Gai vs Minato

[MuerteMiAmigo]

gai is my favorite character but i gotta say minato wins 10 out of 10 times

 

[~Sky~]

Minato's reaction speed isnt in question here,

You said the focus of this fight was reaction time:

Smh @ these post. The focus isn't foot speed, but rather react time. Minato had slight difficulty reacting to Tobi's straightforward offenses. Tobi himself was able to react to Minato's Lv1 ftg tactics.

I was detailing why Minato's reaction time is superior to Gai's, which is indisputable.

though we've seen him almost get wrapped to Kamui!!

Obito attempted to warp him when he first came into contact with him. Gai on the other hand was fighting with knowledge of the ability. Gai couldn't have replicated Minato's feat.

Why are you comparing Ay's foot speed to Kamui?!?

I'm comparing A's foot speed to Gai's. If Minato can handle A, he can handle Gai. A is pretty much an enhanced version of Gai.

Foot Speed =/ ftg or kamui. Do you understand that?

Yes. Don't know why you're stating the obvious though.

Also, its already been shown Minato

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The only reason Minato was able to avoid this was because his Hiraishin is instantaneous. This was straightforward attacks!

Apologies, but I don't see what point you are trying to make with those scans.

"FTG level 2 is proven to be faster" What?! ftg isnt faster,

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"The Fourth Hokage wins the battle of speed."

Minato simply used two kunia, one as a decoy and another used to S/T to to attack Tobi when he materialized to wrap Minato. This was a means to avoiding being wrapped, there is NO speed difference. That was simply Tobi's inexperience at that time, he was a child/teen, nothing in comparison to rinnesgan Tobi experience.

This is untrue. Minato was able to strike Obito before Obito could put up his Kamui defense. This proves that he was faster than Obito.

Similarly, Tobi goes into wrap Gai here

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as he did against Minato. Gai not having S/T couldnt teleport of of the situation, but instead uses his reaction speed to prevent that from happening.

You do realize that Gai had full knowledge of Kamui, while Minato had never once faced it, right? Two completely different situations.

Again like against Minato, in place of the chain, Tobi tried to counteract but Gai again reacted w/o looking

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Impressive feat, but it's a far cry from reacting to Kamui.

The fact means, Kamui is superior because it's harder to avoid. With ftg one can easily counter the mechanics behind it, kunia/tags by not getting touched.

Kamui is more versatile yes, but I've already admitted to this. Anyway, you're ignoring Minato's base speed which is superior speed to anything Gai has shown by far. Minato has better reactions than Gai, he is faster than Gai, he is smarter than Gai. Gai has nothing on Minato.

 

[Avinash012]

Minato's basic taijutsu fodder in comparison to Gai, his ftg is fodder compared to Kamui (Minato stated that himself) .

Don't know from where u pulled it out without knowing a dam thing about Minato's taijutsu..

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Guy and Ay utilize their speeds in completely different ways, he shouldn't even be mentioned here. Not that it matters since the only way Ay even comes close to hanging with Guy in terms of speed is with body flicker.

This really boils down to...

Can Minato react to Guy, and can Guy react to space-time? (which clearly no one here has provided solid evidence to either).

 

[blazekev90]

You said the focus of this fight was reaction time:



I was detailing why Minato's reaction time is superior to Gai's, which is indisputable.



Obito attempted to warp him when he first came into contact with him. Gai on the other hand was fighting with knowledge of the ability. Gai couldn't have replicated Minato's feat.



I'm comparing A's foot speed to Gai's. If Minato can handle A, he can handle Gai. A is pretty much an enhanced version of Gai.



Yes. Don't know why you're stating the obvious though.



Apologies, but I don't see what point you are trying to make with those scans.

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"The Fourth Hokage wins the battle of speed."



This is untrue. Minato was able to strike Obito before Obito could put up his Kamui defense. This proves that he was faster than Obito.



You do realize that Gai had full knowledge of Kamui, while Minato had never once faced it, right? Two completely different situations.



Impressive feat, but it's a far cry from reacting to Kamui.



Kamui is more versatile yes, but I've already admitted to this. Anyway, you're ignoring Minato's base speed which is superior speed to anything Gai has shown by far. Minato has better reactions than Gai, he is faster than Gai, he is smarter than Gai. Gai has nothing on Minato.

Yes, this is about Gai's reaction speed, seeing as Minato is the one with S/T ability and who people think will have ability to blitz. Therefore, I've defended Gai's reaction speed ability.

You're speaking of knowledge as if the changes one reaction speed! Minato witnessed his ability and still almost got caught a second time, so I fail to see you point. Btw Gai has knowledge of Minato's abilities.


The points with those scans demonstrate how 1) Minato's S/T come into play and 2) How Gai was able react to similar situations. In Minato's situations illustrated more difficulty in that altercation.

S/T has no speed increase itself, please explain to me how it does? Minato re-positioned himself to the kunia he teleported to. simple!

