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Okay. Start by telling me what you know of Genjutsu, what it is, how it's cast. Your experience with it. Have you seen Genjutsu users on the base, etc etc
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Genjutsu
Genjutsu are techniques which are deployed in the same way as Ninjutsu, required Chakra and Hand Seals but Unlike Ninjutsu, they don't cause any Physical Damage. These techniques are illusionary and do not affer the Victims body. However in some cases the opponent under Genjutsu feels like the illusion is reality. Genjutsu manipulate the flow of the Chakra in the Brain, disrupting the Senses.
Genjutsu can be used for interrogating. Or brain washing the Victim.
Genjutsu is created when the User controls the chakra flow of the opponent's brain nervous system. This affects their 5 Senses. Genjutsu requires a lot of skills and concentration. If performed incorrectly, it will have no affect on the opponent.
There is Sharingan Genjutsu which is even more Powerful and is Hard to Break through it.
There is also Sound Genjutsu which is used by Tayuya but I can be very easy to recognize by the Sound from the Instrument.
How to Combat the effects of Genjutsu?
If there are two ninjas and only one is affected in Genjutsu. The other one could use a surge of chakra into them to bring them out of Genjutsu.
Sharingan wielders can look at their Chakra. If it is disrupted, they are under a Genjutsu. They can take a Kunai Or Shuriken and pierce to cause pain so that their 5 Senses come back to normal.
Hidden Mist Jutsu can used to avoid Genjutsu before hand.
Kai or also known as Release can be used disrupt our Chakra Flowand use even more stronger power to disrupt the Opponent's chakra so that our 5 Senses return back to normal.
I don't have any experience regarding Genjutsu because I was never caught in it currently.
Check around the surroundings if they are normal. If they are not, we are under Genjutsu.
How to Use Genjutsu
Genjutsu can be mainly used as Distraction because when the Opponent is under Genjutsu, he cannot know what is happening in the Real World. The Opponent is in an imaginary World where everything comes under the Control of the User. So the Caster gains the Advantage of using another Jutsu on the Opponent.
During my Sharingan Awakening training with Vision, He stated that the Rank or Power of the Genjutsu does not Matter. It matters on how you use it.
Yes, by the above sentence. It can be very effective by how the Caster uses it. Such as, when the Opponent is above to execute a Jutsu, before he does it, We can cast a Genjutsu on him, to stop him. When the Opponent is High in the Air, Genjutsu can be used to stop him for a few seconds before he realizes it. By the time he realizes it, he would fall to ground causing him Damage such as a Broken Bone etc..
Genjutsu can be used with lot of creativity when making a Custom because as everything, Space, Time, Terrain comes under the Control of the Caster. Like a Tsunami heading towards the Opponent in the Illusion World etc..
When binding an Opponent, Genjutsu is really useful since the Opponent is seeing Illusions. When Binded, the Opponent cannot even move an Inch.
Users of Genjutsu in Naruto
Itachi Uchiha
Kurenai Yuhi
Danzo Shimura
Sasuke Uchiha
Tayuya
Genjutsu
Genjutsu are techniques which are deployed in the same way as Ninjutsu, required Chakra and Hand Seals but Unlike Ninjutsu, they don't cause any Physical Damage. These techniques are illusionary and do not affer the Victims body. However in some cases the opponent under Genjutsu feels like the illusion is reality. Genjutsu manipulate the flow of the Chakra in the Brain, disrupting the Senses.
Genjutsu can be used for interrogating. Or brain washing the Victim.
Genjutsu is created when the User controls the chakra flow of the opponent's brain nervous system. This affects their 5 Senses. Genjutsu requires a lot of skills and concentration. If performed incorrectly, it will have no affect on the opponent.
There is Sharingan Genjutsu which is even more Powerful and is Hard to Break through it.
There is also Sound Genjutsu which is used by Tayuya but I can be very easy to recognize by the Sound from the Instrument.
How to Combat the effects of Genjutsu?
