[Discussion] Gear 4 Luffy vs PreTimeskip Kuma

[shon93]

Can Luffy Finally put that work in on him?

Who wins?

 

[juzumaki]

Gear 4 luffy mid high diff now that he basically has the ability to change the direction of his attack so he avoid kumas ability at the last moment

also his spring attack works like kuma reflect ability

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Luffy high diff.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I see this as a tie or an incredibly close fight

Luffy and Doflamingo are equally matched right now, and Doffy is severely inhibited because of Laws Gamma Knife

I see Doffy being superior to Kuma, so it's a close one. I still give Kuma the benefit of the doubt and say he's more likely to win, but with max difficulty

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I see this as a tie or an incredibly close fight

Luffy and Doflamingo are equally matched right now, and Doffy is severely inhibited because of Laws Gamma Knife

I see Doffy being superior to Kuma, so it's a close one. I still give Kuma the benefit of the doubt and say he's more likely to win, but with max difficulty

How does he beat G4 Luffy?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

How does he beat G4 Luffy?

How does G4 beat him?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

How does G4 beat him?

Immense speed and power and he can use his Python attack to move around Kuma's paw.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Immense speed and power and he can use his Python attack to move around Kuma's paw.

Not sure about you but I'm pretty sure Kuma can pretty much teleport himself by rebounding his own body from his paw... Teleportation > Speed. It doesn't matter how fast a character is before Kuma (except maybe Borsalino)

Kuma was (without even using Haki) as tough as a Pacifista. Add his Busoshoku Haki and you'll find very few people could hurt him. He can also just send Luffy flying, and considering Luffy can't stop bouncing around almost uncontrollably it's easy to f*ck him over

Kuma wins an extremely close fight.

 

[shon93]

How does he beat G4 Luffy?

I love Luffy but I have Kuma u have to remember Luffy attacks are devastating but Doffy was still able to tank all of them and respond. Kuma is faster than Luffy still and he can repel his attacks

It would still be an awesome fight tho

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I love Luffy but I have Kuma u have to remember Luffy attacks are devastating but Doffy was still able to tank all of them and respond. Kuma is faster than Luffy still and he can repel his attacks

It would still be an awesome fight tho

What makes you think he's faster?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Not sure about you but I'm pretty sure Kuma can pretty much teleport himself by rebounding his own body from his paw... Teleportation > Speed. It doesn't matter how fast a character is before Kuma (except maybe Borsalino)

Kuma was (without even using Haki) as tough as a Pacifista. Add his Busoshoku Haki and you'll find very few people could hurt him. He can also just send Luffy flying, and considering Luffy can't stop bouncing around almost uncontrollably it's easy to f*ck him over

Kuma wins an extremely close fight.

Whatever Kuma teleports travels for 3 days so it's not teleportation. He has no CoA feats so it's pointless bringing that up?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Whatever Kuma teleports travels for 3 days so it's not teleportation. He has no CoA feats so it's pointless bringing that up?

That's a completely different technique. He places his paw on his own body to send himself flying, it's short distance teleportation. I'm not talking about the technique he used to split the Strawhats up

He has no CoA feats because we didn't know what it was whenever we saw him fight. He's been reduced to a Pacifista now. This doesn't mean he never had Busoshoku Haki, it's ridiculous to think he doesn't. Considering he's been a Revolutionary under Dragons direct tutelage (and if Sabo can, why can't he?), as well as being active in the New World for an incredibly long time

 

[juzumaki]

That's a completely different technique. He places his paw on his own body to send himself flying, it's short distance teleportation. I'm not talking about the technique he used to split the Strawhats up

He has no CoA feats because we didn't know what it was whenever we saw him fight. He's been reduced to a Pacifista now. This doesn't mean he never had Busoshoku Haki, it's ridiculous to think he doesn't. Considering he's been a Revolutionary under Dragons direct tutelage (and if Sabo can, why can't he?), as well as being active in the New World for an incredibly long time

he has no coa feat with a body as durable as a pacifista as seen when zoro cut him pre ts

saying he has it nothing but assumption

and it isnt teleportation....

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

he has no coa feat with a body as durable as a pacifista as seen when zoro cut him pre ts

saying he has it nothing but assumption

and it isnt teleportation....

Zoro cut his clothes. Kuma felt nothing.

What would you describe it as? It's no different in nature to Laws warping abilities shown on Punk Hazard

It's ridiculous to say any bigshot Pirate/Marine in the New World doesn't have the ability to use Haki....

 

[juzumaki]

Zoro cut his clothes. Kuma felt nothing.

What would you describe it as? It's no different in nature to Laws warping abilities shown on Punk Hazard

It's ridiculous to say any bigshot Pirate/Marine in the New World doesn't have the ability to use Haki....

his variation of soru just like how luffy put his spin on the tech....

again nothing but an assumption

 

[YellowFang]

CoO is the key here...
If Luffy can't anticipate Kuma's attacks or moves perfectly, he's gonna be doomed eventually...

Kuma is durable but one touch from Kuma can send Luffy flying across the globe...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

his variation of soru just like how luffy put his spin on the tech....

again nothing but an assumption

It's not a variation of Soru as it comes from his Devil Fruit. It's far faster and superior.

And it's a sensible assumption.