george zimmerman was found not guilty..

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Don't care bout hypothetical. Fact is he was told not to pursue Trayvon, but he did and killed him. Yes I want zimmerman to get killed, nothing will change that
Who cares if he was told not to pursue. He had every right to walk up and ask him what he was doing in his neighborhood. You cannot deny his rights like that. He has the right to walk wherever he wants on public property and to talk to whoever he wants

Trayvon had the right to ignore him and just keep walking but he chose to attack him instead which is both illegal and stupid.

No whim if i'm innocent and some one confronts me and they have a gun, I'd hope to shoot them first
So you are an aggressor and want to kill anyone you feel threatened by? People have confronted me before and I didn't give the first f*** if they had a gun or not becase it was not pointed at me.
 
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Finally someone who has sense. Honestly i am finish with this thread, because what this guy is telling me, is it's okay for someone to call 911 to report someone "who they thought was doing something wrong because he had on a hood and looked like he does drug" that is one of the stupidest thing i ever heard. To make matters worst, he peruse the kid with a weapon. It's not rocket sciences, if you carry a "gun" and you did some shit like this after saying " i'm tired of A whole like this getting away with shit" in which you killed someone, how the **** is that self defense? Self defense went out the window the moment that **** decided to peruse an unharmed kid with a weapon.

None of this would have happen if he had actually Listen. "We do not need you to peruse" And that's the problem with society, No one listen. And I love how the idiot who replayed to you avoided the question if that was him being follow and chase by someone, if they wouldn't reacted the way this boy kid. This is just like the O Jay case, i wouldn't be surprise if this ass whole comes out with a book about how he did it.

I don't wish any bad things on zim, But it sure is good news that they are re looking this investigation and bringing this **** back to court.

I agree, you basically just said everything i'm to impatience to type
 

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I agree, you basically just said everything i'm to impatience to type
Okay here it is, yes he followed travyon but he did not bait trayvon into fighting him, it's obvious that he didnt want travyon to fight him. Yeah he should have stayed in his car but Trayvon going back to him and fighting him was wrong on his part.

Also this case was never about if zimmerman killed trayvon, he admitted to that. The case was about if it was a LEGAL HOMICIDE.
All the prosecution had to do was prove that the killing was not in self defense. Which they couldn't, in fact most of their witnesses admitted that there was a fight and one eye witness said that it was trayvon on top of zimmerman wailing on him.

If Zimmerman really feared for his life than in Florida's stand your ground law he had the right to shot and kill Travyon.

Just because something is MORALLY right, doesnt mean is not LEGAL. The two dont go hand in hand and people need to realize that.


Also the prosecution went full retard trying to charge him with 2nd degree murder when it CLEARLY wasnt. They should have focused on trying to prove manslaughter. They basically let the defense steamroll them.
 

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Just an observation, but I find it funny that the people on this site that say eff tho police and I hate cops in one thread, are the the same type of people that say Zimmerman should have listened to emergency services and let the cops handle it in this thread. I may be wrong and I may be wrong, but...

And one mans profiling is another way of saying targeting your demographics. If it works in sales marketing, why can't it work in crime prevention.

And yes it is a sad thing that happened. And of being of non Caucasian ethnicity, a part of me hates the fact that Zimmerman got acquitted. But then again, the rational mind in me says there's always two sides to the story.
 

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Just an observation, but I find it funny that the people on this site that say eff tho police and I hate cops in one thread, are the the same type of people that say Zimmerman should have listened to emergency services and let the cops handle it in this thread. I may be wrong and I may be wrong, but...

And one mans profiling is another way of saying targeting your demographics. If it works in sales marketing, why can't it work in crime prevention.

And yes it is a sad thing that happened. And of being of non Caucasian ethnicity, a part of me hates the fact that Zimmerman got acquitted. But then again, the rational mind in me says there's always two sides to the story.
I know it is so amusing. They are a bunch of plebs that want to act tough but when shit hits the fan they hide behind the police.

Why do people care about color/race/nationality? I am a mix of Northern European peoples and Native American and I never use that to determine any type of justice. I'd chop the head off of one of my own just as easily as I would someone of Asian, African, Indian, America, or Middle Eastern decent. Race/Color never factors into any court cases for me...
 
