How is MS sasuke's victory debatable? Guy knows the Uchiha have powerful genjutsu. To counter that he looks at their feet and body to fight them. How would he see amaterasu? If he looks, how would he avoid genjutsu? he can't winHebi Sasuke loses
MS Sasuke wins(debatable)
EMS Sasuke wins
MS Sasuke wins but it's still debatable....Sasuke's genjutsu is nothing like Itachi's...How is MS sasuke's victory debatable? Guy knows the Uchiha have powerful genjutsu. To counter that he looks at their feet and body to fight them. How would he see amaterasu? If he looks, how would he avoid genjutsu? he can't win
not to mention sasuke can counter his taijutsu
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MS sasuke's victory isn't debatable.
OP: MS sasuke and up slaughters, Hebi sasuke is debatable
Yeah he's soo underrated that he failed to beat a sick Itachi who was close to death, had to use CM2 to beat an extremely weakened orochimaru and struggled badly to win against deidera who admitted he was inferior to sasori who lost to both saskura and chiyoHOW DOES GAI BEAT MANDA!?
hebi sasuke so underrated
Sasori did kinda lose because of plot but i do agree with some stuff you said.Yeah he's soo underrated that he failed to beat a sick Itachi who was close to death, had to use CM2 to beat an extremely weakened orochimaru and struggled badly to win against deidera who admitted he was inferior to sasori who lost to both saskura and chiyo
Hebi sasuke is underrated. Oh, and Kisame said that Deidara was one of the stronger akatsuki members(Pain even admitted he was a big loss) so sasuke beating deidara is a good win. Plus, Sasori never lost to Sakura and Chiyo-he essentially killed himself. He would have won if not for plot. Plus, Hebi sasuke pushed itachi more than most ninjas would(and that was without Manda.He also fought Deidara on the same day.)Yeah he's soo underrated that he failed to beat a sick Itachi who was close to death, had to use CM2 to beat an extremely weakened orochimaru and struggled badly to win against deidera who admitted he was inferior to sasori who lost to both saskura and chiyo
He doesn't have to beat manda if manda can't keep up with him. Guy only need 6 gates to beat him. Sasuke gets kicked in da mouth and morning peacockedHOW DOES GAI BEAT MANDA!?
hebi sasuke so underrated
If he gets caught in a weak genjutsu, hes still dead. If Guy doesn't look for amaterasu, hes still dead. If guy tries to attack sasuke, he loses limbs. sasuke low diffMS Sasuke wins but it's still debatable....Sasuke's genjutsu is nothing like Itachi's...
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Ms sasuke doesn't slaughter him..I see him winning but not easily
It wasn't just deidara. it was deidara and tobi. Might Guy would have lost hard as **** in that fight.Yeah he's soo underrated that he failed to beat a sick Itachi who was close to death, had to use CM2 to beat an extremely weakened orochimaru and struggled badly to win against deidera who admitted he was inferior to sasori who lost to both saskura and chiyo
So, Vote and chunnin exams sasuke beats guy? XDAll forms of Sasuke beat Gai. Hebi Sasuke tanked a large scale explosion at just a cost of his wing, he isn't getting hurt by gated Gai. I posted this in another thread for Hebi Sasuke:
You must be registered for see links- Naruto compared Sasuke’s Chidori to Kakashi’s Raikiri – putting all of them at equal status together with Raikage’s Lightening stab that was used with all of his fingers. Now look at Raikage reducing his fingers to increase the attacks potency - he brings it down to three fingers:You must be registered for see links-You must be registered for see links- He does the hell-stab with a single finger.
Sasuke brought it down to two fingers -You must be registered for see links- meaning his Chidori can be made more potent and managed to cut Hachibi's tentacles who endured this:
You must be registered for see links- Look at the size of the blast Hachibi took – Bee had to revert back to his human form, as Hachibi was quite badly injured –You must be registered for see links-You must be registered for see links- Hachibi survived such a large blast, that is how durable it is.
Bee was able to push a V2’s BD back with his ‘full-powered-compressed-Bijuu Dama’-You must be registered for see links- When his barrage together with Naruto’s got mowed down by V1’s Flash-Dama. V2’s BD is literally miles ahead in terms of power tier than Juubi (V1) Flash Dama -You must be registered for see linksBee was able to survive the blow of the blast yet again -You must be registered for see links
You are just slighting Sasuke's Raiton. There is no way in hell he will not be able to counter the mask's inferior Raiton.
