[VS] Gai vs Itachi

[shelke]

^ Won't repeat my points again. You have nothing to back up any of your statements, period.

 

[HNIC]

Madara and Gai had two exchanges. I would love for you to tell where in either of these that Madara didn't react.
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If Gai attacks a point on Susano'O; then Yata no Kagami will extend to block it. Even if you interpret its hype and feats right, it still blocks Hirudora. (Yata is mountain - city level)​

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Because you said that Gai being able to use teleport like movements was the reason that Itachi wouldn't be able to keep up. Which that act of speed was already accomplished by a much lesser character.

Mentioning Kakashi having to use Sharingan is pointless as well. He's far faster now and your point isn't backed up by Kakashi using Sharingan at all.​

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Don't crop scans, that leads to misinterpretation

Gai approached Madara, Madara's reaction was "!" No physical reaction. The middle portion of the scan shows us how that conflicts unfold. The first approach striking Madara and Gai transitioning into a round house kick which lands. Kish illustrates the impact with the white spots appearing.

Madara's arm went up the moment Gai used 7th gate because of the smoke/dust. He didn't react to anything there. However, it does seem he reacted to his hand seals, by swinging his staff, that's all.

Gai attacks from multiple directions, so yata reacting according is debatable and needs to be proven

That was performed by lesser tier users against lesser tier opponents. It's displayed accordingly, you know that. Sharingan still predicts movement, Kakashi being faster now means nothing.

 

[HNIC]

^ Won't repeat my points again. You have nothing to back up any of your statements, period.

Your points aren't valid to begin with. Claiming a reaction lol

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Don't crop scans, that leads to misinterpretation

Gai approached Madara, Madara's reaction was "!" No physical reaction. The middle portion of the scan shows us how that conflicts unfold. The first approach striking Madara and Gai transitioning into a round house kick which lands. Kish illustrates the impact with the white spots appearing.

If your smarter than the keyboard your typing on then you can understand cropped scans.

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They were blocked, if they weren't then Madara would have had some type of reaction to the blow.​

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Madara's arm went up the moment Gai used 7th gate because of the smoke/dust. He didn't react to anything there. However, it does seem he reacted to his hand seals, by swinging his staff, that's all.

His arm went up a panel before Gai was shown in front of him. Gai even had the advantage have a cover so that Madara wasn't able to tell when he moved.

Kisame was keeping up with Gai fine. What your doing right now is attempting to twist slight details that don't even correlate into the favor of Gai.​

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Gai attacks from multiple directions, so yata reacting according is debatable and needs to be proven

Yet there's nothing to say that Gai is able to outpace Itachi in the first place.​

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That was performed by lesser tier users against lesser tier opponents. It's displayed accordingly, you know that. Sharingan still predicts movement, Kakashi being faster now means nothing.

And how so? Kakashi using Sharingan back then and being slower doesn't mean anything? That's beyond illogical.

Your point was that Gai being able to attack from multiple directions was relevant, when the fact is those "lesser tiers" were able to do the same thing.
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[Touken]

People are actually saying 7th Gate Gai isn't faster than Itachi?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

People are actually saying 7th Gate Gai isn't faster than Itachi?

If your referring to me then that's not what im saying. Just Gai blitzing is outlandish.​

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[AGoodBoy]

I'm talking about Gai's physically punching it from various sides, as Lee did Garra. Totsuka doesn't cover the entire susnaoo

Totsuka repels all. Sasuke as repelled before he could make contact with it.
Guy would be repelled before he touches it, so would his hirudora. He just can't get past it.

 

[Touken]

If your referring to me then that's not what im saying. Just Gai blitzing is outlandish.​

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If Itachi doesn't put up Susanoo, then of course he gets blitzed.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

If Itachi doesn't put up Susanoo, then of course he gets blitzed.

Your really underrating Itachi's Shunshin. Its easily on par with KM Naruto's Base Speed.

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[fastrthnwind]

People are actually saying 7th Gate Gai isn't faster than Itachi?

they are saying that itachi and other notably fast characters have the inhuman reaction and reflexes to avoid/defend against an EXTREMELY FAST and WELL TRAINED SPECIALIST in the art of taijutsu who is using the power of the 7TH GATE which is one gate before the gate of death. yea they could all casually avoid it like its nothing, especially characters with such a HAX ability like the sharingan which gives them the ability to see anything moving faster than the speed of light and therefore makes them immune to anyone with any speed whatsoever.

seriously, normal shinobi, or even elite shinobi cannot react to this level of power and speed unless they themselves have the EQUIVALENT amount of power and speed to avoid it, and the amount of people on that list who have an ability similar to it can be counted on just your hands.

Guess what? Itachi isnt one of them.(i will ignore any attempts to bring kirin into this)

 

[AGoodBoy]

why are you guys arguing that sharingan can't see guy's movement? Madara clearly saw his movements in the latest manga. He even looked at guy's fingers when he prepped hirudora. He did all that with a rinnegan which, let's be honest, doesn't even have the precog feats of a sharingan.