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of course after zimmerman provoked the fight, he was losing so he shot him. Hope zimmerman gets killed
Zimmerman provoked the fight? Really?

Where are the injuries to Trayvon Martin?

Or is it that Trayvon acted just like his ghettoed-up girlfriend, who got belligerent and almost violent at the most basic of questioning?

Finally someone who has sense.
No, he doesn't have any.

Honestly i am finish with this thread, because what this guy is telling me, is it's okay for someone to call 911 to report someone "who they thought was doing something wrong because he had on a hood and looked like he does drug" that is one of the stupidest thing i ever heard.
There had been numerous break-ins in that neighborhood.

What people do before robbing a place is called "casing." We, in the military, call it "surveillance." It's why we get onto people for taking pictures of bases and for trying to wander into areas they don't belong. You look at an area to find weaknesses that can be exploited or resources to be taken.

Zimmerman suspected Martin - a man who was not native to the community and dressed opposite of the typical resident of the community - of running surveillance to support a new run of break-ins and theft.

To make matters worst, he peruse the kid with a weapon. It's not rocket sciences, if you carry a "gun" and you did some shit like this after saying " i'm tired of A whole like this getting away with shit" in which you killed someone, how the **** is that self defense? Self defense went out the window the moment that **** decided to peruse an unharmed kid with a weapon.
No, it didn't.

That is like saying you can no longer claim rape after you go to a bar and decide to drink.

None of this would have happen if he had actually Listen. "We do not need you to peruse" And that's the problem with society, No one listen.
Ironic, no?

And I love how the idiot who replayed to you avoided the question if that was him being follow and chase by someone, if they wouldn't reacted the way this boy kid. This is just like the O Jay case, i wouldn't be surprise if this ass whole comes out with a book about how he did it.
How would you react to being followed?

Would you whip around and beat the hell out of someone just for following you?

With all due offense - if that's how you decide to react to people, then you need to suffer a fatal encounter. Reasonable human beings don't just beat the hell out of each other based on suspicion. Reasonable human beings actually speak to each other before deciding to kill each other.

I don't wish any bad things on zim, But it sure is good news that they are re looking this investigation and bringing this **** back to court.
No, it's not. The comments of individuals like Holder basically say: "I have determined that Zimmerman is guilty. Therefor, I am not going to give up until I get the verdict I want from a court."

That turns this nation's courts into circus courts. Good only for dictators.

You should learn to listen to your senior enlisted. We've usually seen a thing or two in our days.
 

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Interesting. I have honestly NOT follow this case at all. I know it would lead to some typical "You think he's innocent? RACIST?" and "How can you say that? The man was trying to protect himself!" bull shit that both sides love to spew to try and rally more and more to their cause.

This happened in Florida? There might have been some biased, realistically, but I have my doubts that there are "real racists" left in much of the United States. Nowadays people will say anything mentioning a racist joke or spewing something offensive is a racist. It's them not being tolerant. But they aren't racist for saying it.

So, the Jury and court may have been subconsciously shifted more over in Zimmerman's favor. I doubt there were actual people thinking "I'ma say the white guy who shot the black kid is innocent, WHITE POWER!". What happened happened. The man was proven to be innocent, even though he killed someone. I would have at least givin him some jail time but still. What we should REALLY be focused on is making sure such instiances don't occur again and helping the family of this. . Treyvon Martin(?) move on and collect themselves.

Hell; why stop at one family. I'm sure there are hundreds of people who are affected by gang violence and lose a loved one. We really need to clean up the streets. And no, that does not mean arresting every minority or taking guns away. We SHOULD be focusing on fixing up neighbor hoods, making sure all those in low-income area's can GET a good education at a shot to make something legally out of their lives. Cracking down on drug distribution is a biggie.

Well, sort of went on a rant here. But yeah. . Let's stop focusing on the outcome of the case and TRY to think of ways or DO something to make certain that these situations do not happen again. Help the family members affected by this and try not to seek revenge, for God knows why you would.

Added note: In World War 1, the German. . Ambassador I think. . Who tried to convince Mexico to go to war with the United States if the United States were to attack the Central Powers. .His name was Zimmerman. Was it not? I'm fairly certain it was... And I recall hearing somewhere that this man DOES have latino blood in him... Food for though is all I am saying.
 

