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I prefer Joffrey than Ramsay.. at the very least Joffrey got his ass handed to him multiple times by Tyrion and Tywin,
while this bastard Ramsay always got what he want,
Either way longclaw is coming for his ass.
while this bastard Ramsay always got what he want,
Either way longclaw is coming for his ass.
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It was a great episode, Jon is finally back, Hodor could speak at some point ( ;-; Hodor), plus they joined Lyanna Stark too omg. Roose Bolton's death was disappointing, should have been more brutal imo z,z It was great though, got me so hyped for the next episode.
OH, Tyrion and the dragons were classic xD
OH, Tyrion and the dragons were classic xD
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The trailer for next week's episode. It's now officially confirmed that it's the Tower of Joy scene!
Either way personally I wasn't really thinking about this too much as the only thing Tyrion did was not being eaten by the dragons. Not something I would deem so extraordinaire to start reconsidering Tyrion's parentage. Despite the fact that in the books it was written the Mad King fancied Tywin's wife; Tywin made sure that his wife would never come near the capital again after the king made a shunning remark about Tywin's wife at their wedding. The Mad King also became so paranoid at one point in his life that he refused to leave King's Landing for years. So how should he have fathered Tyrion? Outside him I don't think there are any other male Targaryens who could have possibly done it.
We can't disclose the possibility either that one of Tyrion's ancestors had some Targaryen blood in him which made its way to Tyrion. In the books there were two characters in Daenarys's proximity that had a drop of Targaryen blood in him. One was actually described as being liked by the dragons while the other got burned to a crisp and neither of the two made it to the screen. So it's possible they recycled that into Tyrion.
Ramsey was a bastard born from Roose Bolton's urge to rape a newly wed wife he stumbled upon and he originally had planned to kill both of them, but he had a change of heart. At that point in time though Ramsey was already a teen. He had to crawl from the bottom of the social ladder up to the top. It's explained in the books that most of his obtained skills, like fighting, are self-taught and hence very crude.
Joffrey however has always had everything he ever wanted. He was the 1st born son from the king of Westeros and the daughter of one of the wealthiest families in Westeros. Everyone did everything for him.
Joffrey became delusional by this to the point he became viciously cruel whenever something didn't go his way. Ramsey on the other hand became cruel because that was the only way he ever got anything.
The trailer for next week's episode. It's now officially confirmed that it's the Tower of Joy scene!
Well following the books I would rate that possibility very low, but at this point in the TV adaption everything is possible. The irony in that however would be extremely strong as then Tyrion, the Mad King's son, would have killed Tywin while Tywin's son, Jamie, killed the Mad King and the reason why he got killed, was because he had become so mad he couldn't rule properly anymore while that's Tyrion's forte.
Either way personally I wasn't really thinking about this too much as the only thing Tyrion did was not being eaten by the dragons. Not something I would deem so extraordinaire to start reconsidering Tyrion's parentage. Despite the fact that in the books it was written the Mad King fancied Tywin's wife; Tywin made sure that his wife would never come near the capital again after the king made a shunning remark about Tywin's wife at their wedding. The Mad King also became so paranoid at one point in his life that he refused to leave King's Landing for years. So how should he have fathered Tyrion? Outside him I don't think there are any other male Targaryens who could have possibly done it.
We can't disclose the possibility either that one of Tyrion's ancestors had some Targaryen blood in him which made its way to Tyrion. In the books there were two characters in Daenarys's proximity that had a drop of Targaryen blood in him. One was actually described as being liked by the dragons while the other got burned to a crisp and neither of the two made it to the screen. So it's possible they recycled that into Tyrion.
The difference between the two is that they are very similar in personality, but that they come from complete opposing environments.
Ramsey was a bastard born from Roose Bolton's urge to rape a newly wed wife he stumbled upon and he originally had planned to kill both of them, but he had a change of heart. At that point in time though Ramsey was already a teen. He had to crawl from the bottom of the social ladder up to the top. It's explained in the books that most of his obtained skills, like fighting, are self-taught and hence very crude.
Joffrey however has always had everything he ever wanted. He was the 1st born son from the king of Westeros and the daughter of one of the wealthiest families in Westeros. Everyone did everything for him.
Joffrey became delusional by this to the point he became viciously cruel whenever something didn't go his way. Ramsey on the other hand became cruel because that was the only way he ever got anything.
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Oddly, I agree. Joffrey was just an ass hole but Ramsey is at least a funny at least. I can't think of a single time Joffrey on screen was a good thing for me
as for the Ghost thing, I do think he was in Ghost. Mel's resurrection worked for his body but the soul was missing. Jon waited for some reason to go back to his body which is why he woke up so late. I'm glad they didn't drag out "Jon Snow is dead" bull. was getting old
UGH THAT SCENE. 1. it was predictable. the moment he went hugged him I knew it was stabby time. it's ironic Ramsey killed Roose because the only reason Roose didn't kill him as a baby was because he looked like him. too bad Ramsey don't care bout kinslaying
tbh I think that scene and Walda/baby was just for shock value. they did it just to be like "haha guys we still have plot twists!" stupid
he was basically Tywin of the north. honestly I can't see the armies rallying behind Ramsay who was a bastard like 3 friggin days ago. Roose's loyal men should just kill em.
I also wonder how the Freys will take/or even care about Walda's death once news reaches them.
