[Discussion] Gedo Mazo: An Analysis

[pervi sensei]

its a summon whoich is used to capture a bijju's chakra

 

[NarutoKage2]

i think the statue is more of a container than a jutsu. Negato used the nine phantom dragon sealing jutsu when sealing the tailed beast chara. And also i think the swirl marks are more hapenstance because its from the wood element(i think) and its just item detail. The swirl mark isnt the Uzumaki seal its the symbol of the whirlpool village where the uzumaki are from before it was destroyed.

Naruto's seal, assuming its Uzumaki in origin, highly likely considering as how his mom was an uzumaki looks exactly like that swirl. Its not just the symbol of the whirlpool village. And wood element has nothing to do with it(directly).

This is nice but I believe the only reason Madara cannot summon Gedo Mazo is because Tobi is using it at this moment in time. Gedo Mazo is said to be the summoning of the Rinnegan so I believe any Rinnegan wielder would be able to summon it, not necessarily someone who has Uzumaki blood.

Well, Sasuke and Itachi can both wield susanoo, unless you're calling it a summon, bu then where is the contract...? And this is one hell of a summon to be able to seal all tailed beasts within itself.

An Excelent Theory , yet again from you , Dude you inspire me !

You have a great Theory , it has very detailed structure , wat I respect.

Also , This Theory makes sense.

That's why I +rep

Thanks.

the first theory that makes sense on Why Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan

Exactly, that's the idea.

I mean, why would Tobi want to wait till he gets even older, and till after Nagato dies to take the rinnegan from him?

 

[TobisPawn]

Did Nagato make one? It seems to me he summoned it for the first time against Hanzou without having to sign any contracts. Also, we haven't seen Tobi sign any contracts, so i'm just assuming he wouldn't have to..........

Oh yeah, forgot about Nagato. Never mind.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Interesting read. You know, Uzushiogakure village destruction, Nagato's birth and Madara's death all happened around the same time. There is some connection.

And like others said, first theory that makes sense why Tobi gave Nagato the rinnegan.

 

[Ryuu..]

Well, Sasuke and Itachi can both wield susanoo, unless you're calling it a summon, bu then where is the contract...? And this is one hell of a summon to be able to seal all tailed beasts within itself.

No, I don't think Susanoo is a summon. I just don't see where someone would have to sign a contract to summon Gedo Mazo; I simply see it as being an ability/benefit of possessing the Rinnegan, which is why the Rinnegan is so OP.......

 

[blackbird31468]

Don't get mad.

I was just joking.

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not mad just confused

 

[Narutosixpaths]

I really like the idea of this theory it's a nice well thought out, all and all a good piece of work. Though as I was reading this, along time ago, I made a thread involving the Gedo Statue not about why Tobi would want Nagato to have it for awhile first or about why the Uzumaki blood would cause a new power unlocked in the Rinnegan, but what I thought I could make a connection between was this, The Uzumaki and Senju both being descendants of the sage and distant blood relatives of eachother, Hashirama Senju the ultimate Mokuton user, who's mokuton was so great as to be able to be used, to subdue tailed beasts makes me wonder if perhaps long ago seing as the Sage would've possessed the Mokuton of the senju and sealing of the Uzumaki, maybe he used his Mokuton to craft the Gedo Mazo Statue, and then used his incredible sealing jutsu, to make it so strong as to hold Tailed beasts, perhaps as a plan for his successor as he said who was to reunite all of the beasts again in the right path, or maybe just to hold the jubi till he divided it up with his unlimited Izangi. Therefore, showing that these distant blood relatives when their blood Lines were still together, before dividing, (maybe the only person ever to still have the blood lines united in one person was the sage I can't prove that) had the potential to craft works on par with Gedo Mazo.

 

[NarutoKage2]

i really like this theory i always thought that naruto has to be related to the sage of six path somehow and this fits the bill plus the tobi and rinnigan theory sounds good

Thanks. The seal on Naruto is Uzumaki in origin, the Uzumaki being related to the Sage could explain why Kurama said: 'This is the Sage of 6 paths...' when Naruto controlled him.

You're looking too much into it. -rep

For the heck of it, i'll plus rep anyone who agrees to neg rep this idiot.

