George Zimmerman Whines He Was Victim, Blames Obama

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TAMPA, Fla. (Reuters) - George Zimmerman, acquitted of murder charges in the shooting death of an unarmed black teen in Florida, said in a videotaped interview that President Barack Obama stoked racial tensions in the case.

The former Florida neighborhood watch volunteer said he felt liberated after federal prosecutors last month decided not to press civil rights charges in the 2012 death of Trayvon Martin.

"Now is the perfect time to speak my mind without fear of retaliation," Zimmerman told one of his attorneys, Howard Iken, in a March 8 interview, released to the media on Monday.

Zimmerman criticized his treatment by federal prosecutors and in particular by Obama. He said Obama should not have inflamed racial tensions as he did by saying in a White House speech that if he had a son, that child would look like Martin.

"I’m also my parent’s child, and my life matters as well," Zimmerman said, identifying the president by his full name, "Barack Hussein Obama."

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"He by far overstretched, overreached, even broke the law in certain aspects to where you have an innocent American being prosecuted by the federal government," Zimmerman said.

Zimmerman was acquitted of murder in state court, and the Justice Department found insufficient evidence that he intentionally violated Martin's civil rights.

He called his conscience clean over the shooting, which he maintained was self-defense.

"You cannot as a human feel guilty for living, for surviving," he said.

Zimmerman said he was portrayed as a "racist white man," despite coming from a multicultural family in which he was raised by a Hispanic mother and grandmother.

While he felt the U.S. justice system should not have forced him to stand trial, Zimmerman was satisfied with the outcome.

"I was acquitted, and I am a free man," he said, adding that he was further validated by the Justice Department's decision not to bring civil rights charges.
 

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I don't get it...?
A Hispanic guy shot a teenager and was acquitted. Florida has Stand-You-Ground Laws, so it happens. If he felt threatened he has the legal right to defend himself.
 

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Good God, this guy is absolute scum, he isn't even worth my contempt

I don't get it...?
A Hispanic guy shot a teenager and was acquitted. Florida has Stand-You-Ground Laws, so it happens. If he felt threatened he has the legal right to defend himself.
He wasn't defending himself, he had a gun, the kid was unarmed you should have heard him screaming over the phone call a woman dialed into the police, he was screaming like that and he shot him. This guy was looking for someone to kill, he was angry, he was paranoid and that kid was just a target he had been waiting for.
 
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Good God, this guy is absolute scum, he isn't even worth my contempt



He wasn't defending himself, he had a gun, the kid was unarmed you should have heard him screaming over the phone call a woman dialed into the police, he was screaming like that and he shot him. This guy was looking for someone to kill, he was angry, he was paranoid and that kid was just a target he had been waiting for.
Sounds like media hype and speculation to me. A jury of his peers ruled that there was not enough evidence to convict him. That should be enough, shouldn't it?
Say what you want about the laws and the courts, but the people voted for representatives who then voted for the laws. One of the consequences of Stand Your Ground Laws is that the 'castle' that is your home suddenly extends to your person at all times. That can lead to some violent episodes. I don't think it's got anything to do with Zimmerman as a person.
 

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Sounds like media hype and speculation to me. A jury of his peers ruled that there was not enough evidence to convict him. That should be enough, shouldn't it?
Say what you want about the laws and the courts, but the people voted for representatives who then voted for the laws. One of the consequences of Stand Your Ground Laws is that the 'castle' that is your home suddenly extends to your person at all times. That can lead to some violent episodes. I don't think it's got anything to do with Zimmerman as a person.
Unfortunately it does, this guy wanted to shoot someone, I don't know how they found him innocent when nearly everyone else across the world could see that he was guilty. The court is not always right nor free of racism and corruption. The guy was told by the police to leave him alone, instead he followed him, confronted him, got into a scuffle and then pulled a gun and as this unarmed kid screamed he shot him in cold blood. A gun was enough to get a frightened kid to run away, even if he felt threatened and he shouldn't have been there in the first place, he was the aggressor in all ways. this kid just wanted a soda and skittles, he wasn't hurting anyone. He judged him with racial profiling and wanted to be a 'have a go hero' only his intentions where anything but pure.

