Gamakichi vs Kisame

[Curse Mark]

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]. Kichi knew ninjutsu didnt work

All you proved was that Naruto and Tobirama deduced it. Gamakichi said nothing and gave no indications he understood anything that was going on or figured anything out. In the very scan where he attacks Naruto says he appreciates his spirit AKA Thanks for trying even though you thought it might not help.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol what are you suggesting that toads are the only summons that are filled with nature chakra? BEcause he's already absorbed a summons chakra I believe.

Huh? The scan is saying Kisame gets the same treatment since Gamakitchi can gather natural energy too. And he fully knows it isn't easy to control. So he can easily pick up that Kisame, absorbing his chakra, can be used against him.

 

[Zexion~]

Huh? The scan is saying Kisame gets the same treatment since Gamakitchi can gather natural energy too. And he fully knows it isn't easy to control. So he can easily pick up that Kisame, absorbing his chakra, can be used against him.

Okay then if he really can gather nature energy than GSB just shits :lol or he can just absorb the chakra and then filter it out into the chakra in his WD so that he doesn't turn to stone.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

All you proved was that Naruto and Tobirama deduced it. Gamakichi said nothing and gave no indications he understood anything that was going on or figured anything out. In the very scan where he attacks Naruto says he appreciates his spirit AKA Thanks for trying even though you thought it might not help.

Read those scans again.

1.He SAW ninjutsu didn't work
2. He used Senjutsu
3. @Bold and then Naruto goes back to look at the results, so he notice what he did.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Okay then if he really can gather nature energy than GSB just shits :lol or he can just absorb the chakra and then filter it out into the chakra in his WD so that he doesn't turn to stone.

GSB could, but he can easily avoid it at the same time so its not guaranteed.

@Bold What? Thats not how it works...

 

[Zexion~]

GSB could, but he can easily avoid it at the same time so its not guaranteed.

@Bold What? Thats not how it works...

Yes it is :lol his chakra control is some of the best in the series and he manipulates the chakra that goes in and out of it, just like when he used Bee's chakra to form it without even converting it into his own.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yes it is :lol his chakra control is some of the best in the series and he manipulates the chakra that goes in and out of it, just like when he used Bee's chakra to form it without even converting it into his own.

No thats not how it works. Kisame chakra control is not any better then the people who learned Senjutsu. Its not the same as converting spirit and physical energy from another user. Zex please dont even begin to argue that Kisame can easily control nature's power.

 

[Curse Mark]

1.He SAW ninjutsu didn't work

Just because he was there doesn't mean that's why he used senjutsu. Has he even showed anything besides senjutsu and jumping?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Just because he was there doesn't mean that's why he used senjutsu. Has he even showed anything besides senjutsu and jumping?

@Bold: DK your being argumentative at this point. HE SAW what was NOT working. Why would he use a different form of jutsu? Why not just waste his time doing something that didnt work in the first place? Your making this too complicated when its not.

He has shown swordsmanship and Suiton. And I also gave him his fathers feats.

 

[Zexion~]

No thats not how it works. Kisame chakra control is not any better then the people who learned Senjutsu. Its not the same as converting spirit and physical energy from another user. Zex please dont even begin to argue that Kisame can easily control nature's power.

What are you saying? I'm saying the energy/chakra he absorbs would be too quickly filtered into the WD for it to actually effect chakra, i'm not saying he could use it :lol

Regardless he has to be stationary to absorb nature energy, he gets blasted if he tries.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What are you saying? I'm saying the energy/chakra he absorbs would be too quickly filtered into the WD for it to actually effect chakra, i'm not saying he could use it :lol

For him to filter out Senjutsu chakra or natural energy, he would need to know about it AND know how to control it first. Which he can't. Not when a Senjutsu master said its almost damn near impossible.

Regardless he has to be stationary to absorb nature energy, he gets blasted if he tries.

Irrelevant since I only mentioned using it when you mentioned:

Kisame fuses and touches him and he no longer has chakra

which is the best way to absorb natural energy.

 

[Curse Mark]

@Bold: DK your being argumentative at this point. HE SAW what was NOT working. Why would he use a different form of jutsu? Why not just waste his time doing something that didnt work in the first place? Your making this too complicated when its not.
He has shown swordsmanship and Suiton. And I also gave him his fathers feats.

I'm being no more argumentative than you are. We're having a discussion.
His fathers feats aren't relevant at this point, because we're trying to figure out why he did something in canon.
I'm not making this complicated at all. I think it was a mere coincidence that Gamakichi happened to use senjutsu.
I'm saying maybe he used senjutsu because at that range he had nothing else to use.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'm being no more argumentative than you are. We're having a discussion.

Your arguing against something thats been heavily implied in context. Suggesting something that hardly makes sense on how to read whats happening in those scans.

His fathers feats aren't relevant at this point, because we're trying to figure out why he did something in canon.

I mention them because you had a separate question.

I'm not making this complicated at all. I think it was a mere coincidence that Gamakichi happened to use senjutsu.
I'm saying maybe he used senjutsu because at that range he had nothing else to use.

Dude.

He already witness that Black orbs were too fast, can overpower weapons, and canceled ninjutsu.

He already witness that ninjutsu wasnt able to effect Juubito.

Why would do something that didn't work already?? He isn't. His going to try something that they havent tried yet, which is exactly what he said and exactly what he did.