[Discussion] Gear 4th to take out Kaido!

[Spha]

The hype is high for Kaido and his Strongest Crew members, but at the end of the day Luffy won't need another Gear to defeat them.

Gear 4th was created to Battle Beasts, and Kaido's Crew are all Beasts and the First Yonko that will fall at the hand of the Strawhats and their alliance, so another power up Gear is not needed, the whole 2 year Time skip was for Luffy to be strong enough to battle a Yonko.

I know Luffy only Fought Doflamingo with it but so far No one can Handle Gear 4th Attacks, nd the only weakness to Gear 4th is the time limit to it, so the significant of Luffy Fighting the 7th schebukai at Zou Island is to power up Gear 4th Stamina level.

So After Luffy Defeat the 7th Schebukai, his Gear 4th will be stronger and high in Stamina to battle a yonko like Kaido....I know many might not agree but Kaido is the weakest Yonko, he might be the strongest Beast alive but his Haki Level is weaker than all the Yonko's, the reason being that Kaido does not Possess the "WILL TO LIVE"....from my perspective Kaido only has a strong Body but his Haki level is not at the level of other Yonko's excluding Blackbeard.

There are TWO reason why Kaido's Haki is Low, 1. His will to live is low.
2. He did not go through haki Training as he is Supers Confident about his Body strength.

So basically Kaido will Fall at the hands of Gear 4th Attacks, nothing more than it, and again I believe there is more to Gear 4th than meets the eye, Gear 4th vs Doflamingo was Merely a tired Gear 4th with its Attacks power Cut in half, but it did so much damage to the City itself.

One more point is that, After he used Gear 4th Luffy got Stronger as he was able to put a Scretch with a Gear 3rd Attack on an Admiral, which Sabo was not able to, and the Admiral even Commanded his Strength. So Gear 4th will be the power to beat u Kaido.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Haki is defined as willpower, not just the will to live. It can be argued that Kaido's will to die is just as strong as anyone's will to live, so his Haki can be just as strong as theirs. That Kaido didn't train his Haki is also just an assumption.

Also, Doflamingo managed to dodge Gear 4 and fend Luffy off for 20 minutes. While I agree that Luffy will be utilizing Gear 4 with better control, and even with better forms, the next time we see it and when he fights Kaido, but it's gonna be that soon or that easy

 

[Yubel]

Gear 4th was meant for giant beasts so of course he will use it against Kaido.
I suspect he will also use it during Elbaf Arc however many years it'll take untill we reach that place.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Gear 4th was meant for giant beasts so of course he will use it against Kaido.
I suspect he will also use it during Elbaf Arc however many years it'll take untill we reach that place.

You must be the writer of one piece or something

 

[Relostar Devil]

I think luffy will not use it on kaidou bcoz jacks obituary has been released which means that kaidou's attraction will be focused on the marines for revenge which will also save the kid and alliances asses form him and i think sanji will also be there, so i think it will be a kind of sanji retrieval arc with kaidou's help......

 

[jiraiya lives]

Kaido the weakest Yonkou? hmm first I've heard that opinion... But I highly doubt that his yonkou status is due only because of him having a strong body, It's clear that his attacks and fighting ability overall is tremendous. Doffy wouldn't be scared shitless of Kaido just for having a strong body it's clear that he's an immense threat to anyone wishing to fight him.

And as Riker said, Kaido's will to die is just as strong if not STRONGER than most characters will to live... From a powerscaling perspective it leads me to believe that G4 isn't even enough for Jack, let alone Kaido.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Oda said "In a 1 vs 1, always bet on Kaido". That makes it pretty obvious that Kaido is the strongest person alive.

 

[Passerby]

Are you saying Shanks,BM,BB is>Kaido? Please tell me how they will kill him in a 1 vs 1 fight. Unless maybe they settle their difference in a Rock,Paper,Scissor match lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oda said "In a 1 vs 1, always bet on Kaido". That makes it pretty obvious that Kaido is the strongest person alive.

Where was this?

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Where was this?

Bottom right panel. Not sure what it says in viz though.
Doesn't mean much imo. "Everyone says".. I'm sure everyone also always says to bet on Barcelona against whatever team they play, but regardless they won't win all the time.

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[Yubel]

You must be the writer of one piece or something

Gear 4th was created to fight the huge beasts on the island where Luffy trained. Elbaf has been foreshadowed for ages.

 

[YellowFang]

1- Mugiwara are certainly not enough developed to challenge a Yonko yet...
2- On the other hand, a new power-up is probably not needed for Luffy as his latest 'Gear' incorporates Haki and Haki has limitless potential w/ CoC still shrouding in mystery as how much of a use it's in battle...
Believe me, if SHs had gone against DD pirates alone; they would have lost... And Yonko is still far beyond DD's level, where just a regular crew member is as strong as DD's executive class member...

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmao "will to die" that sounds incredibly retarded. That would help Kaido lose battles not win them. If you have a will to live clashing against a will to die ones goal is to overcome the obstacle infront of him and survive... the others is to die by the hands of the person opposing him. Don't see how that would help in any shape or form.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmao "will to die" that sounds incredibly retarded. That would help Kaido lose battles not win them. If you have a will to live clashing against a will to die ones goal is to overcome the obstacle infront of him and survive... the others is to die by the hands of the person opposing him. Don't see how that would help in any shape or form.

