[Spoilers] gear 4

[Uzumaki Macho]

I wonder if Law, Kid and the others have achieved this as well. Would be interesting to see how Luffy's DF acts when "awakened", Logias too.

Perhaps Whitebeard tilting and grabbing the air itself was a form of his Gura Gura no Mi being "awakened."

Imagine if people like Kalifa or Magellan awakened their DF.

 

[IminLovewithMAryj]

This is weird stuff
So Luffy can change his environement into rubber? Temporary or ..?
Some random baby 5 awesomness just flashes trough my head lol
The whole ship would turn into a friggin weapon if she is on it

Pretty sure you need Uber DF mastery which she doesn't.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Pretty sure you need Uber DF mastery which she doesn't.

The fruits potential would allow it though, but lets first wait for the actual chapter for some confirmation

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Imagine if people like Kalifa or Magellan awakened their DF.

Sugar...

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Sugar...

Turning the environment into toys wouldn't be very useful.

 

[OG sama]

Damn this sounds awesome. And wasn't expecting spoilers either, is the fight over?

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Turning the environment into toys wouldn't be very useful.

– Doflamingo turns surrounding people into strings
from spoiler

I thought if Doffy can do something like that why Sugar's fruit can't

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Damn this sounds awesome. And wasn't expecting spoilers either, is the fight over?

Sounds like it is.

 

[OG sama]

Sounds like it is.

Wow people sure did underrate Luffy didn't they. Man its just like me and you said, I wonder how the haters gone at now.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Wow people sure did underrate Luffy didn't they. Man its just like me and you said, I wonder how the haters gone at now.

Don't be ridiculous. Ace is still stronger than Luffy because of reasons and Law is still stronger than Luffy, who is beating up the guy who defeated Law at low-mid diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Don't be ridiculous. Ace is still stronger than Luffy because of reasons and Law is still stronger than Luffy, who is beating up the guy who defeated Law at low-mid diff.

This section is pretty much the only place where you'll find people saying that because person A was defeated by person B and then person C beat them at less than half of their strength, person C>person A.

Doffy has been weakened to the point where he was about to die. You can't use Doffy effortlessly beating Law at 100% and Doffy losing to Luffy at close to 0% as Luffy>Law/

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

This section is pretty much the only place where you'll find people saying that because person A was defeated by person B and then person C beat them at less than half of their strength, person C>person A.

Luffy as also taken a lot of damage, as said by Doflamingo. Luffy also has better feats than Law.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

This section is pretty much the only place where you'll find people saying that because person A was defeated by person B and then person C beat them at less than half of their strength, person C>person A.

Doffy has been weakened to the point where he was about to die. You can't use Doffy effortlessly beating Law at 100% and Doffy losing to Luffy at close to 0% as Luffy>Law/

Doflamingo is definitely not close to 0%. More like 50%.

 

[OG sama]

Let the damage control begin...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo is definitely not close to 0%. More like 50%.

You really think Doffy would be as close to death as he was while his organs were ripped apart while at half of his strength? If Doffy didn't stitch his organs back together, he would be dead, no doubt about it. You really think that's Doffy with his health cut in two? No one dies at 50%.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Let the damage control begin...

It already began last chapter.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy as also taken a lot of damage, as said by Doflamingo. Luffy also has better feats than Law.

But nowhere close to the amount of damage Doffy has taken. Why you still haven't gotten this point is beyond me.

 

[OG sama]

This section is pretty much the only place where you'll find people saying that because person A was defeated by person B and then person C beat them at less than half of their strength, person C>person A.

Doffy has been weakened to the point where he was about to die. You can't use Doffy effortlessly beating Law at 100% and Doffy losing to Luffy at close to 0% as Luffy>Law/

Yeah lets just ignore that Oda went out of his way to mention they were both injured significantly. Oh and lets also forget Luffy was in base and allowed his self to be hurt and also got kicked and punched and slashed prior to that. The damage control has already started.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Luffy as also taken a lot of damage, as said by Doflamingo. Luffy also has better feats than Law.

Not only that but the hype and praise he has gotten is infinitely better , not to mention the common sense

Préskip hype from Kuzan , who was terrifed how strong the SH's were grewing at such a rapid rate.
Was compared to Dragon by Ivankov a few times.
Akainu wanted to kill him because he saw a potential threat in him
Whitebeard+Commanders wanted to help him escape because they noticed his vast potential.
His family lineage (though , that's not always a given, in his case it is)
Trained by rayleigh 1 and a half year
With all that acclaim how would common sense justify someone who was on a similair level pre timeskip suddenly surpass him
it would be extremely illogical from a story point of view for law to be above Luffy

 

[Punk Hazard]

Not only that but the hype and praise he has gotten is infinitely better , not to mention the common sense

Préskip hype from Kuzan , who was terrifed how strong the SH's were grewing at such a rapid rate.
Was compared to Dragon by Ivankov a few times.
Akainu wanted to kill him because he saw a potential threat in him
Whitebeard+Commanders wanted to help him escape because they noticed his vast potential.
His family lineage (though , that's not always a given, in his case it is)
Trained by rayleigh 1 and a half year
With all that acclaim how would common sense justify someone who was on a similair level pre timeskip suddenly surpass him
it would be extremely illogical from a story point of view for law to be above Luffy

1. Shakky commented that every Supernova would have had to go through difficulties that were like the Strawhat's, meaning they would have needed similar growth in order to overcome them.

2. Based on personality and possession of Haoshoku

3. Because he was Dragon's son. Akainu didn't care about who Luffy was specifically, he called him "Dragon's son" almost every time while referring to him, and targeted him and Ace for, and he said this reason himself, "the blood he carried." Akainu said even if everyone else escaped, he wouldn't let them get away, meaning he would try especially hard for them as opposed to the likes of Marco, Ivankov and the other commanders. It had nothing to do with Luffy's strength.

4. Because Whitebeard liked Luffy and because he was the last remaining remnant of Ace's will. Once again, not because of Luffy's strength.

5. That's a legit point, he had good genes

6. Good enough a point
Charisma, being similar in personality to Dragon, and having Dragon's blood isn't gonna help Luffy in VS matches where the opponent is dead-set on defeating/killing him.

Luffy and Law are more or less on the same level. Luffy can punch harder and has more durability. Endurance is a tricky area, is Law inferior because his DF drains him, or are they even because he can continue fighting while close to death and despite his DF constantly draining him? Other than that, their capabilities are more or less at the same level. Luffy can cause more destruction, but that's not all that matters in overall strength. If you're determining who's stronger by who'd win in a fight, it can go either way, but Luffy's fighting style puts him at a disadvantage against Law. For example, Gear 4 can do heavy damage to Law, or Law can take advantage of Gear 4's build-up rather than standing and watching like Doffy did, and cut him before he even has a chance to go full Bounceman. Law has shown to be able to keep up with Gear 2 during the Red Hawk tactic and the Gamma Knife tactic via Shambles, and Gear 3 has too many openings(this is the worst thing Luffy can do while fighting Law).