 

[Touken]

Your really underrating Itachi's Shunshin. Its easily on par with KM Naruto's Base Speed.

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Except that KCM Naruto's speed is inconsistent. Add the fact that Shunshin is naturally faster than combat speed.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Except that KCM Naruto's speed is inconsistent. Add the fact that Shunshin is naturally faster than combat speed.

Naturally yes. Though I think you misinterpreted what I said, KM Naruto's Base Speed (Non-Shunshin) was enough to keep up with and match Ay's V1 Shunshin. Itachi's feats from that chapter puts his Shunshin at least equal to or above V1 Ay's Shunshin.

Naruto's Shunshin isn't inconsistent either. There's almost always a reason why he's not blitzing around.​

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[HNIC]

If your smarter than the keyboard your typing on then you can understand cropped scans.

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They were blocked, if they weren't then Madara would have had some type of reaction to the blow.​

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His arm went up a panel before Gai was shown in front of him. Gai even had the advantage have a cover so that Madara wasn't able to tell when he moved.

Kisame was keeping up with Gai fine. What your doing right now is attempting to twist slight details that don't even correlate into the favor of Gai.​

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Yet there's nothing to say that Gai is able to outpace Itachi in the first place.​

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And how so? Kakashi using Sharingan back then and being slower doesn't mean anything? That's beyond illogical.

Your point was that Gai being able to attack from multiple directions was relevant, when the fact is those "lesser tiers" were able to do the same thing.
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Madara didn't block anything! He had no time to react, his stance was the same as the prior panel, Gai blitz and the blow pushed him back and the so did the second. Madara's arms are straightforward illustrating him being pushed backwards.

Gai had no advantage, wtf lol

You're comparing 6th gate Gai that fought Kisame to 7th gate the fought Madara. Madara failed to react accordingly even with his sensing ability. I'm not trying to twist anything, the manga clearly demonstrates this.

Susnaoo has shown slow movement, that is not keeping up with Gai. Which is why I asked if you're preferring to Itachi without susnaoo activated.

Omg for you joking? Sharingan can read movements regardless in one if able to physically react to it. His sharingan was slower bro lol

Feats used by lesser tier shinobi against lesser tier opponents seem to be one the same level, when they're not. Are you saying base lee is as fast as Itachi? He's shown faster feats

 

[HNIC]

why are you guys arguing that sharingan can't see guy's movement? Madara clearly saw his movements in the latest manga. He even looked at guy's fingers when he prepped hirudora. He did all that with a rinnegan which, let's be honest, doesn't even have the precog feats of a sharingan.

He couldn't react to his striking speed, reading hand seals is different

Not only that but sm sensing, I think and speed of a god.

Are we forgetting juubito speed feats in this form?

 

[Touken]

Naturally yes. Though I think you misinterpreted what I said, KM Naruto's Base Speed (Non-Shunshin) was enough to keep up with and match Ay's V1 Shunshin. Itachi's feats from that chapter puts his Shunshin at least equal to or above V1 Ay's Shunshin.​

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No... I just said Shunshin is different to combat speed. Don't remember KCM Naruto using any kind of blitzing speed once in that battle, so there's nothing that points to Itachi having Shunshin that's equal to V1 Ay's.

 

[Brooks]

You don't have't to restrict anything gai would still **** his shit up.

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[HNIC]

Totsuka repels all. Sasuke as repelled before he could make contact with it.
Guy would be repelled before he touches it, so would his hirudora. He just can't get past it.

That's if it could keep up with his speed and cover from every angle

 

[Disquiet]

I just don't see Itachi, who is extremely smart and good at reading people, not seeing the chakra build up inside Gai, and making preparations to defend against a known Taijutsu user. I mean he was able to react before lightning could hit him.

Of course we have to see 8 gates, it'd suck for Gai to use that and then be rolling around in pain on the ground while Itachi is still standing. =/

 

[HNIC]

they are saying that itachi and other notably fast characters have the inhuman reaction and reflexes to avoid/defend against an EXTREMELY FAST and WELL TRAINED SPECIALIST in the art of taijutsu who is using the power of the 7TH GATE which is one gate before the gate of death. yea they could all casually avoid it like its nothing, especially characters with such a HAX ability like the sharingan which gives them the ability to see anything moving faster than the speed of light and therefore makes them immune to anyone with any speed whatsoever.

seriously, normal shinobi, or even elite shinobi cannot react to this level of power and speed unless they themselves have the EQUIVALENT amount of power and speed to avoid it, and the amount of people on that list who have an ability similar to it can be counted on just your hands.

Guess what? Itachi isnt one of them.(i will ignore any attempts to bring kirin into this)

Idk where they're getting this lol