If there are two ninjas and only one is affected in Genjutsu. The other one could use a surge of chakra into them to bring them out of Genjutsu.
Sharingan wielders can look at their Chakra. If it is disrupted, they are under a Genjutsu. They can take a Kunai Or Shuriken and pierce to cause pain so that their 5 Senses come back to normal.
Hidden Mist Jutsu can used to avoid Genjutsu before hand.
Kai or also known as Release can be used disrupt our Chakra Flowand use even more stronger power to disrupt the Opponent's chakra so that our 5 Senses return back to normal.
I don't have any experience regarding Genjutsu because I was never caught in it currently.
Check around the surroundings if they are normal. If they are not, we are under Genjutsu.
How to Use Genjutsu
Genjutsu can be mainly used as Distraction because when the Opponent is under Genjutsu, he cannot know what is happening in the Real World. The Opponent is in an imaginary World where everything comes under the Control of the User. So the Caster gains the Advantage of using another Jutsu on the Opponent.
During my Sharingan Awakening training with Vision, He stated that the Rank or Power of the Genjutsu does not Matter. It matters on how you use it.
Yes, by the above sentence. It can be very effective by how the Caster uses it. Such as, when the Opponent is above to execute a Jutsu, before he does it, We can cast a Genjutsu on him, to stop him. When the Opponent is High in the Air, Genjutsu can be used to stop him for a few seconds before he realizes it. By the time he realizes it, he would fall to ground causing him Damage such as a Broken Bone etc..
Genjutsu can be used with lot of creativity when making a Custom because as everything, Space, Time, Terrain comes under the Control of the Caster. Like a Tsunami heading towards the Opponent in the Illusion World etc..
When binding an Opponent, Genjutsu is really useful since the Opponent is seeing Illusions. When Binded, the Opponent cannot even move an Inch.
Users of Genjutsu in Naruto
Itachi Uchiha
Kurenai Yuhi
Danzo Shimura
Sasuke Uchiha
Tayuya
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Genjutsu
Technique are similar to ninjutsu, Genjutsu requires chakra and sometimes even hand seals to perform. The main difference is well Genjutsu is an illusion and nothing really happens when you are effect or caught in a genjutsu. genjutsu technique effects the chakra flow in the brain causing the person to see images that aren't real. This causes a disruption in there senses. some genjutsu effects different senses. For someone to perform genjutsu perfectly one must have great chakra control and skills. How to combat with genjutsu
The main way someone can use genjutsu for combat is mainly for distraction. One can easily perform a jutsu where the opponent sees nothing but darkness, By doing this he is distracted an unable to figure out whats going on. In reality the opponent can just be left moving around for no reason or purpose or be completely stale and not move an inch. It can leave him open and you can kill the opponent.How to combat against genjutsu
There are many ways one can combat against genjutsu.- One can stop the flow of there chakra and then apply a stronger force pushing the opponent chakra out of there brains thus releasing the genjutsu.
- The most known one is the ability to cause pain towards yourself to snap you back into reality, Biting your lip or cutting your arm is a way you can release yourself from genjutsu.
- Also being able to get out of the opponents vision preventing him to cast the jutsu like Sasuke56 said the hidden mist is a great example
The think is though you must release genjutsu before its officially cast on you or else it would be to late, So you must try to notice things change or if you can make out something unreal so you detect if its a genjutsu or not.
Users
- Itachi Uchia- Kurenai
- Tayuya
- Second Mizukage
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The both of you did very well. A couple of things are wrong, or at least slightly incorrect, but, overall, that is the gist of it. We'll get into more detail on the genjutsu, and, through that, I'll try to correct you.
Okay, so, in my opinion, the most important aspect when fighting with and against Genjutsu, is know the limitations of it. Basically, what it can affect, what it can't. What it could affect, but the description that came with it, when your opponent used, was very poor. And, in essence, is knowing what is real and what is not, when inside a Genjutsu. I call this: Recognizance. You need to master the reality first, in order to better recreate it with a Genjutsu. And, by knowing the weak spots of a Genjutsu, where it's too recognizable, or where reality crosses with the illusion, you're able to better adapt to the genjutsu, making your techniques stronger.