That's not the composer Zimmerman, is it? :what:
No, different guy:)
 

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I would like to remind members off my ''Zero troll tolerance policy''. A reminder to keep the discussions civil and on point.
Whaaaat. Why did you neg repped me man? I just wrote what I honestly tought...
Im not american. The only Zimmerman I know is the composer...
Sorry if I offended you so much with my mistake...
 

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Unfortunately it does, this guy wanted to shoot someone, I don't know how they found him innocent when nearly everyone else across the world could see that he was guilty. The court is not always right nor free of racism and corruption. The guy was told by the police to leave him alone, instead he followed him, confronted him, got into a scuffle and then pulled a gun and as this unarmed kid screamed he shot him in cold blood. A gun was enough to get a frightened kid to run away, even if he felt threatened and he shouldn't have been there in the first place, he was the aggressor in all ways. this kid just wanted a soda and skittles, he wasn't hurting anyone. He judged him with racial profiling and wanted to be a 'have a go hero' only his intentions where anything but pure.



No, different guy:)
So you think it's guilty-until-proven-innocent?
There's not a tiny possibility that you may have just ridden the media wave?

'Cause you sound like the kind of guy who'd run away from OJ Simpson, fully convinced that he's a murderer.

But maybe it's just me who's wrong, trusting in, you know, the judicial branch of government.
 

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So you think it's guilty-until-proven-innocent?
There's not a tiny possibility that you may have just ridden the media wave?

'Cause you sound like the kind of guy who'd run away from OJ Simpson, fully convinced that he's a murderer.

But maybe it's just me who's wrong, trusting in, you know, the judicial branch of government.
I'm a girl, not a guy

If you fully trust any part of any government you are mistaken, there are thousands of cases of mis justice across the world, its not so black and white as to say, oh if a group of 12 men and women who are not law professionals and who are perfectly capable of making mistakes and not being impartial, say someone is innocent then they are innocent, everyone, everyone else, joe public, journalists, everyone, could see that this guy was guilty, the majority of the world could see it

Guy sees a black boy in a hoodie walking down the street, uses racial profiling to decide he is a criminal

Calls the police who tell him to keep away

Instead, man arms himself and decides to follow the person he has decided is suspicious based on race and common attire

Man confronts boy, an argument and scuffle ensue

Man pulls gun

Woman phones police, the boys screams can be heard over the phone

Man pulls trigger and shots innocent boy with enough time to realize that said boy is not armed, he didn't shoot him in a scuffle, the boy had time to scream and yell, which means he shot him in cold blood

He should never have been there, he shot this boy because he decided that he was a criminal, he was unarmed, he was 17. Self defense is for when you are attacked not when you attacked someone else.

The fact that a jury could not see those facts as murder beggars belief. A lot of that is because in America black people are still thought of by an alarming majority of the white community as beneath them.

And murder or not OJ Simpson's trial was a joke and a scam to the point where no one really knows and his a crook anyway.
 
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So you think it's guilty-until-proven-innocent?
There's not a tiny possibility that you may have just ridden the media wave?

'Cause you sound like the kind of guy who'd run away from OJ Simpson, fully convinced that he's a murderer.

But maybe it's just me who's wrong, trusting in, you know, the judicial branch of government.
You're a fool Lol.
 

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I don't get it...?
A Hispanic guy shot a teenager and was acquitted. Florida has Stand-You-Ground Laws, so it happens. If he felt threatened he has the legal right to defend himself.





