Genius vs Genius

[Scryed]

With FTG restricted and MS restricted, Itachi wins. Minato already explained that SM isn't his forte due to how long it takes him to gather NE and he isn't able to maintain it for very long. If he's by himself with no support, he won't have a chance to gather it since he'll be focused on the fight itself.

Summonings are the worst thing he could do since Itachi could place them under his control. Ma and Pa for an infinite SM? If he were able to do it, he would've used it more often in the past but instead he said that he rarely used it in the past because of how inefficient it is (takes too long and lasts too little). This implies that merging with Ma and Pa is not something he has done. I won't give him that feat.

Itachi wins.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

With FTG restricted and MS restricted, Itachi wins. Minato already explained that SM isn't his forte due to how long it takes him to gather NE and he isn't able to maintain it for very long. If he's by himself with no support, he won't have a chance to gather it since he'll be focused on the fight itself.

Summonings are the worst thing he could do since Itachi could place them under his control. Ma and Pa for an infinite SM? If he were able to do it, he would've used it more often in the past but instead he said that he rarely used it in the past because of how inefficient it is (takes too long and lasts too little). This implies that merging with Ma and Pa is not something he has done. I won't give him that feat.

Itachi wins.

he doesn't need to use sm. Ma and pa simply sitting on his shoulder enables parter method by default.

 

[Uverdore9]

I've already countered everything you've said in my last post or do you want me to repeat myself lol? Better read my last post again.

3T Itachi simply doesn't stand a chance against Minato without FTG due to Minato's arsenal still being better and more powerful thant Itachi's.

@Bold Read the manga dude.

Cee said his reaction = base a.

Fact.

Itachi stomps him.

3t itachi isn't really that much of a threat tbh. the only problem is genjutsu, and even without going into SM, Ma or pa can sit on his shoulder to break any and all attempts via parter method.

Fireballs aint doing shit to minato. shuriken jutsu aint doing shit to minato, and if itachi tries taijutsu he's gonna get his back blown out by rasengan.

He parried with kcm naruto while holding back and evaded kcm + bee's best strike and landed some considerable distance back to nagato.

Itachi can control without being sensed.

A sharingan user like kakashi was scared when itachi showed him his basic sharingans.

Minato with partner method has no chance of breaking it.

Itachi's durability is excellent, he didnt crack from kcm naruto's strikes which are exceptionally strong.


Nagato could see from all sides still couldnt do anything about shurikens in fact he didnt realize it.

Kabuto exclaims that fact minato has no chance of avoiding shurikens.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Cee said his reaction = base a.

Fact.

Itachi stomps him.

Again Raikgae already had his Raiton armor on when Cee made those comments so check again. Besides Minato has already shown that he could easily react to Ay's full speed when they clashed during the third ninja war.

And Minato's speed feats are far superior than Itachi's as explained the previous post. Combined with Minato's superior arsenal its an easy win for Minato.

 

[Uverdore9]

Again Raikgae already had his Raiton armor on when Cee made those comments so check again. Besides Minato has already shown that he could easily react to Ay's full speed when they clashed during the third ninja war.

And Minato's speed feats are far superior than Itachi's as explained the previous post. Combined with Minato's superior arsenal its an easy win for Minato.

Itachi is too fast for minato.

 

[Animegoin]

Again Raikgae already had his Raiton armor on when Cee made those comments so check again. Besides Minato has already shown that he could easily react to Ay's full speed when they clashed during the third ninja war.

And Minato's speed feats are far superior than Itachi's as explained the previous post. Combined with Minato's superior arsenal its an easy win for Minato.

Lmfao talking to that guy is literally this:

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[Darth AniCetuS]

Lmfao talking to that guy is literally this:

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...true. The guy is a known troll in NDS.
He'll keep repeating the same nonsense over and over lol.

I've already made my point so I'll just ignore him.

 

[Scryed]

he doesn't need to use sm. Ma and pa simply sitting on his shoulder enables parter method by default.

Does it? Wouldn't that mean he'd use it more in the past since it would get rid of the reason why he said that he didn't use it in the past that often? Ma and Pa would eliminate the need to gather Sage chakra since they'd do it for him and then it would also allow him to keep it up much longer if not as long as he wants to.
Using this method is something he's never done before or isn't able to do based on his comment. It takes him long to gather Sage chakra and it doesn't last long when he does it himself so despite having a perfect SM, his body doesn't seem to be able to maintain it for very long. I question whether he could stay in SM for very long with Ma and Pa on his shoulders without consequences.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Does it? Wouldn't that mean he'd use it more in the past since it would get rid of the reason why he said that he didn't use it in the past that often? Ma and Pa would eliminate the need to gather Sage chakra since they'd do it for him and then it would also allow him to keep it up much longer if not as long as he wants to.
Using this method is something he's never done before or isn't able to do based on his comment. It takes him long to gather Sage chakra and it doesn't last long when he does it himself so despite having a perfect SM, his body doesn't seem to be able to maintain it for very long. I question whether he could stay in SM for very long with Ma and Pa on his shoulders without consequences.

Bro people are in the habit of giving feats where there aren't any based off of heavy speculation.

You make valid points.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Does it? Wouldn't that mean he'd use it more in the past since it would get rid of the reason why he said that he didn't use it in the past that often? Ma and Pa would eliminate the need to gather Sage chakra since they'd do it for him and then it would also allow him to keep it up much longer if not as long as he wants to
Using this method is something he's never done before or isn't able to do based on his comment. It takes him long to gather Sage chakra and it doesn't last long when he does it himself so despite having a perfect SM, his body doesn't seem to be able to maintain it for very long. I question whether he could stay in SM for very long with Ma and Pa on his shoulders without consequences.

your countering an argument that i never made :kk::kk::kk:

Summonings are the worst thing he could do since Itachi could place them under his control.