You already said that recognizing you're in a genjutsu is important, but I need to put emphasis on this. It is crucial that you're able to understand and reason yourself that you're in a genjutsu, otherwise you won't be able to use a counter for it. Breaking out of a Genjutsu just because you know you're in a genjutsu, because you can read your opponent's move, is godmodding, and is not allowed. Likewise, any reasoning you do, it must be done fast. Especially on a fast-paced fight, if you go on long discourses about how you know it's a genjutsu, it makes it unrealistic and not a very good counter (And could even mean your loss). Without further ado, here are a few pointers:
Obviously, the easiest way to figure out you're in a genjutsu is about how bizarre a certain situation is, either because it's too fast or unrealistic, or because you can't pinpoint how it began, or even because it's working in a way it isn't supposed to. Something like the sky suddenly turning red, or things starting to move around or distort, usually means a genjutsu (Hallucinogenic structures may appear to be a genjutsu when they're actually not, so you need to figure out right away if you're fightning with a Biological Warfare type of ninja).
That is the second way of realizing you're in a genjutsu, when you know the ninja or know enough to understand that whatever the genjutsu is creating is beyond the capability of your opponent. For example, if you see a byakugan user create a tree. You have enough understanding of RP to know that these KG don't match. Beware of KG that do match (Mostly elemental KG). This is also the case of people create genjutsus of animals that they cannot summon. Except Pein, a ninja can only summon one animal type, so if someone you don't know summons an animal, and then creates a genjutsu of a different animal, you can pretty much assume you're in a genjutsu. Again, Pein did show the ability to summon various animals (And so did Nagato by himself), generally attributed to the Rinnegan, but I know for personal experience that there aren't others, until it happens, I'll teach differently. Of course, you need to keep doubting and experimenting, new combinations happen all the time.
Of course, if you do not know the ninja you're fighting, you have to assume some hidden skills, and learn what is real and what is not by trial and error. (And this is why it's crucial to be informed)
Other than Bizarre Effects or Unattained Skills, you need to rely on the genjutsu's own limitation. Especially in lower ranks, a genjutsu will only alter a couple of basic senses. Sometimes, a genjutsu can be purely visual, so, sounds associated with what the illusion is creating won't be produced, and you can use that to your advantage. Other times, you can see some light changes or superposition of images (for example, you may see an illusionary animal or clone that doesn't bend grass when it walks). You can see a tree constricting you but not hear it grow. etc etc. When a genjutsu breaks the B rank mark, it starts to complexify, especially in the hands of a good genjutsu user, and start to describe a richer experience, but even masters make mistakes, and even powerful genjutsus have limitations, you just need to explore them.
But as you fight, you'll start to get experience in seeing genjutsus and what to expect of them. Good?
Okay, so, in my opinion, the most important aspect when fighting with and against Genjutsu, is know the limitations of it. Basically, what it can affect, what it can't. What it could affect, but the description that came with it, when your opponent used, was very poor. And, in essence, is knowing what is real and what is not, when inside a Genjutsu. I call this: Recognizance. You need to master the reality first, in order to better recreate it with a Genjutsu. And, by knowing the weak spots of a Genjutsu, where it's too recognizable, or where reality crosses with the illusion, you're able to better adapt to the genjutsu, making your techniques stronger.
You already said that recognizing you're in a genjutsu is important, but I need to put emphasis on this. It is crucial that you're able to understand and reason yourself that you're in a genjutsu, otherwise you won't be able to use a counter for it. Breaking out of a Genjutsu just because you know you're in a genjutsu, because you can read your opponent's move, is godmodding, and is not allowed. Likewise, any reasoning you do, it must be done fast. Especially on a fast-paced fight, if you go on long discourses about how you know it's a genjutsu, it makes it unrealistic and not a very good counter (And could even mean your loss). Without further ado, here are a few pointers:
Obviously, the easiest way to figure out you're in a genjutsu is about how bizarre a certain situation is, either because it's too fast or unrealistic, or because you can't pinpoint how it began, or even because it's working in a way it isn't supposed to. Something like the sky suddenly turning red, or things starting to move around or distort, usually means a genjutsu (Hallucinogenic structures may appear to be a genjutsu when they're actually not, so you need to figure out right away if you're fightning with a Biological Warfare type of ninja).