 

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I still cant find a reason as to y Zimmerman needed to kill the kid.:| The boy was unarmed, in terror and Zimmerman was an adult martial artist. Overpowering the boy should have been easy....I also don't get how chasing after a child after u have called the police = stand your ground, but what would I know :coffee:

This world we live in really is something
 
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Unfortunately it does, this guy wanted to shoot someone, I don't know how they found him innocent when nearly everyone else across the world could see that he was guilty. The court is not always right nor free of racism and corruption. The guy was told by the police to leave him alone, instead he followed him, confronted him, got into a scuffle and then pulled a gun and as this unarmed kid screamed he shot him in cold blood. A gun was enough to get a frightened kid to run away, even if he felt threatened and he shouldn't have been there in the first place, he was the aggressor in all ways. this kid just wanted a soda and skittles, he wasn't hurting anyone. He judged him with racial profiling and wanted to be a 'have a go hero' only his intentions where anything but pure.



No, different guy:)
Thanks, mate. ;)
 

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Neat.

If you fully trust any part of any government you are mistaken, there are thousands of cases of mis justice across the world, its not so black and white as to say, oh if a group of 12 men and women who are not law professionals and who are perfectly capable of making mistakes and not being impartial, say someone is innocent then they are innocent, everyone, everyone else, joe public, journalists, everyone, could see that this guy was guilty, the majority of the world could see it
Actually:

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Not everyone could see he was guilty.

Why?

Because some people actually pay attention to facts (rather than hash-tags).

Guy sees a black boy in a hoodie walking down the street, uses racial profiling to decide he is a criminal
Negative.



"Someone at NBC had edited the tape to make Zimmerman appear racist. The unedited sequence of the call went like this:

Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

Dispatcher: “OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman: “He looks black.”"


Calls the police who tell him to keep away
Dispatch has no legal authority.

Instead, man arms himself and decides to follow the person he has decided is suspicious based on race and common attire
He finds him suspicious because he is walking through the neighborhood and looking in windows:



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"The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of “found items” were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a “found items” report.

Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation – instead preferring “school discipline” and not “criminal adjudication”.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly.

School Superintendent Alberto Carvalho gave his hire, Police Chief Hurley, instructions to reduce the criminal behavior of young black males. The chosen strategy between them, to insure optical success, was to stop using the Criminal Justice System to punish black student behavior. Instead they instructed the School Resource Officers to use school discipline in place of criminal justice."




"“This guy looks like he’s up to no good,” Zimmerman tells the police. “Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.” Trayvon was on drugs or had been recently. His autopsy showed the presence of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in both his blood and his urine.

It is possible too that Trayvon was up to no good. “He’s just staring, looking at all the houses,” says Zimmerman. Trayvon had a history. On October 21, 2011, he received his second suspension that school year. A security guard at his school saw Trayvon writing “WTF” on a hallway locker. In looking through his bag for the marker, the guard found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch, and a “burglary tool.”

Zimmerman did the prudent thing by reporting Trayvon to the police. Ever since the Florida real estate bust, the Retreat at Twin Lakes had been troubled by vacancies, foreclosures, and renters of dubious repute. The community had suffered numerous break-ins and home invasions, the perpetrators of which were all young men, most of them black. “We report all suspicious persons & activities to the Sanford Police Department,” reads the standard neighborhood watch sign at the community’s gated entrance. If Trayvon did not fit the bill, no one did."


Man confronts boy, an argument and scuffle ensue

Man pulls gun

Woman phones police, the boys screams can be heard over the phone

Man pulls trigger and shots innocent boy with enough time to realize that said boy is not armed, he didn't shoot him in a scuffle, the boy had time to scream and yell, which means he shot him in cold blood
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He should never have been there, he shot this boy because he decided that he was a criminal, he was unarmed, he was 17. Self defense is for when you are attacked not when you attacked someone else.

The fact that a jury could not see those facts as murder beggars belief. A lot of that is because in America black people are still thought of by an alarming majority of the white community as beneath them.


These are the witnesses called forward.

As for your whole "whites versus blacks" - let me ask you something:

Let's say I do hate blacks - don't even see black women as viable breed stock in a harem. What does that have to do with you and what you decide to do with your life?