Kakuzu over-whelming Sasuke with speed is impossible:
There are plenty of other feats, but I would high-light only a few ones:
-You must be registered for see links- Look at the distance between Sasuke and others. They are less than half the size of Sasuke's head -
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-You must be registered for see links- He covered this distance so fast that both Yamato and Sakura didn't even notice him. Another example of eluding line of sight.
-You must be registered for see links- Mines planted right under the Dragon.
-You must be registered for see links- Deidara Floating on his Dragon. Look at that Dragon's size and then Deidara's.
-You must be registered for see links- Sasuke exiting right, Evading ALL of that explosion in a blink of an eye. He jumped up immediately afterwards to avoid the blast.
Comparison with Minato:
Best Minato Body-flicker feat:You must be registered for see linksandYou must be registered for see links- Note the size here. The size of the cliff and Obito's head. Now compare it to Dragon size, along with Deidara's size and the size of explosion:You must be registered for see linksandYou must be registered for see links.
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That's 'Literally' about thrice the size of distance Minato covered. Minato's best body-flicker feat is laughable before Sasuke.
Heck, Sasuke was able to avoid even this blast size mostly -You must be registered for see links- that is more than ten times the size of the earlier blast.
Sasuke is standing right bellow Deidara -You must be registered for see linksand then suddenly he appears behind him.You must be registered for see links- Deidara has no idea when Sasuke got behind him and is shocked, barely escaping his attack.
Sasuke and his team appear to be as big as the prisoner's armYou must be registered for see links- and then Sasuke suddenly appears behind him while cutting his chest open and both Karin and Suigetsu now seem a little smaller than Sasuke's head.You must be registered for see links- He covered such a distance in a blink of an eye and inflicted four deep and precise Katana slashes in that short time. That's how fast his reaction rate is.
This proves that Sasuke can move fast, so fast that people don't notice with - eluding the line of vision - and is fully capable of using Kenjutsu at the same time. Don't slight Sasuke's capability in eluding the masks.
Sasuke's Katon attacks whould become stronger and overwhelm Kakuzu's:
His dragon Katon attack has three Dragon-Heads that are quite large, and were powerful enough to break through the thick roof easily -
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They were so strong that they made it all the way to the Cloud-Base to kick-start the hot-spot storm:
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Then we have the Great Katon Ball attack as well, that has shown to tear up the ground and is quite fast:
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You must be registered for see links- Distance between Itachi, Kakashi, and others. Kakashi is roughly at half the distance from Chiyo, Sakura, and Naruto.
You must be registered for see links- It tore up the ground and kakashi, who easily avoided Kakuzu's Futton attack had no choice but to go underground, even others barely managed to dodge, who were standing so far off:
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Sasuke is also shown to manipulate Chidori and Fuma Shurikens together:
-You must be registered for see links- Sasuke starts Manipulating Fuma-Shuriken here.
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-You must be registered for see links- Uses his sword as leverage and is using Chidori now as well, all the while he was manipulating Fuma Shurikens as well:
-You must be registered for see links- Cuts off the Wing here.
-You must be registered for see links- Simultaneously - through out this maneuver - manipulating Fuma Shurikens as well with wires. As he was shown to do since part one.
This means, Sasuke can move fast enough and use multiple techniques using high-speed movements. Chidori spear is also five meters long -You must be registered for see links- imagine Sasuke using that in high-speed combat. He is also capable of using 360 Degree Nagashi, as well as making it run in one direction on the ground, so that is also an added factor:
-You must be registered for see links- Chidori Nagashi shredding Mokuton and coming out of his body.
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-You must be registered for see links- He can use it on the ground as well. Both of these take care of kakuzu's threads easily. So CqC with Sasuke will prove to be much more difficult than you can imagine.
Durability and other factors:
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You must be registered for see links- Sasuke survived this level of Blast with CS2. Just in case he gets hit, he's not even even getting scratched.
You slighting Deidara's Clay animals is quite odd:
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You must be registered for see links- Considering that how he was constantly outmaneuvering Gaara at his turf with One-Tails power at his disposal.
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You must be registered for see links- He was even able to get out of this.
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You must be registered for see links- He even out-sped Onoki and others here.
He was even able to keep up with Onoki, who's pretty fast in air. So fast that Kabuto barely saw him coming to use Clones-
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So using that argument that 'hey, that dragon is sluggish and is flying, if it can evade Chidori everyone can' is not even a decent argument.
This doesn't even include the snake summons and Genjutsu. Also, look at Sasuke's feet for MS and die through Amaterasu. Look at his eyes and die through Genjutsu and Amaterasu. It is just simple, really.