Basically your premise shows that its practically useless strategy. You admit its not going to work yet alone use Karin as example somehow replicates that the gust of wind from Hiru, along with a make believe number of power it packs.
when did I say that? Are you failing to understand what I'm saying. If karins punch can force hydration then Hirudora can for hydration. But unlike karin who's only splattering him over a couple feat, Hirudora is splattering him over a couple miles.
Mine is more probable from the fact that the position he was with the clam was as he was already there then attacking Gaara and quickly reaches the clam. The mirage notice that he has been on the defence while searching for the clam.
no they can't. Since the clone copies the original and the original can't. Hence why jokey boy was made. If basic water clones can explode then jokey boy is pointless.
1. Flaws with DB, the translator stated its incomplete. Even some of its sentences dont make sense.
when did I say that? Are you failing to understand what I'm saying. If karins punch can force hydration then Hirudora can for hydration. But unlike karin who's only splattering him over a couple feat, Hirudora is splattering him over a couple miles.
I understand. You want me to believe that Mizukage will splatter when he needs to embrace the impact from Hiru from afar, like everyone in Turtle Island, or what happened vs Obito[
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Pretty sure I am considering your implication makes no sense.
You want me to believe he just ran off in time to be with the clam, despite manga making it clear that Gaara's attack was as recent to Mirage words that his orignal body isn't even in that location:
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Plus always was playing defence against it while looking for the clam.
no they can't. Since the clone copies the original and the original can't. Hence why jokey boy was made. If basic water clones can explode then jokey boy is pointless.
I understand. You want me to believe that Mizukage will splatter when he needs to embrace the impact from Hiru from afar, like everyone in Turtle Island, or what happened vs Obito[
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no you don't understand. I'm saying that when Hirudora hits him directly that's how far the water that makes up his body is gonna go flying. I cant make that any clearer.
Pretty sure I am considering your implication makes no sense.
it makes just as much sense if not more sense as your implications. All 3 are possible, and you trying to invalidate mine, dosen't make yours more valid, after all the entire ordeal was off panel. Leaving you with speculative guess work that you're trying to shove down my throat.
You want me to believe he just ran off in time to be with the clam,
yeah that scan isn't proving what you're claiming Garra could be talking to a mirage while the real him sees the sensing sand around his clam. Then he simply has the mirage speak to garra. Garra isn't shown taking any new hits or damage in either scan. Further proving my point.
Plus always was playing defence against it while looking for the clam.
attacking is pointless. Gengetsu made that clear. So garra's been playing defence ever since the fight started. And even if he was on the offensive attacking mirages him switching to defense mid fight wouldn't stop mizukage from changing location sick until the clam is destroyed they would have no means of finding him.
you can't even prove either or. The fact that there's options in this situation make any of your arguments weak, since you're leaving room for speculation.
The orignal can't copy its own clone despite the clone copies the mizukage's ability?
jokey boy isn't his ability. Or to be more literal Gengetsu can't use infinite explosions with his own body. Therefore basic water clones (not jokey boy) which copy the original can't explode.
@Bold, not it isn't since its not focused nor can it be used in a finite amount of times.
no you don't understand. I'm saying that when Hirudora hits him directly that's how far the water that makes up his body is gonna go flying. I cant make that any clearer.
You said Joki boi along the original gets caught in the blast. Your assuming Guy knows his location, and fires Hiru at Joki and dragged it along with Gengetsu's hiding spot?
it makes just as much sense if not more sense as your implications. All 3 are possible, and you trying to invalidate mine, dosen't make yours more valid, after all the entire ordeal was off panel. Leaving you with speculative guess work that you're trying to shove down my throat.
yeah that scan isn't proving what you're claiming Garra could be talking to a mirage while the real him sees the sensing sand around his clam. Then he simply has the mirage speak to garra. Garra isn't shown taking any new hits or damage in either scan. Further proving my point.
attacking is pointless. Gengetsu made that clear. So garra's been playing defence ever since the fight started. And even if he was on the offensive attacking mirages him switching to defense mid fight wouldn't stop mizukage from changing location sick until the clam is destroyed they would have no means of finding him.
jokey boy isn't his ability. Or to be more literal Gengetsu can't use infinite explosions with his own body. Therefore basic water clones (not jokey boy) which copy the original can't explode.