If you let my opinions of your value influence your own decisions and behavior, then I may as well own you.

I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing as a human being whether you claim I'm some kind of bigot or not. I'm going to develop my own laser machining systems (L-CAM; already exists, I just want to make my own). I'm going to make my own business. And I'm going to do the best I can to utilize the gifts I feel I've been given.

You're more than welcome to do the same.

Or, if you think your value is dependent upon what I supposedly think of you - you can live that way, too. It's not my job to make sure you live a life free of bitterness.

And murder or not OJ Simpson's trial was a joke and a scam to the point where no one really knows and his a crook anyway.
There are problems with our justice system, mostly because we have too many laws that try to legislate happiness.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.






Zimmerman never used the "Stand your ground" defense.



The media likes to yack about it, but it rarely plays a role in court cases.

Edit: - missing last link.
 

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Neat.



Actually:

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Not everyone could see he was guilty.

Why?

Because some people actually pay attention to facts (rather than hash-tags).



Negative.



"Someone at NBC had edited the tape to make Zimmerman appear racist. The unedited sequence of the call went like this:

Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

Dispatcher: “OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman: “He looks black.”"




Dispatch has no legal authority.



He finds him suspicious because he is walking through the neighborhood and looking in windows:



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"The connections between the Police Burglary report and the School Report of “found items” were never made because the regular police detective in charge of the Burglary case had no idea the School Police Dept. had filed a “found items” report.

Two differing police departments, and the School Officer, Dunn, intentionally took the criminal element out of the equation – instead preferring “school discipline” and not “criminal adjudication”.

It was only when the M-DSPD Internal Affairs investigation kicked in, and six officers gave sworn affidavits, the manipulative scheme to improve criminal statistics within the School System were identified openly.

School Superintendent Alberto Carvalho gave his hire, Police Chief Hurley, instructions to reduce the criminal behavior of young black males. The chosen strategy between them, to insure optical success, was to stop using the Criminal Justice System to punish black student behavior. Instead they instructed the School Resource Officers to use school discipline in place of criminal justice."




"“This guy looks like he’s up to no good,” Zimmerman tells the police. “Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.” Trayvon was on drugs or had been recently. His autopsy showed the presence of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in both his blood and his urine.

It is possible too that Trayvon was up to no good. “He’s just staring, looking at all the houses,” says Zimmerman. Trayvon had a history. On October 21, 2011, he received his second suspension that school year. A security guard at his school saw Trayvon writing “WTF” on a hallway locker. In looking through his bag for the marker, the guard found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch, and a “burglary tool.”

Zimmerman did the prudent thing by reporting Trayvon to the police. Ever since the Florida real estate bust, the Retreat at Twin Lakes had been troubled by vacancies, foreclosures, and renters of dubious repute. The community had suffered numerous break-ins and home invasions, the perpetrators of which were all young men, most of them black. “We report all suspicious persons & activities to the Sanford Police Department,” reads the standard neighborhood watch sign at the community’s gated entrance. If Trayvon did not fit the bill, no one did."




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These are the witnesses called forward.

As for your whole "whites versus blacks" - let me ask you something:

Let's say I do hate blacks - don't even see black women as viable breed stock in a harem. What does that have to do with you and what you decide to do with your life?

If you let my opinions of your value influence your own decisions and behavior, then I may as well own you.

I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing as a human being whether you claim I'm some kind of bigot or not. I'm going to develop my own laser machining systems (L-CAM; already exists, I just want to make my own). I'm going to make my own business. And I'm going to do the best I can to utilize the gifts I feel I've been given.

You're more than welcome to do the same.

Or, if you think your value is dependent upon what I supposedly think of you - you can live that way, too. It's not my job to make sure you live a life free of bitterness.



There are problems with our justice system, mostly because we have too many laws that try to legislate happiness.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.



Zimmerman never used the "Stand your ground" defense.



The media likes to yack about it, but it rarely plays a role in court cases.