Interesting read. You know, Uzushiogakure village destruction, Nagato's birth and Madara's death all happened around the same time. There is some connection.

And like others said, first theory that makes sense why Tobi gave Nagato the rinnegan.

Possibly. There are many angles to look at it from, the 3rd Ninja World War was raging, and many mysteries surround that time.

No, I don't think Susanoo is a summon. I just don't see where someone would have to sign a contract to summon Gedo Mazo; I simply see it as being an ability/benefit of possessing the Rinnegan, which is why the Rinnegan is so OP.......

That's also what i believe, but until Edo Madara uses it with his rinnegan, i'm sticking to this theory.

 

[shadedcrow]

Naruto's seal, assuming its Uzumaki in origin, highly likely considering as how his mom was an uzumaki looks exactly like that swirl. Its not just the symbol of the whirlpool village. And wood element has nothing to do with it(directly).

dude she said it was the symbol of the village of the whirlpools lol and its not just narutos seal ninja of the leaf wear the symbol of the whirlpool village because of their close ties before it was destroyed. lol yeah... and its not just naruto who has the symbol of the whirlpool village on his clothes kakashi had it gai has it as well as many other leaf ninja.

 

[Qcks]

Well, Sasuke and Itachi can both wield susanoo, unless you're calling it a summon, bu then where is the contract...? And this is one hell of a summon to be able to seal all tailed beasts within itself.

The summoning contract is probably on the walls surrounding the Gedo Mazo statue at Tobi's undergrond base that has the giant lotus blossom. There's tons of seals and designs on the walls surrounding the statue, and they all connect to the Gedo Mazo statue's groin.

 

[NarutoKage2]

dude she said it was the symbol of the village of the whirlpools lol and its not just narutos seal ninja of the leaf wear the symbol of the whirlpool village because of their close ties before it was destroyed. lol yeah... and its not just naruto who has the symbol of the whirlpool village on his clothes kakashi had it gai has it as well as many other leaf ninja.

yeah, and your point is...?

This is Naruto's seal:

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Its the same symbol. Manga says Minato learned sealing from Kushina, who was an Uzumaki.

Not just that, here:

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Notice how in the panel in the middle right there's a guy performing a seal, with the very same symbol again.

Deduction, does'nt hurt, does it?

 

[Baka Sennin]

you have some interesting observations there

the gedo mazo might also be made of mokuton, the material it's made of looks incredibly similar to danzo's arm, plus it was sitting on the hashirama plant in tobi's base. i've been meaning to make a gedo mazo thread for a while, but i haven't been able to connect everything so far.

 

[boshans]

yeah, and your point is...?

This is Naruto's seal:

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Its the same symbol. Manga says Minato learned sealing from Kushina, who was an Uzumaki.

Not just that, here:

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Notice how in the panel in the middle right there's a guy performing a seal, with the very same symbol again.

Deduction, does'nt hurt, does it?

Everyone is saying that the seal you are talking about is the whirlpool seal. First of all, it is the seal of the Hidden Eddy VILLAGE, which is IN the Whirlpool COUNTRY. The village has it's own seal, which is what is on Naruto's stomach and the backs of Konoha jounin. The Whirlpool COUNTRY has a DIFFERENT seal, that has nothing to do with the Eddy Village. It's like saying that Konoha's seal is the same as the Fire Country's, when obviously it is not. The Eddy seal is specifically a seal for UZUMAKI's, since that it what the village is made up of.

Anyway, the seal on Naruto's stomach is obviously Uzumaki, in the chapter you linked it says it right there. Kushina says the seal on Naruto's stomach is Uzumaki basically. And the Gedo Mazu has Uzumaki symbols, kind of.

Whatever, I like the theory, good job!

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

you have some interesting observations there

the gedo mazo might also be made of mokuton, the material it's made of looks incredibly similar to danzo's arm, plus it was sitting on the hashirama plant in tobi's base. i've been meaning to make a gedo mazo thread for a while, but i haven't been able to connect everything so far.

