants (at the very least) that should definitely be supported are Syrians, Iraqs & Libyans, however, the numbers seem to extend greater than those.
Have you seen the videos from places like Hungary where huge groups of interned and hungry refugees fight for scraps of food that the police throw to them while laughing at their desperation?
And we've had this integration-debate so many times before. Sceptics said the exact same things that they're saying now when Yugoslavia fell. We don't have enough room, not enough resources, they're not willing to integrate, etc.
But they did. Here in Denmark anyway.
Most of the, huh? How many refugees have you met? Sure, there are bad apples among them, but you'll excuse me if I don't generalize as you do. I've heard the whole "they're ungrateful"-spiel so many times before and it's equally stupid every time I hear it. Of course these people will demand better food and housing, even if the quarters they have in Europe are better than what they had in Syria. If I live in a mansion and put you in a small flat; you'll complain no matter what you lived in before. It's wholly natural.
But even so; most refugees don't complain. They sit down and take the beating because they're running from war, and they'll take what they can get for themselves and their families.
What you described in Hungary was a total different situation to that of the usual refugees: Here's an example from Finland:
Refugees protesting about the quality of food (which btw is the same as we offer in our schools and to our conscript soldiers in service):
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From the same protest:
Elsewhere:
What you say about complaining about housing and food being natural is true in some aspect. However it should tell you that when these refugees do that, they are not escaping from war. If they were, they would be grateful to even have food and shelter in the first place. It just shows that they are not actual refugees, but just looking for handouts. In fact only 1/5 refugees arriving Europe are from Syria.
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Integration has failed in Norway, Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Switzerland and in Holland.
-Merkel says German multicultural society has failed:
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- Thilo Sarrazin, a senior official at Germany's central bank, said that "no immigrant group other than Muslims is so strongly connected with claims on the welfare state and crime".
Britain loses money on muslims because they don't work like the immigrants from inside of EU. "Migrants from outside the EU have taken £120billion more from the state than they paid in taxes over 17 years"
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Here you can find what are the affects of immigration on crime statistics:
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Throughout Europe muslims do 2-4 times more violent crimes and 4-20 times more sexual crimes than the natives.
What it says about Denmark: "A report by Statistics Denmark published in 2014 found that among the males between 20 and 24, the children of non-Western immigrants had a crime rate 2.6 times greater than those of native Danes: they were more than twice as likely to be convicted of a violent crime than citizens of Danish origin.[citation needed] Also, even after for controlling for age and socioeconomic status, persons whose ethnic background is from Morocco, Somalia, Lebanon, Pakistan and Iraq commit crimes 1.5 to 2.5 more often than average."
So your crime statistics have already been affected by it.
You're basically just justifying the problems that migrates create by blaming the system. When it's clear that most of them aren't real refugees in the first place.
Oh, don't forget about the self-segregated regions with France and Sweden by Muslim Migrants.
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These people aren't interested in Intergration. What they want is reform of the Countries they now settle in that caters to their lifestyle and their lifestyle ONLY.
I did not want to exclude Europe from rest of the World, i believe issue is ubiquitous in many parts of World. But the matter was Europe and people's reactions and the history of Europe made Europe what it is today; with the good and the bad. Third reich was less than a hundred years ago and it had a remaning impact which effects what people are today . The nazi regime had basis of former forms xenophobia and racism such as anti-semitism and anti-Roma which have long history. I know nazism is not whole deal of European history but past effects current timeline.
What i meant by "xenophobic nature" is this historical inheritance. Maybe i should not have use the word "nature" as i do not belive these traits are plain natural and can not be changed.
I worked in charity center open to everyone in need. We helped both locals and Syrians who fled war, asides from language barrier i had little problem with people. They were kind and thankful in their behaviour. People like circulating same videos over and over but that is a minimal part of whole group of people. This is a key point of history similar to WW2 or Yugoslav wars, i do not want someone who will born 100 years later and look back and think how rest of the World closed their doors to people and let them die.