I literally SQUEALED!!! Im so happy!! bruh YESSSS
I can't remember in detail but the Tower of Joy had some of the most memorable line for me
"I looked for you on the Trident"
"we weren't there, woe to the usurper if we had been"
"I looked for you etc etc etc"
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The most fundamental rule of watching GoT: everyone dies. So yeah rationally speaking it wouldn't make sense if Jon died, but that has never stopped anyone else dying before xd
He isn't the rightful king of the Iron Throne though, at least not following the official laws regarding succession in Westeros. Normally the firstborn male of the ruling king will be the successor, followed by his male siblings. If however the firstborn will have sons of his own, those will have precedence over his siblings. Women would only be accepted if there was absolutely no male available and bastards by default never had any chance unless they would have been officially acknowledged. The latter only happened once, with catastrophic results. Aegon IV had fathered many children, amongst them quite a few bastards who were the children of high-born ladies, and on his deathbed he recognized them all. That in turn made it possible for all those bastards to put forth a claim on the throne, resulting in several wars spread over several generations between all the different contenders. In fact one of the bastards involved is the old guy Bran is with now north of the Wall.
Either way my point is that Jon is still very well a bastard even if he is truly Rhaegar's son (which is likely) as Rhaegar was already married. Even if he somehow married Lyanna in secret or acknowledge Jon, there is absolutely no one who can prove that and even if there was, no one would believe it. Also in the books Rhaegar's legitimate son survives, however this plot line was likely abolished in the TV adaptation. So if you follow the correct order of succession, Daenerys is the one in pole position as a Targaryen woman has still precedence over a Targaryen bastard. Then again seeing the current situation anyone with Targaryen blood can try making a claim, however there is no one who doubt that Daenarys is a real Targaryen, while Jon has to prove he's a Targaryen bastard of all things and let us not forget the shortage of dragons on Jon's side.
In my opinion the most logical course of action would be that Jon is able to take command of the entire North and then supports Daenarys' claim on the throne. Jon's aim is to protect Westeros from the White Walkers and the only way to do that, is if Westeros is stable and under the rule of a single person. Jon is very well aware that he doesn't really fit the profile for that and that Daenary's dragons might be the best force against the White Walkers.
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I think Daenarys has displayed flaws that make her unworthy of the throne that Jon hasn't. As far as character purity, Jon should be the one. Daenarys has too much of a mean streak.
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The dragon has three heads. Daenerys has drogon. The other dragons are destined to be with others. If Jon is targaryen, then one of the others would be his. So there really wouldn't be a shortage on his side.
In other news, Ramsay vs Jon coming right up. We all know who is going to win. I just wonder how Ramsay will die. I hope it's by sansa's hands.
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Being worthy is a rather mute point as GoT is really not a series that's centered around romantic notions like 'only who is worthy shall sit on the throne'. It's also highly subjective to decide who would be more worthy.
Daenerys is simply the only person in the world who has everything that is required to sit on the Iron Throne. She is the last real living member of the mightiest dynasty Westeros has ever known and who has ruled the land for over two and a half centuries. She had to flee at a very young age and was subjected almost her entire life to psychological and later also physical torture. Despite all of this and against all the odds she was able to resurrect three original dragons, raise up an army and pile up victory after victory.
The reality is that what Dany has done puts to shame almost all the accomplishments and victories other people achieved the past centuries and she did it faster while coming from much further. If Westeros would be at peace, her alienation from it would be a severe disadvantage as who would support a foreign ruler? However ever since Robert's death Westeros has been in complete chaos, resulting in many people suffering, both the nobility as the regular folk. This is one of the reasons why the Fate Militant has become so strong. Now a situation like that is ideal for Dany as she has never been poisoned by the politics of Westeros and she was able to gain both power and influence independently. To many people who are sick of the chaos, she would both resemble the stability of the Targaryen dynasty as someone who is free of the poisonous influence of the nobel houses. There would likely be quite a lot of people who immediately would support her just because she's different.
Purity and being meaning are irrelevant as pure people don't survive very long in King's Landing or have you forgotten Eddard Stark? To the world Jon is Eddard Stark's bastard from the north and now he possibly will become the self-proclaimed bastard of Rhaegar Targaryen who deserted from the Night's Watch to the Wildlings. Seen the political situation he could take the north as most of them hate the Boltons so much they're really not going to bother with a NW's deserter, but that really does not apply to the rest of Westeros. How could Jon ever take the Iron Throne? Something he doesn't even want.
Dany already said it last season: she's going to break the wheel. Purity doesn't get you the Iron Throne, fire and blood will.
And Aegon also had only one dragon, but it was still him that was called the Conqueror, it was still him that rode the biggest of the three and it was still him that became king, not his two sisters.
So it's still very well Daenerys who resurrected three dragons, it's still very well she who is referred as the Mother of Dragons, it's still very well her who is riding the biggest of the three. So if Jon becomes a rider of one of the others (I always assumed it would be Viserion), it's really not going to be "Yeah Jon of course you can have one of my child-dragons and ride off with it and never return".
The other two dragons might be destined to be with other riders, but that only makes the possibility that Jon would serve under Daenarys that much more higher and realistic as those who are destined would be the closest ones to Daenerys.
Just realized something regarding Jon Snows mother. People think in the next episode we will learn the truth about Lyanna and it just so happens that this next episode is airing on Mother's Day here in the U.S. lol.
Coincidence? Probably not.
Coincidence? Probably not.