Woah, you gave me a good idea. What if Gedo Mazo is combined jutsu of Senju Mokuton and Uzumaki sealing techniques? It could have been created by Hashirama and the Uzumaki leader or it could have been created around the time when Senju, Uzumaki and Uchiha clans were formed.

What if Gedo Mazo is what Hashirama used to supress all Bijuu like Tobi is doing it now :O

Everyone is saying that the seal you are talking about is the whirlpool seal. First of all, it is the seal of the Hidden Eddy VILLAGE, which is IN the Whirlpool COUNTRY. The village has it's own seal, which is what is on Naruto's stomach and the backs of Konoha jounin. The Whirlpool COUNTRY has a DIFFERENT seal, that has nothing to do with the Eddy Village. It's like saying that Konoha's seal is the same as the Fire Country's, when obviously it is not. The Eddy seal is specifically a seal for UZUMAKI's, since that it what the village is made up of.

Anyway, the seal on Naruto's stomach is obviously Uzumaki, in the chapter you linked it says it right there. Kushina says the seal on Naruto's stomach is Uzumaki basically. And the Gedo Mazu has Uzumaki symbols, kind of.

Whatever, I like the theory, good job!

So what's the symbol of whirpool country? A reverse swirl? :|

 

[kibaclaw]

What is the Gedo Mazo, the Demonic Statue Of the Outer Path?

I wanted to analyze this in detail, so i started back reading the manga and i'll just sum up all that i found.This analysis looks at the imagery and is basically a theory of the Gedo Mazo representing the zenith in sealing abilities, and its possible links with the Uzumaki clan. I'll use manga pages to suggest the possibility of my theory, and it also takes into account the fact that Nagato was an Uzumaki and touches on the subject of why Tobi may have decided to have given him the Rinnegan in the first place. As with any theory, its not fact, and is based on speculation as such but it was an interesting topic to speculate on and unless Edo Madara can use said statue, this theory ought to hold weight.


The statue is first shown here:

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Pain does a seal before that :

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So initially it would appear to be a simple rinnegan summon. However, as we all know its later used to seal Gaara's Shikaku.Its also later shown to be used to seal other tailed beasts by providing enough chakra by the Akatsuki members to equal the chakra of the beast in question, something which normally takes 3 dyas.

One thing i just noticed about the picture, and i'll theorize:

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The uzumaki clan symbol, we all know looks like this:

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The swirly image being shown on both the flag of the Eddy country, and on Naruto's Kyuubi seal. Basically, this symbol represented the Uzumaki clan who were renowned for sealing jutsus, and as told in the image were directly related to the Senju clan. Both the Senju and Uchiha were direct descendants of the Younger and Elder sons of the Sage of the 6 paths, respectively.

Now, take a look at this image, and tell me how many Uzumaki clan symbols do you see?:

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Is it a mere co incidence the Gedo Mazo is used for sealing the Bijuu.....?

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If the Uzumaki clan were related to the Senju, and the Senju related to the Sage of the 6 Paths, this has to mean that the Uzumaki were related to the Sage as well. The Gedo Mazo is the ultimate sealing jutsu, passed down by the SO6P by blood to the Uzumaki. I'm sure you'll be like wtf!! at this point but bear with me. The Uzumaki were so deadly at sealing that their whole village was destroyed, only a few scattered survivors remained. Their seals were of sufficient caliber to seal Bijuu, as attested by both Mito's seal and later Naruto's seal (based off Uzumaki techs performed by the 4th Hokage). The fact that the same seal symbol appears on the Statue suggests a connection between the Gedo's sealing and the Uzumaki clan's seal.

Why Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan, and later wanted that rinnegan back::

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Ok, now my theory with regard to the Gedo statue reaches its crux at this point. Why would Tobi give Nagato the rinnegan(he probably got it from Madara, but that's a different story). Why not just wear one eye himself, as he does now? My belief is that Tobi figured out a way to seal the tailed beasts and achieve his Moon's Eye Plan by giving an Uzumaki the rinnegan, and thus the opportunity to unlock the ultimate kekkai genkai of the Uzumaki clan: the God of Sealing, the Gedo Mazo. Why has'nt Edo Madara, an Uchiha been able to summon Gedo during his fight with the 5 kages? Basically, once an Uzumaki uses a rinnegan, it reacts by giving him the ability to reach the ultimate in his genetic potential, which is sealing. Thereafter, that specific rinnegan will always have the ability to summon said statue.