Nazism is roman fascism. Hitler's reign does play a part in the history of Europe, but not it's culture. Most white Europeans detest and avoid skinheads anyways. The video's that circulate on the net depicting refugees in a bad light are actually the minimal part of all the misery those welfare leeches cause in Europe. If anything, the media works in favour of these immigrants and even censors anti-immigrant posts on facebook. Our governments completely disregard the wishes of the natives, thus the riots, and openly call anyone that is against the refugees a racist or xenophobe.
Anywho, the white natives have no problem whatsoever with war refugees. They do have a problem with 72% of the war refugees bein Young muslim Men that stare at our women, demand free money and housing, walking around with iphones and not even being Syrian.
Nazism is roman fascism. Hitler's reign does play a part in the history of Europe, but not it's culture. Most white Europeans detest and avoid skinheads anyways. The video's that circulate on the net depicting refugees in a bad light are actually the minimal part of all the misery those welfare leeches cause in Europe. If anything, the media works in favour of these immigrants and even censors anti-immigrant posts on facebook. Our governments completely disregard the wishes of the natives, thus the riots, and openly call anyone that is against the refugees a racist or xenophobe.
Anywho, the white natives have no problem whatsoever with war refugees. They do have a problem with 72% of the war refugees bein Young muslim Men that stare at our women, demand free money and housing, walking around with iphones and not even being Syrian.
I've never understood this 'iPhone-argument.' Having a smartphone is an absolutely essential tool for refugees. GPS shows you the way, there are websites for coordinating efforts to avoid border patrols, you can keep in touch with your family, document abuse/etc. It's not for playing Angry Birds.
Nazism is roman fascism. Hitler's reign does play a part in the history of Europe, but not it's culture. Most white Europeans detest and avoid skinheads anyways. The video's that circulate on the net depicting refugees in a bad light are actually the minimal part of all the misery those welfare leeches cause in Europe. If anything, the media works in favour of these immigrants and even censors anti-immigrant posts on facebook. Our governments completely disregard the wishes of the natives, thus the riots, and openly call anyone that is against the refugees a racist or xenophobe.
Anywho, the white natives have no problem whatsoever with war refugees. They do have a problem with 72% of the war refugees bein Young muslim Men that stare at our women, demand free money and housing, walking around with iphones and not even being Syrian.
The white Germans detesting skinheads is like white Americans detesting KKK. Surely people will dislike the radicals but when it comes down to it people may have underlying racism/xenophobia. The people who detest neonazis will not have a collective underlying racist thoughts about all white Germans afterall.
Those anti-immigration facebook posts (which is not even a place where people spread credible knowledge to begin with) do not seem like a huge loss of legitimate source. I mean we can all learn different facts and opinions without seeing someone's edit of "refugess welcome" poster with a "Not" in the middle of these words on a 17 y/o stormfront member's profile.
Where does this information of refugees causing collapse in economy and 72% of them being young males capable of engaging in battle comes from? So far there is no major economic crisis in Europe (atleast caused by this) and age/gender thing is realisticly impossible for a collective group of population and have been debunked before:
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Iphones? People escape war not poverty. An iphone owner is neither immune to warfare nor bulletproof. At this day and age smart phones are nearly essential as clothing esp.for people who have to navigate in long distances. Besides they are not unrealisticly expensive.
I may sound like a little soft sjw lib or w/e but it is really sad when people are so easily dismissing whole population of people (i am not saying you are doing it though). If anyone recalls that pic of drowned Syrian toddler; it was not an isolated case it is reality which is happening in weekly or even daily basis, probably right now as well and one may get a little sensitive after seeing such news every week on TV.
I've never understood this 'iPhone-argument.' Having a smartphone is an absolutely essential tool for refugees. GPS shows you the way, there are websites for coordinating efforts to avoid border patrols, you can keep in touch with your family, document abuse/etc. It's not for playing Angry Birds.
The white Germans detesting skinheads is like white Americans detesting KKK. Surely people will dislike the radicals but when it comes down to it people may have underlying racism/xenophobia. The people who detest neonazis will not have a collective underlying racist thoughts about all white Germans afterall.
Those anti-immigration facebook posts (which is not even a place where people spread credible knowledge to begin with) do not seem like a huge loss of legitimate source. I mean we can all learn different facts and opinions without seeing someone's edit of "refugess welcome" poster with a "Not" in the middle of these words on a 17 y/o stormfront member's profile.