Edit: - missing last link.
None of it changes the fact that an unarmed kid, who may not have been an angel, true, I already knew that, was shot dead because this guy decided to go out, armed and confront him when he was told not to. If he had not been trying to be a vigilante this would not have happened, there is not proof that the kid was up to anything. Most of this is conjecture and point of view. This guy went out with the intent to do what he did. Anyone who was not going out with the intent to stop someone with deadly force would not have been out there, he took an innocent life, a boy that may have got over his troubles and made something of himself, or not, we will never know, because he wanted to be a big shot.

Zimmerman's injuries where his own fault, its pretty obvious that he confronted the guy and they got in a fight, pretty pathetic considering he was supposed to be some kind of martial arts expert.

The only way people could think that this guy was not guilty of murder is if they agreed with what he did.

Racism by definition is the devaluing of someone by race, you cannot dislike someone based on their colour genuinely because each person is an individual.

Edit: Also I came to my conclusions from watching the news and the parts of the trial that were shown in the UK, not from social media :)

But in the end everyone will disagree and it is, unfortunately. too late now, no point in closing the gate once the horse has bolted.
 
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None of it changes the fact that an unarmed kid, who may not have been an angel, true, I already knew that, was shot dead because this guy decided to go out, armed and confront him when he was told not to.
No, the fact is that the kid assaulted Zimmerman, who in turn defended himself.

If he had not been trying to be a vigilante this would not have happened, there is not proof that the kid was up to anything. Most of this is conjecture and point of view. This guy went out with the intent to do what he did. Anyone who was not going out with the intent to stop someone with deadly force would not have been out there, he took an innocent life, a boy that may have got over his troubles and made something of himself, or not, we will never know, because he wanted to be a big shot.
Martin would be alive, today, if he'd not attacked Zimmerman.

Zimmerman has the right to confront anyone at any point in time; armed or unarmed.

If "black lives matter" has the ability to violently burst into restaurants and begin shouting at people - Zimmerman has the ability to ask a kid what he's doing, wandering around in the rain while peering through windows.

Zimmerman's injuries where his own fault, its pretty obvious that he confronted the guy and they got in a fight, pretty pathetic considering he was supposed to be some kind of martial arts expert.
He was not a martial arts expert.



"Pollack said that Zimmerman began working out in October 2010 in order to lose weight and get in shape. Pollack said that Zimmerman trained “two to three days at most,” attending sessions between work and school.

He said Zimmerman was “a beginner” and not competent in grappling — a tactic used in mixed-martial arts.

Pollack said that Zimmerman was “very diligent” and “very coachable” but didn’t have the strength or skill to be successful in the sport.

Pollack said that Zimmerman was grossly obese when he began training. “That was the main focus of why he was there,” he said, adding “he was doing very well with that.”

Pollack also said that Zimmerman began boxing training but that he never progressed past shadow boxing. “He didn’t know how to really effectively punch.”

Zimmerman claims that he was being beaten up by Trayvon Martin before shooting him in the chest. A witness to the altercation between Zimmerman and Martin previously testified that they saw a person later identified as Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman, attacking him “ground and pound” style."


The only way people could think that this guy was not guilty of murder is if they agreed with what he did.
You see a strange person walking down the street after there have been a lot of burglaries. The police have frequently failed to respond to calls of suspicious persons.

Is it somehow wrong for you, as a member of your community watch, to ask this person what's up?

When I worked security, we walked up to suspicious people all the time and just gave a friendly hello and asked if there was something we could help them with. Lost people can look suspicious - no harm in that. But we were also watching for how they reacted to the knowledge that someone was paying attention to them. People up to no good tend to assume the worst.

I currently work for a business that contracts services inside of hospitals. I service our equipment, and have frequent encounters with hospital security and staff who want to know I'm not about to 'disinfect' a patients' blood, or whatever possible little horrors I could be up to.

Strangely enough, because I speak 'human' to them and don't decide to start punching them in the head - I've never had a problem.