Physical contact can be used to break genjutsu through

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sitting on his shoulder = constant physical contact. Ma or pa can use sage techs by themselves. The shoulder sitting is simply to render itachi's best attribute useless.

Same logic can be applied to jman when he uses SM with toads. Outside of tsukuyomi genjutsu wont work on him.

 

[Master Omi]

your countering an argument that i never made :kk::kk::kk:



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sitting on his shoulder = constant physical contact. Ma or pa can use sage techs by themselves. The shoulder sitting is simply to render itachi's best attribute useless.

Same logic can be applied to jman when he uses SM with toads. Outside of tsukuyomi genjutsu wont work on him.

Not true, Itachi can control Ma or Pa and either having them instantly attack Minato lethally attack him or jump off Minato and threaten suicide if they don't surrender.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not true, Itachi can control Ma or Pa and either having them instantly attack Minato lethally attack him or jump off Minato and threaten suicide if they don't surrender.

minato is a sensor. If itachi attempts to control them he'll sense the change in chakra and disrupt it, if they jump off, he simply's ftg's them back to him.

 

[Master Omi]

minato is a sensor. If itachi attempts to control them he'll sense the change in chakra and disrupt it, if they jump off, he simply's ftg's them back to him.

Minato being a sensor doesn't mean he'll be able to sense the genjutsu quickly enough, especially if he's not expecting it, at that moment. Minato doesn't have a tag on Ma or Pa. Even if he could FTG him, by taking his attention of Itachi, he would leave himself open for Itachi's attacks.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Minato being a sensor doesn't mean he'll be able to sense the genjutsu quickly enough, especially if he's not expecting it, at that moment.

its between the 3 of them. Itachi isn't catching 2 of them at once, so if one gets caught the other 2 will know.

Minato doesn't have a tag on Ma or Pa.

so youre saying hes gonna summon them. . . and not tag them . . . cuz that's logical.

Even if he could FTG him, by taking his attention of Itachi, he would leave himself open for Itachi's attacks.

false since ftg requires no hand seals. so he can keep all attention on itachi while summoning the frog back.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Not true, Itachi can control Ma or Pa and either having them instantly attack Minato lethally attack him or jump off Minato and threaten suicide if they don't surrender.

Maa and Paa could simply keep their eyes closed while they're on Minato's shoulder. That is enough.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Maa and Paa could simply keep their eyes closed while they're on Minato's shoulder. That is enough.

this too. tbh i never realized how op this "sit on shoulder" method is. jman just went up a couple notches for this hidden/latent benefit. its kinda like being a perfect jin

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

this too. tbh i never realized how op this "sit on shoulder" method is. jman just went up a couple notches for this hidden/latent benefit. its kinda like being a perfect jin

Indeed he gained a new set of abilities just by summoning those two in battle and the fusion SM granted him near unlimited chakra.

 

[Master Omi]

its between the 3 of them. Itachi isn't catching 2 of them at once, so if one gets caught the other 2 will know.

so youre saying hes gonna summon them. . . and not tag them . . . cuz that's logical.

false since ftg requires no hand seals. so he can keep all attention on itachi while summoning the frog back.

- They wouldn't know instantly, and if not they would be vulnerable to attack.

- That's assuming that Minato would feel the need to tag them. Minato doesn't tag all of his comrades and Ma and Pa are on his shoulders so he wouldn't necessarily feel the need to tag them.

- If Ma or Pa jump off his shoulder, than threaten to or attempt to commit suicide, Minato's attention is likely to shift to the summon who's being controlled.

 

[salamander uchiha]

- They wouldn't know instantly, and if not they would be vulnerable to attack.

- That's assuming that Minato would feel the need to tag them. Minato doesn't tag all of his comrades and Ma and Pa are on his shoulders so he wouldn't necessarily feel the need to tag them.

- If Ma or Pa jump off his shoulder, than threaten to or attempt to commit suicide, Minato's attention is likely to shift to the summon who's being controlled.

There's no FTG available in the OP it and MS were restricted for a reason.

OT: I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me how Minato who can't control his chakra in SM or maintain it very long manages to use it alongside Ma and Pa. That is if he can even summon Ma or Pa.

I'm reading a lot D riding but no facts/scans to confirm D Rider feats. Using Naruto and Jiraiya as a basis to establish feats for Minato who himself downplayed his SM is BS.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- They wouldn't know instantly, and if not they would be vulnerable to attack.

- That's assuming that Minato would feel the need to tag them. Minato doesn't tag all of his comrades and Ma and Pa are on his shoulders so he wouldn't necessarily feel the need to tag them.

- If Ma or Pa jump off his shoulder, than threaten to or attempt to commit suicide, Minato's attention is likely to shift to the summon who's being controlled.

-they are sages, so they too are sensors. so yes they would know isntantly

-given his opponent yes. Hed tag them/ give them his chakra.

-if they do so he'd know that they're in genjutsu(either by virtue of him being a sensor, or by virtue of the other sage telling him) and summon them back, all while remaining focused on itachi.

Here's an in manga example since you don't get it:

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clone is focused on obito
summons the original to him
Still focused on obito

In Fact i'll do you one extra. Lets assume minato stops focusing on itachi. That does not prevent the other frog from focusing on itachi, meaning that he technically still isn't "open for attack".

And this is all assuming that itachi can even get them under genjutsu.