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Tobi materialized after touching and used Minato used ftg

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again quite simple

Gai was aware of the basic mechanics of Kamui. That was his first time actually fighting against Kamui. Please dont try to use that as an excuse, because its not. As stated, this does NOT determine ones reaction speed generally.

What is it if its not reacting? Please enlighten me

Minato's base...what about it? Are you implying that it'll blitz? Something we've need really seen used in battle. Mind you we've been discussing base Gai lol.

 

[Booker]

Yes, this is about Gai's reaction speed, seeing as Minato is the one with S/T ability and who people think will have ability to blitz. Therefore, I've defended Gai's reaction speed ability.

You're speaking of knowledge as if the changes one reaction speed! Minato witnessed his ability and still almost got caught a second time, so I fail to see you point. Btw Gai has knowledge of Minato's abilities.


The points with those scans demonstrate how 1) Minato's S/T come into play and 2) How Gai was able react to similar situations. In Minato's situations illustrated more difficulty in that altercation.

S/T has no speed increase itself, please explain to me how it does? Minato re-positioned himself to the kunia he teleported to. simple!

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Tobi materialized after touching and used Minato used ftg

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again quite simple

Gai was aware of the basic mechanics of Kamui. That was his first time actually fighting against Kamui. Please dont try to use that as an excuse, because its not. As stated, this does NOT determine ones reaction speed generally.

What is it if its not reacting? Please enlighten me

Minato's base...what about it? Are you implying that it'll blitz? Something we've need really seen used in battle. Mind you we've been discussing base Gai lol.

So wait, do you honestly think Gai would have been fast enough to fight MS Obito? Because if you think Gai can beat Minato, that implies Gai has enough speed to beat MS Obito since Minato is faster than MS Obito.

Also still waiting on those scans that show Gai is anywhere close to Minato's speed.

 

[blazekev90]

So wait, do you honestly think Gai would have been fast enough to fight MS Obito? Because if you think Gai can beat Minato, that implies Gai has enough speed to beat MS Obito.

Also still waiting on those scans that show Gai is anywhere close to Minato's speed.

Gai has demonstrated the ability prevent yourself from getting warped, and a method to actually defeat Kamui. However, he hasn't demonstrated a method to defeat Obito in the process, which is what Minato did in the end of their fight. Kamui is S/T

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

So wait, do you honestly think Gai would have been fast enough to fight MS Obito? Because if you think Gai can beat Minato, that implies Gai has enough speed to beat MS Obito since Minato is faster than MS Obito.

Also still waiting on those scans that show Gai is anywhere close to Minato's speed.

You can't necessarily compare the two. Depends on what you define "speed" as.

Guy shits on Minato in terms of natural, running speed.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato's basic taijutsu fodder in comparison to Gai, his ftg is fodder compared to Kamui (Minato stated that himself) .

Facts > Statements.

FTG beat Kamui so that's irrelevant.

Minato's taijutsu is irrelevant as getting touched means Gai is dead.

Guy shits on Minato in terms of natural, running speed.

Says who?

Gai never blitzed anyone. At least Minato was praised by Obito and Tobirama for his SHUNSHIN speed.

He's the fastest in the manga as far as unbuffed ( no BM, Gates, Raiton Shroud ) speed goes.

 

[blazekev90]

trying to find visible scans of how to compare their speeds is difficult, as someone else has stated. This is Kish's fault, because if you consider how Lee's speed was portrayed in part 1 you would think he's just as fast, hadn't we known any better. Speed consistency isnt something we see in the series. Therefore, I focused on reaction speed, which is more important in this fight

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Reaction speed?

Minato reacted to V2 Ay, Gai doesn't have shit on him.

 

[blazekev90]

Facts > Statements.

FTG beat Kamui so that's irrelevant.

Minato's taijutsu is irrelevant as getting touched means Gai is dead.



Says who?

Gai never blitzed anyone. At least Minato was praised by Obito and Tobirama for his SHUNSHIN speed.

He's the fastest in the manga as far as unbuffed ( no BM, Gates, Raiton Shroud ) speed goes.

Ftg didn't beat kamui, it beat an inexperienced Obito who materialized as both were running towards one another. Ftg came into after Obito had touched Minato, Obito failed to react.

Taijutsu isnt irrelevant? Minato uses taijutsu...who else would the fight go?

I know you're a difficult one to convince though lol

 

[Booker]

Gai has demonstrated the ability prevent yourself from getting warped, and a method to actually defeat Kamui. However, he hasn't demonstrated a method to defeat Obito in the process, which is what Minato did in the end of their fight. Kamui is S/T

You mean when he had intel on kamui and was being backed up by Kakashi and Naruto?

You can't necessarily compare the two. Depends on what you define "speed" as.

Guy shits on Minato in terms of natural, running speed.

lol wut?