That is the second way of realizing you're in a genjutsu, when you know the ninja or know enough to understand that whatever the genjutsu is creating is beyond the capability of your opponent. For example, if you see a byakugan user create a tree. You have enough understanding of RP to know that these KG don't match. Beware of KG that do match (Mostly elemental KG). This is also the case of people create genjutsus of animals that they cannot summon. Except Pein, a ninja can only summon one animal type, so if someone you don't know summons an animal, and then creates a genjutsu of a different animal, you can pretty much assume you're in a genjutsu. Again, Pein did show the ability to summon various animals (And so did Nagato by himself), generally attributed to the Rinnegan, but I know for personal experience that there aren't others, until it happens, I'll teach differently. Of course, you need to keep doubting and experimenting, new combinations happen all the time.
Of course, if you do not know the ninja you're fighting, you have to assume some hidden skills, and learn what is real and what is not by trial and error. (And this is why it's crucial to be informed)
Other than Bizarre Effects or Unattained Skills, you need to rely on the genjutsu's own limitation. Especially in lower ranks, a genjutsu will only alter a couple of basic senses. Sometimes, a genjutsu can be purely visual, so, sounds associated with what the illusion is creating won't be produced, and you can use that to your advantage. Other times, you can see some light changes or superposition of images (for example, you may see an illusionary animal or clone that doesn't bend grass when it walks). You can see a tree constricting you but not hear it grow. etc etc. When a genjutsu breaks the B rank mark, it starts to complexify, especially in the hands of a good genjutsu user, and start to describe a richer experience, but even masters make mistakes, and even powerful genjutsus have limitations, you just need to explore them.
But as you fight, you'll start to get experience in seeing genjutsus and what to expect of them. Good?
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I understand neither of you have a lot of experience, but I thrust you've read few battles. Do you have anything to add, or some pretty innovative reason you read, on how a certain member recognized a genjutsu etc etc?
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I read some Battles before but there were no Genjutsu in them. However, I think I saw a Battle where I saw a Person is under a Genjutsu. But he used Chidori Nagashi to come out of it. How is this possible?
Also for me how can you figure out a timed genjutsu in time?
For example I battled someone who's genjutsu was that a clone of hers come to attack me when it gets in range it disperses and turns to flower petals. So how would I be able figure out the genjutsu in time? By the way I have no special abilities.
For example I battled someone who's genjutsu was that a clone of hers come to attack me when it gets in range it disperses and turns to flower petals. So how would I be able figure out the genjutsu in time? By the way I have no special abilities.
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That's because Chidori Nagashi acts as a full-body blast of elemental chakra. I will speak more about it when we get to the methods of breaking a Genjutsu, in a second. XD
You don't need no special abilities, only a keen eye and attention to details. I already gave you a great list of details for you to look for, now you need to apply them yourself. It will get easier in time. If you can find the exact thread it was used, though, we can try to analyze it together though.
Okay, so picking up on the trainining, and your mate's question, let's move on to Releasing a Genjutsu. Genjutsu is nothing more than disturbances to the chakra system, so all of the methods to disrupt it are, themselves, methods of disrupting your own chakra system, purging your opponent's chakra and allowing your chakra to return to normal. As you went into such depth about chakra surges, let's start with that. Some techniques, due to their mechanism, provoke a disruption on your chakra because all your chakra points are working at the same time, expelling chakra. These are usually quick and raw burst of chakra, elemental or not.
What you need to have in mind, though, is the strength of a Chakra Burst Technique vs a Genjutsu. Elemental Chakra Bursts and Specialized Chakra Bursts (Like Hyuuga Techniques) allow you to disrupt a Genjutsu 1 rank above, while Basic Chakra Burst allow only 2 ranks above. So, an A rank Genjutsu can only be disrupted by an S ranked Elemental Burst and a Forbidden rank Basic Burst.
