Genma and Raidou vs Tayuya and Kidomaru

[KingHashirama]

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Who wins?

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[RicardoA]

The Jounin duo was tired when they faced the Sound 4 and still managed to push them around mid-high diff.
Half of the team isn't going to stop them (especially when they're fully rested).

Jounin duo wins.

 

[Europa]

Those with feats win

 

[miromiro]

Team 2 wins.

 

[Avinash012]

Team Genma is pretty much featless and If Iam not mistaken S4 beat the crap out of those dudes in P1.

OT:Team 2 wins.

 

[KingHashirama]

Team Genma is pretty much featless and If Iam not mistaken S4 beat the crap out of those dudes in P1.

OT:Team 2 wins.

S4 who turned CM v2 right from the start, and still got taken down to High-diff and all four of them were tired. o-o

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[Brother Numpsay]

S4 who turned CM v2 right from the start, and still got taken down to High-diff and all four of them were tired. o-o

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This crap again? The scene of Gemna losing, is enough evidence that they didn't use their personal jutsu's. Orochimaru had train these four specially with SEALS and BARRIERS[

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In the end, their off screen Fuijutsu cannot be use without the other 4+ all four Curse 2 requirements.

By their personal feats and character state of mind, Kido and Tayuya wins this easily.

 

[Avinash012]

S4 who turned CM v2 right from the start, and still got taken down to High-diff and all four of them were tired. o-o

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Well u got a point there but still I can't see how they can counter Sound genjutsu and Kido's arrows as well as Web.

 

[~Sky~]

By portrayal team 1 should win.

By feats and abilities, team 2 because team 1 has no feats except for spitting toothpicks.

 

[KingHashirama]

This crap again? The scene of Gemna losing, is enough evidence that they didn't use their personal jutsu's. Orochimaru had train these four specially with SEALS and BARRIERS[

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]. Their Goal was to protect Sasuke. Genma's comment also applies that Fuijutsu must of been used[

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] against them.

In the end, their off screen Fuijutsu cannot be use without the other 4+ all four Curse 2 requirements.

By their personal feats and character state of mind, Kido and Tayuya wins this easily.

And who said they were allowed to showcase their abilities? They went CM v 2 and tired out hella fast... that already shows you how strong Raidou and Genma must've been.

and nothing in genma's statement applies anything about sealing.. lol

Elite guards of Orochimaru vs Elite guards of Minato =].

Well u got a point there but still I can't see how they can counter Sound genjutsu and Kido's arrows as well as Web.

Well they were somehow able to do it I guess. Notice that those kids did lose to bunch of genin level ninja in a 1 vs 1. I doubt a jounin level ninja would even allow them to use half of their techniques.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

And who said they were allowed to showcase their abilities?

Huh?

They went CM v 2 and tired out hella fast... that already shows you how strong Raidou and Genma must've been.

Thats because CM has drawback, point lol? No, That just shows you how much important, the Sound 4 mission was.

and nothing in genma's statement applies anything about sealing.. lol

"Their jutsu.. no longer the art of shinobi".

Even after I already gave proof, that together the Sound 4 have their own class of Barriers and Seals

Elite guards of Orochimaru vs Elite guards of Minato =].

So?

Well they were somehow able to do it I guess.

Exactly, this statement is your only argument.

You completely ignored their character state of mind, at the time and what they COULD of have use, other then their personal jutsu's.

-Together they are good are creating seals and barriers
-Shirukens and Ninja tools were use.
-None of the jutsu shown sign in the battle scene.

Notice that those kids did lose to bunch of genin level ninja in a 1 vs 1. I doubt a jounin level ninja would even allow them to use half of their techniques.

Call me when these two joinin can beat genin Naruto, Kiba, Shikimaru and Tayuya, Gaara, Neji, BM Choji, Kunkuro, and Sasuke.

 

[Avinash012]

Well they were somehow able to do it I guess. Notice that those kids did lose to bunch of genin level ninja in a 1 vs 1. I doubt a jounin level ninja would even allow them to use half of their techniques.

Ur right but we should consider the fact that plot was on their side,otherwise they would have died against s4 in fair battles.Regardless, we shouldn't say that team Genma can win just because they are jounins as they are pretty mush featless but I agree,they might be able to counter them.

As of now according to feats team two wins as there is nothing to support Genma and Raidou.

 

[Icelerate]

This crap again? The scene of Gemna losing, is enough evidence that they didn't use their personal jutsu's. Orochimaru had train these four specially with SEALS and BARRIERS[

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]. Their Goal was to protect Sasuke. Genma's comment also applies that Fuijutsu must of been used[

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] against them.