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Here's the reason why I think Zimmerman was acquitted. His lawyers actually used the law defend his case. While the Prosecution went with contrasting images of Martin and Zimmerman. Instead of providing proof beyond doubt, they went with the human interest angle and portrayed it as a hate crime.
 

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Zimmerman provoked the fight? Really?

Where are the injuries to Trayvon Martin?

Or is it that Trayvon acted just like his ghettoed-up girlfriend, who got belligerent and almost violent at the most basic of questioning?



No, he doesn't have any.



There had been numerous break-ins in that neighborhood.

What people do before robbing a place is called "casing." We, in the military, call it "surveillance." It's why we get onto people for taking pictures of bases and for trying to wander into areas they don't belong. You look at an area to find weaknesses that can be exploited or resources to be taken.

Zimmerman suspected Martin - a man who was not native to the community and dressed opposite of the typical resident of the community - of running surveillance to support a new run of break-ins and theft.



No, it didn't.

That is like saying you can no longer claim rape after you go to a bar and decide to drink.



Ironic, no?



How would you react to being followed?

Would you whip around and beat the hell out of someone just for following you?

With all due offense - if that's how you decide to react to people, then you need to suffer a fatal encounter. Reasonable human beings don't just beat the hell out of each other based on suspicion. Reasonable human beings actually speak to each other before deciding to kill each other.



No, it's not. The comments of individuals like Holder basically say: "I have determined that Zimmerman is guilty. Therefor, I am not going to give up until I get the verdict I want from a court."

That turns this nation's courts into circus courts. Good only for dictators.

You should learn to listen to your senior enlisted. We've usually seen a thing or two in our days.
Are you stupid or what? The guy is a complete racist, both his brother and mother too. His own sister and ex girlfriend spoken out against him. How stupid do you feel not for defending someone like that? nvm you might be racist yourself, the fact that you bloody told me, if i wear a hood, i should be consider a gang banger, again...that is the stupidest thing ever heard. So, If my daughter wear Denim Short -Blue jeans, or anyone daughter i guess i people should look at them an call them a ***** right? The 911 called, what he said on the call, and the fact that he has a history of police assault, abusive behaviors towards his ex girlfriend and according to his sister, has a history of Racism, how can you tell me this shit wasn't about race? Get real.

What the **** are you suppose to tell your kid if their being Stalk by someone who isn't an officer???
Are you suppose to fight back or not suppose to fight back???
if you fight back he can execute you and everyone thinks your guilty and if you don't you get killed anyway.
He was the one stalking ffs. Did trayvon think he will take on a gun??? You have to be monumentally stupid to believe that.
The idiot told the jury he had to follow the boy "he was moving unusually slow"
Zimmerman went after martin, willingly and armed. you can not blame random people for not doing anything. the only person responsible is Zimmerman, as he was the aggressor.
Zimmerman say "****ing punks, they always get away"<------------Seriously? Open your eyes.
Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense Why? Because Zimmerman followed and harassed Martin, Martin got angry over this and confronted Zimmerman, what we don't know is who physically attacked who first.

The plain reality is
you believe what you believe because you did before the trial began ,because a Zimmerman told you ..and that's good enough..yes he punch him what would you do if someone follows you and tried to DETAIN you..pull down your pants and bend over???
 

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Are you stupid or what?
Test at the 98+ percentile in every metric of human capacity to remember and/or decipher the answer determined most correct out of a possible 5.

When I was 8, I was among groups that were exploring problem solving solutions to various cutting-edge engineering problems and complex social/political problems involving the agricultural capacity of third world nations.

I consider my mind to be relatively basic and unremarkable.

The guy is a complete racist, both his brother and mother too.
He works with black children as part of community outreach programs.

His own sister and ex girlfriend spoken out against him.
Really, now. They did?

How stupid do you feel not for defending someone like that?
Let's say I do feel stupid. How do you feel, knowing that you'll never out-score me on any rating of intellectual performance?

nvm you might be racist yourself, the fact that you bloody told me, if i wear a hood, i should be consider a gang banger, again...that is the stupidest thing ever heard. So, If my daughter wear Denim Short -Blue jeans, or anyone daughter i guess i people should look at them an call them a ***** right?
If the shoe fits.

