Gengetsu vs Guy

[Brother Numpsay]

And with no mirage it's not going to take Gai long to find him, especially since this match starts with both of them in each other's line of sight. Keeping track of who goes far away isn't going to be an issue. Hell, Gai doesn't even have to let any clone get out of his field of view, rendering this strategy useless.

The environment works perfectly still, how would he know to find him? Mizukage can still troll him, and even have a clone hide himself to pretend its the orignal.

@Bold how?

None of those clones are dangerous except for the one that looks nothing like the original, so all he needs to do is wipe out the ones that look exactly like the original until he finds the original. There's no confusion about that. It's a simple, straightforward plan.

Clones are dangerous since they fire bullets that easily tears through his body and vital points. Lets not forget that Joki only looks different when Mizukage is ready to activate the jutsu ability from a clone. He can keep his

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[TRE MERCER]

Gai ends him with Asa Kujaku. Fire and oil causes explosions which means gg once they meet each other.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Gai ends him with Asa Kujaku. Fire and oil causes explosions which means gg once they meet each other.​

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[TRE MERCER]

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What's so funny about that?​

 

[KidGamer65]

The environment works perfectly still, how would he know to find him? Mizukage can still troll him, and even have a clone hide himself to pretend its the orignal

He'd have to actually be able to break away from Gai to hide, or to make it a situation where Gai won't be able to find him.

@Bold how?

If he sees that a clone is about to get too far away, he obliterates it.

Clones are dangerous since they fire bullets that easily tears through his body and vital points.

1. Never gonna hit Gai.

2. They are water clones. 10% of your chakra. They aren't dangerous at all when talking about someone like 6G Gai and above.

Lets not forget that Joki only looks different when Mizukage is ready to activate the jutsu ability from a clone. He can keep his

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It absolutely has to go through that process before it blows up. Gai would notice it expanding, and know not to carelessly hit it, and even if he did, a simple kick/punch/nunchaku attack won't be enough to destroy it, so eventually he'd realize it's not the original.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

He'd have to actually be able to break away from Gai to hide, or to make it a situation where Gai won't be able to find him.

Considering he end up out fooling Gaara (when the genjutsu was taken care of already), scouting ability, who has environment range attacks, plus Onoki's, I find it possible.

If he sees that a clone is about to get too far away, he obliterates it.

His attacks he relies on it will end up blowing on his face.

1. Never gonna hit Gai.

2. They are water clones. 10% of your chakra. They aren't dangerous at all when talking about someone like 6G Gai and above.

Potentially sniping is all the matters and the fact that using gates will just conduct heat for them to explode on him. Keep in mind Im not talking about in infinite process version.

Nope

Considering it was stuck in between sand, not much body movement is needed to explode.

It absolutely has to go through that process before it blows up. Gai would notice it expanding, and know not to carelessly hit it,

Never said it didn't... @Bold, base on what? Last time I check Guy is not the best being analytical with these type of stuff. Plus stop hitting it isn't going to stop it from absorbing heat still and explode.

and even if he did, a simple kick/punch/nunchaku attack won't be enough to destroy it, so eventually he'd realize it's not the original.

The same thing on the original, since he is an Hozuki...

 

[Beans2]

Water clones are absolute fodder, they only have 10% of the originals power. Zabuza arc Sasuke blitzed like 6 of them. Now we have a trollkage, who's already weakened from using Joki Boy, against 7th Gate Gai, who was pushing back JJ Madara...

The blitz is real.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Water clones are absolute fodder, they only have 10% of the originals power. Zabuza arc Sasuke blitzed like 6 of them. Now we have a trollkage, who's already weakened from using Joki Boy, against 7th Gate Gai, who was pushing back JJ Madara...

The blitz is real.

-10 percent of Zabuza =/= 10% Gengetsu.

-Right, Gengetsu using clones isn't smart to be in the field to begin with, as his jutsu is base on hiding and sitting out to let the clones do the work.

Difference between Water Clone from Mizukage is that they carry oil which is easily sensitive to heat. They dont need to be Joki Boi to explode, as one time, before disperse, will suffice.

 

[KidGamer65]

Considering he end up out fooling Gaara (when the genjutsu was taken care of already), scouting ability, who has environment range attacks, plus Onoki's, I find it possible.

The Genjutsu being taken care of doesn't matter, it still gave him time to get out of his opponent's field of vision, making it much easier to hide. What you are suggesting is that he runs away in plain sight and tries to hide, as if Gai won't be able to stop him or find him.

His attacks he relies on it will end up blowing on his face.

Considering he'll know which one isn't the original, he has no reason to go for it.

Potentially sniping is all the matters

There is no "potentially". Without Gai being disabled, they simply aren't hitting him.

and the fact that using gates will just conduct heat for them to explode on him.

Water Clones don't explode. Joki Boy does. Not to mention there is zero evidence that Gates creates enough heat for the clones to explode just by being in contact with him.

Keep in mind Im not talking about in infinite process version.

There is only one version of Joki Boy. That's it.

Considering it was stuck in between sand, not much body movement is needed to explode.

Irrelevant. It exploded because it fully expanded. Movement isn't even relevant here.