Questions? Can you give me examples of Chakra Burst Type techniques? (Other than Chidori Nagashi)
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Post the actual techniques, please, not just their names. And post why you chose those techniques
This is where the battle was when I got caught in genjutsu.
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(Doton no Yoroi) - Earth Release Armor
Rank: B
Type: Defensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20 (-15 per turn to remain active)
Damage points: N/A (+10 to taijutsu moves)
Description: This Technique coats the users body with stones, making them much more resistant to attacks, at the cost of their speed. Whilst using this technique, the user can even change their appearance, but once the technique is either defeated or worn off the users original appearance is shown. The user whilst in this armor is resistant to A rank normal ninjutsu but is vulnerable to Lightning Techniques.
I pick this one because chakra has to be channeled out wards all over the body. It matches everything needed all my chakra points are working and my chakra is being excelled forward
Rank: B
Type: Defensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20 (-15 per turn to remain active)
Damage points: N/A (+10 to taijutsu moves)
Description: This Technique coats the users body with stones, making them much more resistant to attacks, at the cost of their speed. Whilst using this technique, the user can even change their appearance, but once the technique is either defeated or worn off the users original appearance is shown. The user whilst in this armor is resistant to A rank normal ninjutsu but is vulnerable to Lightning Techniques.
I pick this one because chakra has to be channeled out wards all over the body. It matches everything needed all my chakra points are working and my chakra is being excelled forward
(Doton: Domu) – Earth Release: Earth Spear Technique
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A (+10 to physical attacks)
Description: After performing the Snake hand seal the user will channel their chakra throughout their entire body, which then hardens their skin to a steel-like quality. This increases their defensive power to the utmost limits. The user’s skin also becomes much darker, an almost black colour. The destructive power of physical attacks is increased, making this a great, all purpose technique. But this technique when activated leaves the user vulnerable to lightning based techniques.
Another obvious one because chakra is pushed all through out the body and is once again pushed forward to harden the skin.
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A (+10 to physical attacks)
Description: After performing the Snake hand seal the user will channel their chakra throughout their entire body, which then hardens their skin to a steel-like quality. This increases their defensive power to the utmost limits. The user’s skin also becomes much darker, an almost black colour. The destructive power of physical attacks is increased, making this a great, all purpose technique. But this technique when activated leaves the user vulnerable to lightning based techniques.
Another obvious one because chakra is pushed all through out the body and is once again pushed forward to harden the skin.
(Raiton: Raigeki no Yoroi) - Lightning Release: Lightning Strike Armour
Rank: C
Type: Offense/Defence
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: The user surrounds themselves with electricity. The intense electric field protects them by electrocuting anyone who comes into contact with it, but only works for one attack.
Same as the others chakra must be working in every point and channeled on the edges of the body releasing the opponents gen
Rank: C
Type: Offense/Defence
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: The user surrounds themselves with electricity. The intense electric field protects them by electrocuting anyone who comes into contact with it, but only works for one attack.
Same as the others chakra must be working in every point and channeled on the edges of the body releasing the opponents gen
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(Raiton: Raigeki no Yoroi) - Lightning Release: Lightning Strike Armour
Rank: C
Type: Offense/Defence
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: The user surrounds themselves with electricity. The intense electric field protects them by electrocuting anyone who comes into contact with it, but only works for one attack.
Since The Chakra is created outside the User, The Opponent's Chakra would also come out.
(Doton no Yoroi) - Earth Release Armor
Rank: B
Type: Defensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20 (-15 per turn to remain active)
Damage points: N/A (+10 to taijutsu moves)
Description: This Technique coats the users body with stones, making them much more resistant to attacks, at the cost of their speed. Whilst using this technique, the user can even change their appearance, but once the technique is either defeated or worn off the users original appearance is shown. The user whilst in this armor is resistant to A rank normal ninjutsu but is vulnerable to Lightning Techniques.