Log off, you clearly know nothing about Naruto. Minato sh*ts in Gai's hands then makes him eat it. In terms of "overall running" speed, of course

Also there's only one definition of speed in this case, moron.

 

[Prince Charles]

In terms of better reactions between Guy and Minato I think the obvious would be Minato? He has better reaction time feats than Guy as the manga displayed.

 

[~Sky~]

Yes, this is about Gai's reaction speed, seeing as Minato is the one with S/T ability and who people think will have ability to blitz. Therefore, I've defended Gai's reaction speed ability.

You were defending Gai's reaction time while disregarding Minato's. Minato's reactions are superior.

You're speaking of knowledge as if the changes one reaction speed! Minato witnessed his ability and still almost got caught a second time, so I fail to see you point.

He did not almost get caught a second time. Don't know where you got that from.

Btw Gai has knowledge of Minato's abilities.

So did

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. So did

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. That didn't stop them from getting owned.

The points with those scans demonstrate how 1) Minato's S/T come into play and 2) How Gai was able react to similar situations. In Minato's situations illustrated more difficulty in that altercation.

Gai was never in any situation similar to Minato's. Gai fought Obito with support from Naruto, Kakashi, and Bee; while having full intel on Obito's secret ability. Gai fought a pee-wee version of Minato's battle.

S/T has no speed increase itself, please explain to me how it does? Minato re-positioned himself to the kunia he teleported to. simple!

The winner of the battle was said to be the one who would

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. Minato

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. Therefore Minato was faster, as the manga explicitly stated.

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Tobi materialized after touching and used Minato used ftg

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again quite simple

Tobi never touched Minato, he materialized to touch him but Minato teleported before he could do so.

Gai was aware of the basic mechanics of Kamui. That was his first time actually fighting against Kamui. Please dont try to use that as an excuse, because its not. As stated, this does NOT determine ones reaction speed generally.

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. He knew what would work and what wouldn't against Obito. Again, he gets warped if he's in

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.

What is it if its not reacting? Please enlighten me

I don't know what you're referring to here, but Minato has shown superior reaction feats compared to Gai, so it doesn't really matter. You're comparing FTG to Kamui when they're utilized in completely different ways.

Minato's base...what about it? Are you implying that it'll blitz? Something we've need really seen used in battle. Mind you we've been discussing base Gai lol.

No, but Minato's base speed is fast enough to dodge just about all of Gai's attacks. It was fast enough to

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, fast enough to intercept Naruto before being stabbed

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, fast enough to blitz Rock nin before his backpack even touched the ground

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. Against the Raikage, he was able to throw his Kunai right before being

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and he's able to place marks without his enemy noticing

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[Legendary Toad Sage]

Facts > Statements.

FTG beat Kamui so that's irrelevant.

Minato's taijutsu is irrelevant as getting touched means Gai is dead.



Says who?

Gai never blitzed anyone. At least Minato was praised by Obito and Tobirama for his SHUNSHIN speed.

He's the fastest in the manga as far as unbuffed ( no BM, Gates, Raiton Shroud ) speed goes.

Yes, his shunshin speed was praised, but this does not speak very much for his base speed.

I was referring to gated Guy, who operates without shunshin and is leaps and bounds faster than him as far as physical speed is concerned.

 

[blazekev90]

In terms of better reactions between Guy and Minato I think the obvious would be Minato? He has better reaction time feats than Guy as the manga displayed.

Where? using ftg?

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

You mean when he had intel on kamui and was being backed up by Kakashi and Naruto?



lol wut?

Log off, you clearly know nothing about Naruto. Minato sh*ts in Gai's hands then makes him eat it. In terms of "overall running" speed, of course

Also there's only one definition of speed in this case, moron.

So acrimonious.

If there was a scenario in which Minato did not utilize Hiraishin or Shunshin, then Gated Guy would shit in his mouth. If you think otherwise, your are completely deluded and possibly retarded.

 

[Booker]

Yes, his shunshin speed was praised, but this does not speak very much for his base speed.

I was referring to gated Guy, who operates without shunshin and is leaps and bounds faster than him as far as physical speed is concerned.

Shunshin is footspeed idiot.

Also, where's your proof Gai doesn't use chakra to enhance his speed?

So acrimonious.

If there was a scenario in which Minato did not utilize Hiraishin or Shunshin, then Gated Guy would shit in his mouth. If you think otherwise, your are completely deluded and possibly retarded.

It's a real shame he can and always does then, isn't it? Which means Minato makes Gai eat sh*t.

Don't worry, read more manga and you'll get caught up one day.

 

[To Whatever]

Gai doesn't have the arsenal to combat Minato.

Minato has powerful summons ftg and rasengan.

Gai also suffers from the drawbacks of his strongest attacks/modes. He's only good for 1 or 2 of those then he's done.

Gai's best bet is going into 7 or 8 gates and blitzing Minato before he can prep his Kunai. Which isn't likely