Premise 1:Gengetsu can't explode finite amount of time.
Premise 2:Gengetsu can't explode at all.
Conclusion: Therefore other clones can't explode.
I agree with premise 1, but premise 2 makes no sense.
The original must be able to use the priorities of his clones otherwise Joki or original should not not have the ability to manipulate the oil to heat and cool down. That is strictly base on the original control over his body/ability.
In no way can he have make his clone learn it. Mziukage can manipulate water and oil from his body is fact.
Therefore a clone can manipulate water and oil from its body.
Regardless of percentage, DB makes it clear Mizukage can manipulate the percentage power of a clone.
And clones still carry the priorities as Gengetsu's ability.
I said the blast sends his body(which would be a puddle of water) flying. I never said the blast/aoe is what hits him. It's what carries/spreads whats left of his body over the distance of an island as seen in bold.
Your assuming Guy knows his location, and fires Hiru at Joki and dragged it along with Gengetsu's hiding spot?
yes. I see no reason why guy would let his opponent leave his line of sight. Jokey boy is akin to Kisame's gsb and shouldn't have any more durability than it. Or better yet, liken it to susanno. It still gets caught in the jaws of Hirudora while it goes to hit Gengetsu. If it gets in the way. If it dosen't then Gengetsu gets the full brunt and turns into water, the blast happens and his body gets scattered over the distance of an island.
if you could then you wouldn't give the possibility of clones being involved. You'd simply prove it. Instead where here speculating on what happened.
Two different premise your making.
Premise 1:Gengetsu can't explode finite amount of time.
Premise 2:Gengetsu can't explode at all.
Conclusion: Therefore other clones can't explode.
I agree with premise 1, but premise 2 makes no sense.
The original must be able to use the priorities of his clones otherwise Joki or original should not not have the ability to manipulate the oil to heat and cool down. That is strictly base on the original control over his body/ability.
Jokey boy is a variant that's why it gains abilities the mizukage dosen't have, unless you think itachi can explode(shadow clone bomb(variant of shadow clone) or kakashi can turn into lightning(lightning shadow clone (variant of clone)). If the mizukage could explode he'd retain the ability to reform. That ability would extend to his standard water clones, and make jokey boy (as I've been saying) pointless.
but if his clone could do it (according to you this is your logic not mine) he could do it. And if he can do it is water clones which copy his abilities can do it. Making jokey boy being able to do it a waste of chakra.
Regardless of percentage, DB makes it clear Mizukage can manipulate the percentage power of a clone.
no I didn't. I'll post what I said cuz u seem to be confused.
I said the blast sends his body(which would be a puddle of water) flying. I never said the blast/aoe is what hits him. It's what carries/spreads whats left of his body over the distance of an island as seen in bold.
yes. I see no reason why guy would let his opponent leave his line of sight. Jokey boy is akin to Kisame's gsb and shouldn't have any more durability than it. Or better yet, liken it to susanno. It still gets caught in the jaws of Hirudora while it goes to hit Gengetsu. If it gets in the way. If it dosen't then Gengetsu gets the full brunt and turns into water, the blast happens and his body gets scattered over the distance of an island.
You said: "He could just ran off in time to be with the clam."
Thats wrong because he was spotted with the clam, when Gaara attached sand on him along with the clam. Despite Gaara was recently attacked and Mirage stating he was no where near their location to begin with.
Relevant because his position remained postal as stated above. You can't show "no sign of him moving in the first place" and say "he pretended he was always there".