The Chakra has focused outwards of our body which Will push out the Opponent's Chakra as well.
Rank: C
Type: Offense/Defence
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: The user surrounds themselves with electricity. The intense electric field protects them by electrocuting anyone who comes into contact with it, but only works for one attack.
Since The Chakra is created outside the User, The Opponent's Chakra would also come out.
(Doton no Yoroi) - Earth Release Armor
Rank: B
Type: Defensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20 (-15 per turn to remain active)
Damage points: N/A (+10 to taijutsu moves)
Description: This Technique coats the users body with stones, making them much more resistant to attacks, at the cost of their speed. Whilst using this technique, the user can even change their appearance, but once the technique is either defeated or worn off the users original appearance is shown. The user whilst in this armor is resistant to A rank normal ninjutsu but is vulnerable to Lightning Techniques.
The Chakra has focused outwards of our body which Will push out the Opponent's Chakra as well.
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The illusion mist technique is an easy one to recognize. I have told you a way to do it already. Does any of you want to guess? Read what I wrote before, and you'll find the answer.
As for the techniques you wrote, they're actually not correct. The first merely coats your skin with stone, it does not burst out anything. The second could work, but, in essence, it affects your skin, it's not expelled outwards. I'm looking for a burst, a quick release of raw energy/element
Again, there is a difference between using all chakra points and creating a chakra burst. The armour is lightning that surrounds the user in a very controlled way, it's not a chakra burst.
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Here is the tech that I know will work then !
Now reading what you wrote I think I know now ... But again I'm probably wrong haha.
You said I must have a keen eye sight and notice if the genjutsu breaks realities rule. Well when a someone is falling from the air, Usually the skin or clothes of the person begins to shake and go all over the place because of the air impact. If its real then it will happen but if its a genjutsu there facial structure and clothes will look as if there not even moving. I hope I explain it good enough
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Raiton: Chidori Nagashi) - Lightning Release: One Thousand Birds Current
Rank: A
Type: Offense/Defence
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: 60
Description: This jutsu allows the user to generate non-focused electrically charged chakra from their body. Because the electricity isn't focused, it doesn't kill on contact, instead it only paralyzes. The lightning can be channelled through metal objects, as well as spread out into the air or ground.
It does everything you ask, Releases chakra through out the body and expels it as a burst !
Rank: A
Type: Offense/Defence
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: 60
Description: This jutsu allows the user to generate non-focused electrically charged chakra from their body. Because the electricity isn't focused, it doesn't kill on contact, instead it only paralyzes. The lightning can be channelled through metal objects, as well as spread out into the air or ground.
It does everything you ask, Releases chakra through out the body and expels it as a burst !
Now reading what you wrote I think I know now ... But again I'm probably wrong haha.
You said I must have a keen eye sight and notice if the genjutsu breaks realities rule. Well when a someone is falling from the air, Usually the skin or clothes of the person begins to shake and go all over the place because of the air impact. If its real then it will happen but if its a genjutsu there facial structure and clothes will look as if there not even moving. I hope I explain it good enough
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That's the only one Tech I could think, Chidori Nagashi. And I have a summon which I can use for breaking Genjutsu of B-Rank or lower because the Summon will stand on my shoulder. After I notice a Genjutsu, the summon will use its Chakra and does a Surge into my Chakra breaking out of the Genjutsu.
Notice every detail around, even the Opponent. If the terrain or the sky suddenly changes, it means i am under a Genjutsu. If the opponent disappears, he must have used S/T Jutsu or Genjutsu. Well the difficult part is the Genjutsu which immobilizes us. The ways to see through is Sharingan or some other way which i don't know.
Notice every detail around, even the Opponent. If the terrain or the sky suddenly changes, it means i am under a Genjutsu. If the opponent disappears, he must have used S/T Jutsu or Genjutsu. Well the difficult part is the Genjutsu which immobilizes us. The ways to see through is Sharingan or some other way which i don't know.