Why do guys hit on girls who wear revealing clothing? Because it's perceived that they are advertising - that they want to be looked at, and want to be pursued.

That doesn't mean she's a ***** - but neither you nor her can really get upset when guys start making passes on her when she starts wearing denim panties over her thong.

Same with the hoodie. If you've got a lot of gang/thug activity around the area (or have had a recent series of break-ins) - then hoodies are going to be a relatively negatively perceived wardrobe choice.

That's just the way it is. Perception is reality.

The 911 called, what he said on the call, and the fact that he has a history of police assault, abusive behaviors towards his ex girlfriend and according to his sister, has a history of Racism, how can you tell me this shit wasn't about race? Get real.
I've seen the evidence and trial. Race wasn't nearly the factor that you want to make it to be.

About the most valid criticism of Zimmerman is that he had a bad habit of approaching issues somewhat overzealously.

Which the same can be said of Martin.

They both have a streak of the "tough guy" mentality in them with opposing alignments. Put the two together and it's going to get ugly.

What the **** are you suppose to tell your kid if their being Stalk by someone who isn't an officer???
Are you suppose to fight back or not suppose to fight back???
I'm going to teach my kid that fighting back is the last choice because of incidents like this; to contact myself, his mother, uncles, friends, etc. Then, to evade and make his way to a public place (local shopping center, park, some place with people).

if you fight back he can execute you and everyone thinks your guilty and if you don't you get killed anyway.
Zimmerman wouldn't have shot Trayvon if he hadn't started bashing his head into the concrete.

He was the one stalking ffs. Did trayvon think he will take on a gun??? You have to be monumentally stupid to believe that.
You're speaking in fragments, here.

Does it matter what you think someone has, in terms of armament?

What if Zimmerman didn't have a firearm? He'd likely be dead from having his head repeatedly slammed into the concrete. And you wouldn't have heard about this case. Just like you don't hear about the cases where 8 black guys beat a man to death and walk, or cases of black-on-black crime.

Perhaps that's something to think about. Consider that, with concealed carry permits, someone -might- just waste you when you step too far out of line.

How about that? Consequences for one's actions....

The idiot told the jury he had to follow the boy "he was moving unusually slow"
You do realize that he suspected Martin of 'casing' the neighborhood for places to break into, right?

Thus, moving 'unusually slowly' would be a qualifier for that. He appeared to be taking his time to scope out houses.

Zimmerman went after martin, willingly and armed. you can not blame random people for not doing anything. the only person responsible is Zimmerman, as he was the aggressor.
*shakes head*

A girl goes to a bar and gets drunk. She gets raped and uses a firearm to kill the man raping her.

It was her fault, right? She should go to jail for murder?

Identical logic applied.

Zimmerman say "****ing punks, they always get away"<------------Seriously? Open your eyes.
The neighborhood had recently been the target of a series of break-ins conducted by youths.

And what Zimmerman said is the truth. Most burglaries are unresolved crimes. If you don't catch them in the act, you almost never catch them afterwards.

Zimmerman was expressing frustration at this.

Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense Why? Because Zimmerman followed and harassed Martin, Martin got angry over this and confronted Zimmerman, what we don't know is who physically attacked who first.
The lack of any physical injury to Martin, aside from the gunshot wound, would heavily suggest it was Martin who initiated the physical altercation.

The plain reality is
you believe what you believe because you did before the trial began ,because a Zimmerman told you ..and that's good enough..yes he punch him what would you do if someone follows you and tried to DETAIN you..pull down your pants and bend over???
Zimmerman didn't try to detain anyone.

You're making that assumption up out of thin air.

The conflict was simple enough to resolve:

"Hey, what the hell are you doing?"

"Whoa! Chill, man. I'm just walking home."

"Oh, really, you live around here?"

"What are you, some kind of cop, or something?"

"Neighborhood watch."

"Look, I'm staying with some of my family over there. If you're that worried about it, they'll set this all straight."

"I'd rather just wait for the police."

"... Okay... what the hell... let's wait for the police less than a block away from my house. That's only going to take an hour. Mind if I take a nap on the grass, over here?"
 
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