Jokey boy is a variant that's why it gains abilities the mizukage dosen't have, unless you think itachi can explode(shadow clone bomb(variant of shadow clone) or kakashi can turn into lightning(lightning shadow clone (variant of clone)). If the mizukage could explode he'd retain the ability to reform. That ability would extend to his standard water clones, and make jokey boy (as I've been saying) pointless.
I see your point. I'll discard the point that Mizu can use his clone variant ability. But it doesn't make it "pointless", since Water Clones aren't being use finite amount of time.
but if his clone could do it (according to you this is your logic not mine) he could do it. And if he can do it is water clones which copy his abilities can do it. Making jokey boy being able to do it a waste of chakra.
I discard the point the the original can do it, not necessary his clones in general. Not necessarily waste of chakra to use Joki, since they aren't focused as Joki Boi nor can they explode no more then once.
unless Gengetsu is starting the match hidden he can't be hiding. It's quite simple. He can't use jokey boy as a replacement for himself since jokey boy looks chibi, and Mizu clones are no threat since they can't explode. He Can't hide his presence while jokey boy is out either.
I pretty much argue this with KG (which I expect to reply next thing in the morning).
his mirage pretends to be there while he moves. If it's the genjutsu doing damage(which its not since genjutsu can't do physical damage) then this argument is pointless. If it was clones then the clones would still be there when the genjutsu ends.
I see your point. I'll discard the point that Mizu can use his clone variant ability. But it doesn't make it "pointless", since Water Clones aren't being use finite amount of time.
it does. The ability to explode and reform is jokey's specific ability. If the mizukage could do it his standsard clones would be able to do it. You're gonna have to prove proof he can explode and then prove it's only limited to 1 explosion.
I discard the point the the original can do it, not necessary his clones in general. Not necessarily waste of chakra to use Joki, since they aren't focused as Joki Boi nor can they explode no more then once.
unless Gengetsu is starting the match hidden he can't be hiding. It's quite simple. He can't use jokey boy as a replacement for himself since jokey boy looks chibi, and Mizu clones are no threat since they can't explode. He Can't hide his presence while jokey boy is out either.
There werent much sand compare to the last scan shown either. Especially when we see a whole white line that sand hasnt attached to where Mizu was standing on.
his mirage pretends to be there while he moves. If it's the genjutsu doing damage(which its not since genjutsu can't do physical damage) then this argument is pointless. If it was clones then the clones would still be there when the genjutsu ends.
it does. The ability to explode and reform is jokey's specific ability. If the mizukage could do it his standsard clones would be able to do it. You're gonna have to prove proof he can explode and then prove it's only limited to 1 explosion.
You and I already conclude Mizukage has the ability to manipulate clone variant. So I only need to prove that he has the ability of clone variant to do it.
you claimed(or implied really dosen't matter, since it's the only way Hirudora dosen't crap on him at match start) Gengetsu would be hiding. Since that's the only guy wouldn't know his location, and the only reason guy would waste his time with jokey. He wouldn't. Jokey isn't out as match start. Nor is any standard clones genjutsu dosen't have any feats of breaking Line of sight to setup clone traps and feints. And the one time he did it in manga wasn't due to him. It was garra's sand tech.
There werent much sand compare to the last scan shown either. Especially when we see a whole white line that sand hasnt attached to where Mizu was standing on.
Mirage statement is present tense, that he wasn't there to begin with.
Not by mirages statement and not by the position Mizu was shown already been.
Ok imma just drop this cycle. As I known the moment I mention the clone comes back to help Mizukage, your going to just argue the process vise versa.
we can argue about the process all day but it comes down to two hard facts.
1.Genjutsu can't cause physical damage.
2.Had he used clones to do physical damage to garra and his squad all of the clones would still be in attendance when the mirage ends.
Whatever conclusions you want to draw must include those 2 facts.
the only clone variant we know he can manipulate is jokey boy.
If you're gonna sit here and say he can make a water clone with more that 10% that not jokey boy imma ask u for the manga scans of him doing so. Otherwise it's fanfiction.