I've never had a problem with police, either - and I'm a night-owl who is often out late enough to catch the eyes of law enforcement. I've been confronted quite often or had police cars follow me and stand post outside a convenience store while I got myself a soda and some slim-jim-type jerky.

It isn't rocket science.

I've had to deal with people like Zimmerman, before. The only way I would have ended up shot is if I decided to fight like a street thug (the gun was drawn only after Zimmerman was pinned and fired at point blank with Gunshot Residue collaborating a Zimmerman's testimony of firing from a pinned position).

Racism by definition is the devaluing of someone by race, you cannot dislike someone based on their colour genuinely because each person is an individual.
Race is actually a political fabrication.

That said, you didn't actually address my question.

What does that change about an individual's decisions in life?

So the world hates you because of your race or the color of your skin - or because you have balls inside your belly rather than outside your belly... whatever. If the world -really- feels that way about you - what's whining and complaining about it going to solve?

The reason the "race" card works so well is because people do not, generally, want to be racists. They want to see everyone succeed.

In America, at least.

See - I've come to realize something about the difference between Europe and America.

America isn't a race. We aren't a nation made of people - we are a nation made of laws. In a sense, that has created the "American" - but the "American" isn't a 'physical' ethnicity; rather, it is a cognitive ethnicity - a sort of mental heritage. Anyone can become an American and can live in our nation. There is no birthright requirement (in fact, I don't believe anyone should be "born American" - but that's another discussion).

Europe is different. The French are the French because they're French. The Germans are the Germans because they're German. German laws and authority for German people. Spanish laws and authority for Spanish people.

Laws and authority need to be different and "of the race."

This is partially why the EU was destined to the failure it is experiencing, today. Europe is not a continent of laws. It is a continent of governing structures making unconstrained decisions regarding the affairs of their race - their "tribe." A unified Europe is, thus, impossible until the legal structure becomes an authority that is contractually constrained.

Which would require Europeans to accept a radically different view of nationality.

Consider the Yugoslav Republic.

The reason why Yugoslavia disintegrated was because the government was not fundamentally constrained. Serbs could use the republic to arbitrarily strike at the Croatians or the Bosnians. Then you have wonderful territorial disputes like Kosovo.

The reason why a nation like America was even possible is because majority opinion was fundamentally constrained - the powers of government were limited to the degree that sweeping verdicts on the legality of your lifestyle didn't matter. The Germans could move in next door to the Austrians and there was no way for either one to use the government to stomp on each other.

When that threat of tyranny by the majority disappears - the impulse to classify other people by tribal distinctions disappears. It doesn't matter if the majority is upset with what you are doing so long as the laws are being upheld - and Americans (used to) value law above whims.

Consider for a minute that, despite centuries of killing the shit out of each other - Europeans moved to America and became so homogenous with each other that they had to be lumped together as "white" to create the illusion of racism against "blacks." Up until the 60s, most "whites" were identified by their European ancestry - Irish, German, Spanish, French, British, etc. A good portion of "African Americans" weren't even in the nation, yet, and would later come from the Moorish regions, from the Philippines, and some from Africa (yet they all had to be lumped together as "African Americans" to create the statistical illusion of racism; since breaking down the black demographic their regional ancestry shows that income and success are cultural as opposed to induced by racism).

Racism (and the lack thereof) in America is a relatively deep subject. Suffice to say that the greatest amount of racism exists in the government programs that attempt to 'fix' inequality by establishing preferential treatment standards to 'compensate.' This goes so far as to pay women, basically, to not have fathers for their children (their benefits actually go away if a male resides with them).

[video=youtube;vewsQtOBWqI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vewsQtOBWqI[/video]

You should really dive into some Thomas Sowell - he has studied economics, race, politics, etc since before I was born.

Edit: Also I came to my conclusions from watching the news and the parts of the trial that were shown in the UK, not from social media :)
Now, now,

Let's be honest.

How much of your own research did you do, and how much of it was just what you caught in passing between banter amongst your friends/siblings?
 
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