[VS] Gai vs Itachi

[AGoodBoy]

He couldn't react to his striking speed, reading hand seals is different

Not only that but sm sensing, I think and speed of a god.

Are we forgetting juubito speed feats in this form?

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. Kishi uses those strike shapes(circled in red) to depict that some sort of impact happened. Seeing as madara was still on his two feet, it tells us guy hit him, but madara blocked the hit. Otherwise madara would be propelled onto his back.

Also, Madara good and well reacted to hirudora. Just because guy did a bunch of taijutsu, while madara simply jumped back, doesn't mean madara didn't react. Otherwise madara would be flat on his face in that first panel (Where his hand was to his face).

That's if it could keep up with his speed and cover from every angle

Madara's rinnegan could se ehim perfectly. Susano'o is a chakra manifest covering the user. Even if, by some stroke of luck, yata doesn't move in time, susano'o's still there to tank the hit. Susano'o's tanked lightning, tbb's and rasengan; all guy has is a speculated feat the his hirudora can bust susano'o.

 

[HNIC]

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. Kishi uses those strike shapes(circled in red) to depict that some sort of impact happened. Seeing as madara was still on his two feet, it tells us guy hit him, but madara blocked the hit. Otherwise madara would be propelled onto his back.

Also, Madara good and well reacted to hirudora. Just because guy did a bunch of taijutsu, while madara simply jumped back, doesn't mean madara didn't react. Otherwise madara would be flat on his face in that first panel (Where his hand was to his face).

Those impacts weren't blocked according to his approach. The first blow was the same stance Madara had in the prior panel, he didn't react! Madara had the stance simply from the result of the smoke/dirty emerging after entering gates. THERE WAS NO REACTION THERE as he made no adjustment nor had time to make one

The second blow shows not react from Madara. As we all know the blows connected, as illustrated, Madara was simply pushed back and didn't fly backwards as a normal person would. The reason they concluded taijutsu wouldn't work. How many times do I have to explain this?

I said he reacted to hand seals.

Edit: yes, I know susnaoo is chakra, which is why I've said forcefully causing Itachi to deactivate it. Susnaoo can only tank but so much continuously which the user having to worry about chakra to keep it stable and eye strain.

 

[shelke]

Madara didn't react to Gai? Wow ... Lol

Sasuke, Itachi, V1 Ae, Minato, Bee etc should be able to react to Gates Gai just fine, as their speed matches KCM Naruto's. Kisame is also a great contender.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Those impacts weren't blocked according to his approach. The first blow was the same stance Madara had in the prior panel, he didn't react! Madara had the stance simply from the result of the smoke/dirty emerging after entering gates. THERE WAS NO REACTION THERE as he made no adjustment nor had time to make one

The second blow shows not react from Madara. As we all know the blows connected, as illustrated, Madara was simply pushed back and didn't fly backwards as a normal person would. The reason they concluded taijutsu wouldn't work. How many times do I have to explain this?

I said he reacted to hand seals.

Madara's hand moved from his face to another position.
MAdara was in a jumping back pose while guy was doing a bunch of bullshit for a few feet. How was he in the same position?
So, Madara could easily react to guy's hand movement for hirudora, but he couldn't react to body movement? You do know that handspeed is faster than body movement right...?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Madara didn't block anything! He had no time to react, his stance was the same as the prior panel, Gai blitz and the blow pushed him back and the so did the second. Madara's arms are straightforward illustrating him being pushed backwards.

Jumping back to evade his attacks. If Gai was truly able to blitz him then Madara wouldn't have never been able to jump back or break through Hirudora.​

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Gai had no advantage, wtf lol

Madara wasn't able to see the beginning of his movement because of the stream surrounding Gai. That is an advantage.​

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You're comparing 6th gate Gai that fought Kisame to 7th gate the fought Madara. Madara failed to react accordingly even with his sensing ability. I'm not trying to twist anything, the manga clearly demonstrates this.

Guy used the 7th Gate against Kisame in their fight near turtle island and wasn't able to blitz him. Infact, Kisame matched his attack speed despite Kisame's requiring Chakra kneading and Gai's did not.

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Susnaoo has shown slow movement, that is not keeping up with Gai. Which is why I asked if you're preferring to Itachi without susnaoo activated.

I never said Susano'O was faster than Gai. I doesn't need to, but Hachimon Gai isn't fast enough to where Itachi can't react.​

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Omg for you joking? Sharingan can read movements regardless in one if able to physically react to it. His sharingan was slower bro lol

No it doesn't. Its possible to be fast enough to escape the Sharingan's vision entirely. Though I don't see what the point of this is. It doesn't even counter the original point that Gai being to attack in rapid succession at multiple points was replicated by a much slower character. The difference in speed proves that the point in and of itself was pointless.​

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Feats used by lesser tier shinobi against lesser tier opponents seem to be one the same level, when they're not. Are you saying base lee is as fast as Itachi? He's shown faster feats

So far you point has been "Gai can attack in succession from multiple points so that means he's fast." Which is true, but your trying to say that because of it he's fast enough that Itachi won't be able to defend.