Never said it didn't...

Then he notices it expanding, and ignores it, and takes out the original.

@Bold, base on what? Last time I check Guy is not the best being analytical with these type of stuff.

Lol, yes guys. When Gai's goal is to take out the original, he'll waste time with a clone that is expanding uncontrollably, which usually constitutes some kind of explosion. Lmao. Gai not being "analytical" is an extremely weak argument considering it doesn't take any analytical ability to stick to a simple plan of "Defeat the original, ignore unnecessary clones, and not to hit the giant expanding thing that is also a clone, which he doesn't even need to deal with to beat the original".

Plus stop hitting it isn't going to stop it from absorbing heat still and explode.

Whether or not it explodes is irrelevant, because Gai won't be near it when it explodes, he'll be killing the original Gengetsu.

The same thing on the original, since he is an Hozuki...

Water clones are made of water. They die with a single hit. The original's body isn't going to matter.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The Genjutsu being taken care of doesn't matter, it still gave him time to get out of his opponent's field of vision, making it much easier to hide. What you are suggesting is that he runs away in plain sight and tries to hide, as if Gai won't be able to stop him or find him.

The thing is he got out of opponents field of vision from the impact Onoki made to destroy the clam. Im suggesting Clones do the same for him, if it means exploding for diversion.

Considering he'll know which one isn't the original, he has no reason to go for it.

I was under the assertion of Mizukage's Clone exploding without the need of being Joki.

Water Clones don't explode. Joki Boy does. Not to mention there is zero evidence that Gates creates enough heat for the clones to explode just by being in contact with him.

Now that I think of it it was never confirmed what type of clone Miukage makes. Anyway Mizukage Clone =/= Water Clone because clones carry the same priorities as the orignal and Mizu isn't just a puddle of water. Which we know when attacked Gaara[

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There is only one version of Joki Boy. That's it.

Im aware of that. But I see it possible that Mizu clone should be able to replicate Joki since they both carry the same body, while Joki is more focus to work finite amount of time, sacrificing the original via vulnerability.

Irrelevant. It exploded because it fully expanded. Movement isn't even relevant here.

My original point is base on the fact that encountering a Clone, which starts off looking like Mizu, can end up becoming actually Joki.

Then he notices it expanding, and ignores it, and takes out the original.

If premise I provided in the first rebuttal works (hide Clone and have them explode to create diversions to hide) then the gamble begins.

Lol, yes guys. When Gai's goal is to take out the original, he'll waste time with a clone that is expanding uncontrollably, which usually constitutes some kind of explosion. Lmao. Gai not being "analytical" is an extremely weak argument considering it doesn't take any analytical ability to stick to a simple plan of "Defeat the original, ignore unnecessary clones, and not to hit the giant expanding thing that is also a clone, which he doesn't even need to deal with to beat the original".

Then ill drop this reasoning.

Whether or not it explodes is irrelevant, because Gai won't be near it when it explodes, he'll be killing the original Gengetsu.

If my premise works the battle ends with a gamble.

Water clones are made of water. They die with a single hit. The original's body isn't going to matter.

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[BenjerminGaye]

Given the location 1 Hirudora ends him and his jokey boy.
good luck reforming when you're body is blasted over the distance of an entire island.


@brother nempsy: Water clones don't and will not function like jokey boy. If they did then jokey boy as a whole would be pointless.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Given the location 1 Hirudora ends him and his jokey boy.
good luck reforming when you're body is blasted over the distance of an entire island.

Hiru isn't island buster..

@brother nempsy: Water clones don't and will not function like jokey boy. If they did then jokey boy as a whole would be pointless.

Was never stated his clones is base on Water Clone and by feats the clones attacks are base more oil then water, shown against Gaara.

Joki isn't pointless since it explodes finite amount of times, with the cost of orignal body weakening.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Hiru isn't island buster..

noted but the force of the blast is Island wide.

Was never stated his clones is base on Water Clone and by feats the clones attacks are base more oil then water, shown against Gaara.

He didn't use water clones against garra(to the best of my memory correct me if I'm wrong). Jokey boy is a subset of water clone but that dosen't mean it gains jokey boy's explosive properties.

Joki isn't pointless since it explodes finite amount of times, with the cost of orignal body weakening.

it is pointless if water clone can do it at lower chakra cost.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

noted but the force of the blast is Island wide.

If its island wide then the force should be able to break down anything on island with its pressure, which practically means you think its still island buster..

He didn't use water clones against garra(to the best of my memory correct me if I'm wrong).

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Either you take it as clone or Mirages can attack back.

Jokey boy is a subset of water clone but that dosen't mean it gains jokey boy's explosive properties.

Not sure what your saying here.

it is pointless if water clone can do it at lower chakra cost.

When was it confirmed that Mizu uses Water Clones to make clones?

 

[Beans2]

-10 percent of Zabuza =/= 10% Gengetsu.

K. Gengetsu > Zabuza in chakra, even if weakened from using JB.
But 7th Gate Gai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 tomoe Sasuke in blitzing power.

-Right, Gengetsu using clones isn't smart to be in the field to begin with, as his jutsu is base on hiding and sitting out to let the clones do the work.