In the end, their off screen Fuijutsu cannot be use without the other 4+ all four Curse 2 requirements.

By their personal feats and character state of mind, Kido and Tayuya wins this easily.

"Their jutsu.. no longer the art of shinobi".

Even after I already gave proof, that together the Sound 4 have their own class of Barriers and Seals

Your response to KingHashirama just proves you are clinging at straws. I'm surprised that I'm agreeing with KingHashirama out of all people instead of you. Just because these fours have access to barriers and seals does not mean they would use them in a battle scenario considering barriers and seals don't injure your opponent, only trap them, prevent them from entering or seal them away.

By Genma's statement of the sound four not being shinobi, they were saying along the lines that their abilities were creepy and made them look like monsters. He was basically saying that their form in CS2 is very terrifying.

And who said they were allowed to showcase their abilities? They went CM v 2 and tired out hella fast... that already shows you how strong Raidou and Genma must've been.

and nothing in genma's statement applies anything about sealing.. lol

Elite guards of Orochimaru vs Elite guards of Minato =].



Well they were somehow able to do it I guess. Notice that those kids did lose to bunch of genin level ninja in a 1 vs 1. I doubt a jounin level ninja would even allow them to use half of their techniques.

Thing is that Chouji with red pill, SRA Neji, SRA Kankuro and SRA Temari are above genin level.

Huh?



Thats because CM has drawback, point lol? No, That just shows you how much important, the Sound 4 mission was.



"Their jutsu.. no longer the art of shinobi".

Even after I already gave proof, that together the Sound 4 have their own class of Barriers and Seals



So?



Exactly, this statement is your only argument.

You completely ignored their character state of mind, at the time and what they COULD of have use, other then their personal jutsu's.

-Together they are good are creating seals and barriers
-Shirukens and Ninja tools were use.
-None of the jutsu shown sign in the battle scene.




Call me when these two joinin can beat genin Naruto, Kiba, Shikimaru and Tayuya, Gaara, Neji, BM Choji, Kunkuro, and Sasuke.

Why would the sound four be so stupid to use shuriken and kunai instead of their special techs when they were up against jounin level ninjas? Especially considering they used the power of CS2 from the start against the jounins, whereas they didn't use those powers against the "genins" from the start.

Genma and Raido win mid difficulty.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Your response to KingHashirama just proves you are clinging at straws. I'm surprised that I'm agreeing with KingHashirama out of all people instead of you. Just because these fours have access to barriers and seals does not mean they would use them in a battle scenario considering barriers and seals don't injure your opponent, only trap them, prevent them from entering or seal them away.

I disagree, concerning Sealing Techniques. They're offensive Sealing jutsu, via Danzo or Minato.

That wasn't my main point. MY point is that they still have off screen feats we don't even know about/

By Genma's statement of the sound four not being shinobi, they were saying along the lines that their abilities were creepy and made them look like monsters. He was basically saying that their form in CS2 is very terrifying.

(Imma assume through viz translation, you have with that statement?)

Which proves what? That they were using their specialty?

Why would the sound four be so stupid to use shuriken and kunai instead of their special techs when they were up against jounin level ninjas? Especially considering they used the power of CS2 from the start against the jounins, whereas they didn't use those powers against the "genins" from the start.

Ask Kishimoto[

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Genma and Raido win mid difficulty.

Come on man, you know better then this. Sound 4 state of mind is much different, as they were trying to protect Sasuke. This were limited to what they had to do, which they needed to rush.

Please make an argument on how they beat them.

 

[KingHashirama]

Thing is that Chouji with red pill, SRA Neji, SRA Kankuro and SRA Temari are above genin level.

Yea, true that, i guess chunin level would be the right level.

Ur right but we should consider the fact that plot was on their side,otherwise they would have died against s4 in fair battles.Regardless, we shouldn't say that team Genma can win just because they are jounins as they are pretty mush featless but I agree,they might be able to counter them.

As of now according to feats team two wins as there is nothing to support Genma and Raidou.

We can say the same for S4. That plot was on their side, and that Raidou and genma weren't allowed to use ftg with only 2 of them.

But the manga shows that S4 beat Genma and Raidou high-diff.

That simply means they have attacks we don't know about.

 

[Avinash012]

Yea, true that, i guess chunin level would be the right level.


We can say the same for S4. That plot was on their side, and that Raidou and genma weren't allowed to use ftg with only 2 of them.

But the manga shows that S4 beat Genma and Raidou high-diff.

That simply means they have attacks we don't know about.

True but I don't think it can be taken as a valid argument in a VS debate.

 

[Curse Mark]

You're disgraceful team two literally stomps so hard.