Right, because the character whose favorite hobby is attempting to commit suicide because he can't die didn't already cross the threshold of "That's way too ridiculous to be true." Willpower is just the drive to make something happen, and suicide falls into that category, so yeah, will to die can be a thing. Willpower is just determination, and is Kaido not determined to die? Willpower is resolve, has Kaido not resolved to die? Willpower is purposefulness, has death not become a purpose of Kaido's?

Kaido also expressed an opposition to stagnancy and the mundane. He shouted "LET'S START A ****ING WAR!" because he thought the world was too boring. I doubt a character like that would just lay down and die in a boring way. He'd probably fight back as hard as he could to make his death as flashy as possible.

 

[ToshiZO]

Right, because the character whose favorite hobby is attempting to commit suicide because he can't die didn't already cross the threshold of "That's way too ridiculous to be true." Willpower is just the drive to make something happen, and suicide falls into that category, so yeah, will to die can be a thing. Willpower is just determination, and is Kaido not determined to die? Willpower is resolve, has Kaido not resolved to die? Willpower is purposefulness, has death not become a purpose of Kaido's?

Kaido also expressed an opposition to stagnancy and the mundane. He shouted "LET'S START A ****ING WAR!" because he thought the world was too boring. I doubt a character like that would just lay down and die in a boring way. He'd probably fight back as hard as he could to make his death as flashy as possible.

Lmao his will to die is not powering up his Haki you best believe that.

He probably has incredible will power but he is probably still trying to win the fight. He just challenges himself with near impossible to survive situations...in that sense he has a "will to die" or is suicidal. But its not like he walks up to opponents and goes please kill me without attacking back because if you truly had a will to die thats what you would do.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmao his will to die is not powering up his Haki you best believe that.

He probably has incredible will power but he is probably still trying to win the fight. He just challenges himself with near impossible to survive situations...in that sense he has a "will to die" or is suicidal. But its not like he walks up to opponents and goes please kill me without attacking back because if you truly had a will to die thats what you would do.

Haki is the manifestation of willpower...Haki literally means willpower...

Having incredible willpower is enough to have incredible Haki. Because Haki IS your willpower. Also, you're contradicting yourself out the ass here. "He has a will to die, but he doesn't have a will to die." Whatever. Haki is willpower. Willpower is determination. Kaido is determined to die. So, yes, he has a will to die and it can strengthen his Haki.

 

[ToshiZO]

Haki is the manifestation of willpower...Haki literally means willpower...

Having incredible willpower is enough to have incredible Haki. Because Haki IS your willpower. Also, you're contradicting yourself out the ass here. "He has a will to die, but he doesn't have a will to die." Whatever. Haki is willpower. Willpower is determination. Kaido is determined to die. So, yes, he has a will to die and it can strengthen his Haki.

Nope. His willpower can come from his ability to seek the impossible challenges or overcome them.

A will to die means you do the opposite of fighting back. Do you realize how dumb that sounds? He has a will to die so he beats everyone? Lmao that is a contradiction.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nope. His willpower can come from his ability to seek the impossible challenges or overcome them.

A will to die means you do the opposite of fighting back. Do you realize how dumb that sounds? He has a will to die so he beats everyone? Lmao that is a contradiction.

And it can't be both? It can't be both dying and excitement of achievement? You think Luffy's Haki is strong because he's determined about just one single thing?

Unless you want to die and you also hate the mundane. Kaido wants to die, but he isn't gonna lay back and do it. Hence the predicament and why he isn't dead. Hence why he jumped from a Sky Island instead of simply slitting his throat.

 

[ToshiZO]

And it can't be both? It can't be both dying and excitement of achievement? You think Luffy's Haki is strong because he's determined about just one single thing?

Unless you want to die and you also hate the mundane. Kaido wants to die, but he isn't gonna lay back and do it. Hence the predicament and why he isn't dead. Hence why he jumped from a Sky Island instead of simply slitting his throat.

Exactly thus its not truly his will to die which is powering him.

"I have a will to die so I will put all my effort into beating my opponent." That in itself is impossible.

By giving it your all against your enemy you have the will to live on or win, not to die.

You might as well say he has the will to lose, see how dumb that sounds? :

"His will to lose is why his Haki is so strong"

 

[Punk Hazard]

Exactly thus its not truly his will to die which is powering him.

"I have a will to die so I will put all my effort into beating my opponent." That in itself is impossible.

By giving it your all against your enemy you have the will to live on or win, not to die.

You might as well say he has the will to lose, see how dumb that sounds? :

"His will to lose is why his Haki is so strong"

Uhhh his will to die IS empowering him...it's just no the SOLE thing empowering him.

No it's not. It amazes me how narrowminded you gotta be to not get this. Kaido wants to lose, but he doesn't wanna to go out like a ***** because that would be boring. He wants that, if he dies, it's in some grand, spectacular, non-boring way. As such, he fights all out, the same way everyone else does, but instead hoping he wins, he hopes he loses. But because he can't just sit around and be boring, because he needs excitement, he can't just sit around and let himself get weak. It's a paradox and is the reason why someone so suicidal is even still alive.

Kaido WANTS to lose, but he also WANTS to lose in a grand way, so he engages in brutal battles that he ends up winning and going "****, gotta try again." Kaido gives his all because of his will to have excitement, not because of his will to win. His will to die is just as strong as his will for excitement, but the latter ends up impeding on what the other wants, creating a vicious cycle.