To do a rundown:

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The Sage passed his complete strength/abilities into:
1. The Elder Son(Uchiha Clan)= eye powers
The ultimate potential: the Rinnegan
2. The Younger Son(Senju Clan)=body powers
The ultimate potential: unknown/mokuuton perhaps
3. The Uzumaki Clan(first member unknown, possibly an off shoot of the Senju)
The ultimate potential: The Gedo Mazo, awakened only when Uzumaki blood is used to tame the Rinnegan.

Conclusion:

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The Gedo Mazo is the ultimate sealing jutsu, used originally by the SO6P to tame the Juubi. The sealing techniques later adopted by the Uzumaki clan were off shoots to this, the ultimate sealing technique, in a way similar to how the MS and sharingan can be thought of as lesser forms of the rinnegan, so the 8 trigrams Uzumaki seal on Naruto is a lesser form of the Statue, which can seal far more. However, it requires an Uzumaki with the Rinnegan to awaken it, as i earlier stated which is why Nagato was given this eye by Tobi.

Well, thanks for reading

Honestly, those look more like uchiha tomoe than uzumaki swirls. You are also not mentioning the fact that tobi says sasuke can sync with gedo mazo and tobi isnt letting him yet. This implies that u need a contract or something with the gedo to summon it which is why madara can't.

I honestly believe gedo mazo is a mokuton vessel either created by so6p, senju clan, or hashirama which hashirama used when he collected the tailed beasts. We have seen how bijuu chakra is related to mokuton because hashi controls them with it and naruto's kyuubi chakra causes zetsu's and yamato's mokuton to flourish and grow leaves, we have also seen a giant mokuton flower holding the gedo mazo and leaching chakra from it.
so it makes sense that a giant mokuton vessel could hold tailed beasts.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Honestly, those look more like uchiha tomoe than uzumaki swirls. You are also not mentioning the fact that tobi says sasuke can sync with gedo mazo and tobi isnt letting him yet. This implies that u need a contract or something with the gedo to summon it which is why madara can't.

I honestly believe gedo mazo is a mokuton vessel either created by so6p, senju clan, or hashirama which hashirama used when he collected the tailed beasts. We have seen how bijuu chakra is related to mokuton because hashi controls them with it and naruto's kyuubi chakra causes zetsu's and yamato's mokuton to flourish and
grow leaves, we have also seen a giant mokuton flower holding the gedo mazo and leaching chakra from it.
so it makes sense that a giant mokuton vessel could hold tailed beasts.

How do they look like sharingan tomoes?(there's no such thing as an uchiha swirl lol)?
No, Tobi thinks Sasuke's body is suited for the job. If Sasuke was compatible with the curse seal of Orochimaru i'm guessing it would increase his usefulness to this as well.

We don't know exactly what Hashirama used to control the tailed beasts, it could have been Mokuuton or maybe it was a sealing jutsu like the necklace Naruto had. More info is needed on that, but there's always room to speculate.

 

[xxbkrawkxx]

sounds possible

 

[Baka Sennin]

Woah, you gave me a good idea. What if Gedo Mazo is combined jutsu of Senju Mokuton and Uzumaki sealing techniques? It could have been created by Hashirama and the Uzumaki leader or it could have been created around the time when Senju, Uzumaki and Uchiha clans were formed.

What if Gedo Mazo is what Hashirama used to supress all Bijuu like Tobi is doing it now :O

personally my original theory was that the so6p made gedo mazo, with the use of mokuton (i think he had it) and creation of all things. but what you're saying is another good possibility. it could be how hashirama died too, if gedo mazo did the same thing to him as it did to nagato.

 

[Dribbles]

Wow, this is a damn good theory, And not all Senju's used wood element, for anyone who thinks hashirama made it, and Gedo Mazo wouldve existed a long time before hashirama IMO. +rep though, very good theory

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^ Take a look at my post about Kurama and the SO6P theory, i think its alright.

 

[ronus]

+Rep bro.. Nice work