Then he gets blitzed because he has literally no way of hiding from Gai.

Difference between Water Clone from Mizukage is that they carry oil which is easily sensitive to heat. They dont need to be Joki Boi to explode, as one time, before disperse, will suffice.

It doesn't matter if they are sensitive to heat, since Gai doesn't need Asakujaku to kill them. They are blitzed with zero difficulty.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If its island wide then the force should be able to break down anything on island with its pressure, which practically means you think its still island buster..

I never said it was island buster. I said it's force is island wide.

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Once it hits hydration users their bodies break up as per usual and the force of the blast will spread them over the distance of an island.

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Either you take it as clone or Mirages can attack back.

or he changed location. He doesn't have to be on the clan to do the mirage.

Not sure what your saying here.

water clones are water and don't gain the explosive bonus of oil that jokey boy has.

When was it confirmed that Mizu uses Water Clones to make clones?

common sense ain't so common.

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[Brother Numpsay]

K. Gengetsu > Zabuza in chakra, even if weakened from using JB.
But 7th Gate Gai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 tomoe Sasuke in blitzing power.

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Then he gets blitzed because he has literally no way of hiding from Gai.

If Guy jumps to Gates, might be a problem, which not expected to do. Diversions through clones, explosions mainly help for LoS.

It doesn't matter if they are sensitive to heat, since Gai doesn't need Asakujaku to kill them. They are blitzed with zero difficulty.

Good thing he and the clones carries priorities of Hozuki to deal with physical harms.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I never said it was island buster. I said it's force is island wide.

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yamato agrees.

Once it hits hydration users their bodies break up as per usual and the force of the blast will spread them over the distance of an island.

Well base on feats the force isn't killing anyone as your suggesting.

or he changed location. He doesn't have to be on the clan to do the mirage.

@Bold: Proof? Never said he doesn't have to be on the clam. Doesn't change the fact that he was when Gaara was under attack

water clones are water and don't gain the explosive bonus of oil that jokey boy has.

Mizukage Clones carry oil not just Joki

common sense ain't so common.

I obviously know what a Mizubushin is. That doesn't change what I said of confirmation, that Gengetsu uses this type. If it was Mizubushin then Joki boi is 10% of a clone which is obviously wrong.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well base on feats the force isn't killing anyone as your suggesting.

dosen't have to kill him. Just hit him hard enough for his body to turn to water. If karin's punch can do it, then Hirudora is doing it 1000 times over.

@Bold: Proof? Never said he doesn't have to be on the clam. Doesn't change the fact that he was when Gaara was under attack

you're speculating that he used Mizu bunshin to attack garra.
I'm speculating that he attacked garra then went back to the clam when the sand found him.
You also speculated that the mirage can attack.
You're no more correct than I am.

Yeah it does since we only see him on the clam after the fact. Not during.

Mizukage Clones carry oil not just Joki

but they don't explode like joki.

I obviously know what a Mizubushin is. That doesn't change what I said of confirmation, that Gengetsu uses this type. If it was Mizubushin then Joki boi is 10% of a clone which is obviously wrong.

Joki Boi

Nindaime Mizukage's strong point is a variation of Mizubushin, that's body enters into a water like state, due to heat causing evaporation. Over a certain period of time this causes the water vapor to explode. Takes on the form of a small child, though over time it expands. A short while after one explosion another one will be prepared. While the explosion is stored in it's own body, it's movements and attacks are quick and nimble, evasion is extremely difficult. Attempts to escape are overtaken and swallowed up by the explosion.

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[Brother Numpsay]

dosen't have to kill him. Just hit him hard enough for his body to turn to water. If karin's punch can do it, then Hirudora is doing it 1000 times over.

Basically your premise shows that its practically useless strategy. You admit its not going to work yet alone use Karin as example somehow replicates that the gust of wind from Hiru, along with a make believe number of power it packs.

you're speculating that he used Mizu bunshin to attack garra.
I'm speculating that he attacked garra then went back to the clam when the sand found him.
You also speculated that the mirage can attack.
You're no more correct than I am.

Mine is more probable from the fact that the position he was with the clam was as he was already there then attacking Gaara and quickly reaches the clam. The mirage notice that he has been on the defence while searching for the clam, it could have easily picked up Mizu running back and forth camouflage

@Bold Lol what, no I didn't.

but they don't explode like joki.

If the clone can manipulate oil and water from its body then yes they can.

Joki Boi

Nindaime Mizukage's strong point is a variation of Mizubushin, that's body enters into a water like state, due to heat causing evaporation. Over a certain period of time this causes the water vapor to explode. Takes on the form of a small child, though over time it expands. A short while after one explosion another one will be prepared. While the explosion is stored in it's own body, it's movements and attacks are quick and nimble, evasion is extremely difficult. Attempts to escape are overtaken and swallowed up by the explosion.

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1. Flaws with DB, the translator stated its incomplete. Even some of its sentences dont make sense.
2. I could take a clear transaltion from Manga or this.
3. Even if I were to accept DB unclear trans: It dif states Mizkage knows how to alter the Bushin strength percentage then the average 10%.