Which doesn't contain any logic. Don't know where you got me saying Base Lee was faster than Itachi from anyway.​

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[HNIC]

Madara's hand moved from his face to another position.
MAdara was in a jumping back pose while guy was doing a bunch of bullshit for a few feet. How was he in the same position?
So, Madara could easily react to guy's hand movement for hirudora, but he couldn't react to body movement? You do know that handspeed is faster than body movement right...?

The change in his hand position was him being pushed backwards -_- obviously after getting hit and you're pushed back your body readjust

That "jumping" position occurs when Gai uses hand seals, which we both acknowledge was read/predicted, not his strikes.

Same position being, the prior page to where he stood as Gai approached in the next page.

Hands and striking speed obviously takes different times, performing hand seals require steps and we see Madara "!" And his reaction was simply swinging forward.

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi wins this.

 

[shelke]

This is still going? God.

 

[AGoodBoy]

The change in his hand position was him being pushed backwards -_- obviously after getting hit and you're pushed back your body readjust

That "jumping" position occurs when Gai uses hand seals, which we both acknowledge was read/predicted, not his strikes.

Same position being, the prior page to where he stood as Gai approached in the next page.

Hands and striking speed obviously takes different times, performing hand seals require steps and we see Madara "!" And his reaction was simply swinging forward.

Obito pushed his hand through madara. naruto and sasuke's ama-rasengan propelled juubito a few hundred meters away. Clearly. Clearllllyyyyy. If guy hit madara, he wouldn't have flown just 1 cm infront of him. Ontop of that, guy wouldn't need to continue executing taijutsu moves. Madara would be flung several feet away.
Really, you're just going off the fact that madara wasn't doing backflips also. Guy's the one who was trying taijutsu... madara's job was just to avoid. Yes, guy was fast enough to keep at him, but madara clearly dodged. If he was fast enough to react to hand speed, he's obviously fast enough to react to body movement.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

This is still going? God.

Im about to follow you suite. The fact I have debate that Rikudo Madara didn't get blitzed over drawing details that are also used for blocking is enough to say its been enough.

(Despite the fact that Edo Madara was reacting to V1 Ay's Shunshin only having had Ay put in his vision when the punch was only inches from his face)​

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[HNIC]

Jumping back to evade his attacks. If Gai was truly able to blitz him then Madara wouldn't have never been able to jump back or break through Hirudora.​

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Madara wasn't able to see the beginning of his movement because of the stream surrounding Gai. That is an advantage.​

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Guy used the 7th Gate against Kisame in their fight near turtle island and wasn't able to blitz him. Infact, Kisame matched his attack speed despite Kisame's requiring Chakra kneading and Gai's did not.

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I never said Susano'O was faster than Gai. I doesn't need to, but Hachimon Gai isn't fast enough to where Itachi can't react.​

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No it doesn't. Its possible to be fast enough to escape the Sharingan's vision entirely. Though I don't see what the point of this is. It doesn't even counter the original point that Gai being to attack in rapid succession at multiple points was replicated by a much slower character. The difference in speed proves that the point in and of itself was pointless.​

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So far you point has been "Gai can attack in succession from multiple points so that means he's fast." Which is true, but your trying to say that because of it he's fast enough that Itachi won't be able to defend.

Which doesn't contain any logic. Don't know where you got me saying Base Lee was faster than Itachi from anyway.​

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Fiirst line was a fail. Jumping to "avoid" attacks implies that they didn't connect, which in fact they did. Madara was in the SAME position from the prior page, what aren't y'all getting!?! He was blitz! Didn't you trying posting the scan with Itachi and bee and Naruto being in the same position as a speed feat??! This is the same, Madara was in the same position and Gai had already blitz to him

Sensing, he doesn't need to see lol


When did Kisame match his speed? Are you referring to the climax ending where both used their final jutsu? -_-

Itachi being able to react...I highly doubt that and it's almost ridiculous to think he can if 7th gate is used to strike. Susnaoo being able to react -_-

You understand my point it seems but haven't proven how Itachi defends

 

[HNIC]

Honestly I'm tired now, I've been arguing against the three or four of you all day. It's pointless and I need a rest.

 

[shelke]

Im about to follow you suite. The fact I have debate that Rikudo Madara didn't get blitzed over drawing details that are also used for blocking is enough to say its been enough.

(Despite the fact that Edo Madara was reacting to V1 Ay's Shunshin only having had Ay put in his vision when the punch was only inches from his face)​

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He stated that Kisame reacting to 7th gate technique was a pointless feat as well. You clearly wasted your time. 7th Gate Gai eluding Sharingan is nonsense, unsupported by manga. When Madara with Rinnegan can see him, Kisame saw his gated Strike Speed. There is nothing left to debate here.