Where does this information of refugees causing collapse in economy and 72% of them being young males capable of engaging in battle comes from? So far there is no major economic crisis in Europe (atleast caused by this) and age/gender thing is realisticly impossible for a collective group of population and have been debunked before:
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Iphones? People escape war not poverty. An iphone owner is neither immune to warfare nor bulletproof. At this day and age smart phones are nearly essential as clothing esp.for people who have to navigate in long distances. Besides they are not unrealisticly expensive.
I may sound like a little soft sjw lib or w/e but it is really sad when people are so easily dismissing whole population of people (i am not saying you are doing it though). If anyone recalls that pic of drowned Syrian toddler; it was not an isolated case it is reality which is happening in weekly or even daily basis, probably right now as well and one may get a little sensitive after seeing such news every week on TV.
Wether or not the facebook pages are a legitimate source of information on the refugee crisis matters not. The fact that anti-mass immigration pages are being censored is what I was trying to point out. Europe has been guilty of preventing and/or delaying negative news towards immigrants from leak out. They'd do everything to keep things hidden from the public. They even headlined articles and interviews with 'Syrian refugees' while clearly showing Somalis, Pakistanis, Afghans, etc.
The information on 72% of the second wave of refugees being young men is easy to get to. Not only that, it's painstakingly visible when I walk near refugee camps in my Province or go to Amsterdam I barely see women and children. When I look at footage of truckdrivers in France being harrassed and almost pulled out of their trucks by refugees crossing the highway, I only see men. 10.000's of them everyday according to these truckdrivers.
As for the iPhone argument; like I agreed with ZeroKelvin/Mordred, I agree with you that was not necessary nor logical on second thought.
We/I am dismissive of a whole population of people because there is no regulation whatsoever. There is no regulation for people that completely disregard western culture and ethics. The governments completely disregard the safety of the natives. I couldn't care less for the ones that come in with the right intent. It takes 1 amongst 100 to ruin the life of a few girls. It takes a 1000 out of 10.000 to completely change the culture of several neighbourhoods into a no-go zone for non-muslims. It takes a few thousand welfare leeches to severely influence the economy of a nation negatively. We're better off deporting all of them. Only the english speaking syrians who are actually capable of showing legitimate passports and genuine intent to integrate within our progressive societies should be allowed to stay. Any complaint for better food or housing should be met with military boot kicking their ass back to where they came from. Why do you think many refugees put themselves in danger crossing the sea just to get to Italy and beyond? They know they will be seen as victims and not be turned back.
This is not a coincidence. Europe has been sold out for the interests of a few. Chaos will erupt soon as it already has on many fronts. Terrorist attacks orchestrated by fake muslims trained by US will create panic and upheaval, only giving the US more reasons for foreign intervention and NATO will eventually announce martial law, laying waste to our civil rights.
Its official now - from the telegraph article "Islamic State setting up terror training camps in Europe, police agency warns":
Terror group Isil has set up secret training camps across Europe to prepare fighters to carry out “special forces style” attacks in the UK or other EU countries, Europol has warned.
The international police agency said apart from bases in Syria, the barbaric organisation had “smaller scale training camps in the EU and Balkan countries”.
Another gem from the telegraph titled "Isil exploiting migrant routes to smuggle jihadists back to Britain using fake documents":
Isil jihadists are exploiting the migrant crisis to smuggle terrorists into Europe with fake passports they can then use to travel to the UK, British intelligence officials fear.
The Swiss have already begun preparing for the civil war (from 10news.dk) - "Europe ''on the verge of civil war'' – Swiss army chief's urgent warning":
Lieutenant-General André Blattmann has issued a warning to the Swiss people that society is dangerously close to collapse and advised those not already armed as part of the Swiss Army reserve to take steps to arm themselves. Blattmann has been head of the Armed Forces since, 1 March 2009 and his words carry very significant weight in a country in which several Citizens’ Initiative referenda against burqas and mosques have proven enormously popular as concerns grow about immigration and Islamisation...
