Gai v Itachi

[Uchihareborn207]

Danzo's fuuton was going through complete Susanoo and Gai's Hirudora is way stronger than it.

No, V2 isn't blocking that.

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1 that was not complete susanoo it was V2.
2. the fuuton jutsu that danzo used is a drill jutsu which is not hirudora case.
3. it only cause that because of the kchiose who improved a lot danzo's attack

 

[Uchihareborn207]

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the susanoo that tanked hirudora it's obviously weaker than itachi's complet susanoo. plus yata mirror = gai raped in less than 5 seconds.

 

[fastrthnwind]

I'd like to make a correction to everyone's thoughts about susanoo tanking Kirin.

It didn't.

Yata Mirror did.

It wasn't immediately shown because Itachi was merely showing the different progressing levels of susanoo before finally revealing complete susanoo with yata mirror.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'd like to make a correction to everyone's thoughts about susanoo tanking Kirin.

It didn't.

Yata Mirror did.

It wasn't immediately shown because Itachi was merely showing the different progressing levels of susanoo before finally revealing complete susanoo with yata mirror.

If it were Yata Mirror it would have been repelled. But it wasn't repelled so it couldn't have been the mirror, it was incomplete Susanoo.

Not to mention incomplete is the only one that he's ever been able to activate instantly.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

I'd like to make a correction to everyone's thoughts about susanoo tanking Kirin.

It didn't.

Yata Mirror did.

It wasn't immediately shown because Itachi was merely showing the different progressing levels of susanoo before finally revealing complete susanoo with yata mirror.

Another uchiha hater:snick:

 

[AGoodBoy]

I firmly believe Gai can defeat Itachi high difficulty.

He can counter genjutsu by not looking into his eyes.

He can avoid amaterasu with his speed in gates.

Afternoon tiger would destroy Itachi's Susano'o.

No. Finger genjutsu and itachi has been shown to manipulate people into looking into his eyes.

No. He has never been shown to be as fast as V2 shuushined raikage (his after image is what dodged amaterasu*

no. Afternoon tiger isn't getting past yata mirror, let alone susano'o.


Itachi's jutsu speed is too fast for guy. Along with the fact that itachi himself is also a speed demon and has the sharingan to predict moves, guy can't blitz him. Unless guy is as fast as V2 ay and can move faster than a sharingan can see (unlikely) itachi would be able to counter every move he makes.

Itachi has shadow clones. With the speed at which he executes that jutsu, and the fact that he can do it mid fight and without moving, guy will be forced to waste his gated moves on shadow clones more times than not. Guy won't be distinguishing between the clones, nor will he see them comming. Kakashi was completely out-sped by itachi's clone execution (only escaping because he made a water clone as a precaution because itachi's jutsu speed was too fast for even his sharingan) and bee was also caught by surprise by itachi's clone execution. Guy hasn't shown any feats that would have us believe that he can keep track of such speedy executions, especially when he's always going to be looking down. The same move itachi used on naruto and guy (making a clone and jumping up) would go completely missed by guy as he'd be looking at a clone who hasn't moved an inch, while itachi is already above his head.

Itachi wouldn't need to use MS to win this fight, nor would looking at his feet win this for guy. Itachi has shown the ablity to get above people unaware, and from there he can rain down fireball jutsu, phoenix flower jutsu, or even an amaterasu before guy knew what was happening. His superior taijutsu, genjutsu, and ninjutsu would be too much for guy (especially while being forced to only look at his feet)

Itachi is simply on a different level to guy.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Using another example to try and prove me wrong when V2 has already tanked something stronger than Hirudora? Unless you think Hirudora>Kirin.

The bold is merely an assumption, not to mention feats dictate that with Baku's suction powering it up, it is (No matter how unbelievable you think it is), as it was able to get past a V3 Susanoo's defenses, while Kirin (Stronger than Hirudora) was blocked by a V2 Susanoo but was obliterated in the process.

V2 Susanoo will take moderate damage, but Itachi can just fix that after the blast. There is no way that Hirudora is getting past Itachi's V2 Susanoo and killing him, to suggest such would be saying Hirudora>Kirin, and that is false.

It traveled over to his location, doesn't make it instant.

Bold.

They were a big distance away. No match usually starts at less than 50 meters, so traveling isn't an issue.

Not only did it fling -MADARA'S- ( note that Mads' Susanoo is not only EMS enhanced, it's also the strongest in the manga ) like a toy, but Madara was nowhere to be found for a full chapter. ( from 608's end to 609's end ).

You can debate he was just playing dead, but, meanwhile, Obito was getting pummeled

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and as Obito said, Kakashi could have killed him back then.

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So, seeing as how Obito is the only person who can revive Madara via Rinne Tensei, why in the world would Madara let him take heavy blows and possibly die, if he could do something against it?

It makes no sense so the only logical explanation is that Hirudora destroyed Madara's V3 and incapacitated him ( and Edo Tensei healed him ).

So, while you might not like the idea of Hirudora being stronger than Kirin, it dealt more damage to Madara than Kirin dealt to Itachi.

Unless you'd argue that Itachi's V2 > Madara's V3, Hirudora is stronger than Kirin and will have no issue whatsoever destroying Itachi's V2.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

Bold.

They were a big distance away. No match usually starts at less than 50 meters, so traveling isn't an issue.

Not only did it fling -MADARA'S- ( note that Mads' Susanoo is not only EMS enhanced, it's also the strongest in the manga ) like a toy, but Madara was nowhere to be found for a full chapter. ( from 608's end to 609's end ).

You can debate he was just playing dead, but, meanwhile, Obito was getting pummeled

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and as Obito said, Kakashi could have killed him back then.

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So, seeing as how Obito is the only person who can revive Madara via Rinne Tensei, why in the world would Madara let him take heavy blows and possibly die, if he could do something against it?

It makes no sense so the only logical explanation is that Hirudora destroyed Madara's V3 and incapacitated him ( and Edo Tensei healed him ).

So, while you might not like the idea of Hirudora being stronger than Kirin, it dealt more damage to Madara than Kirin dealt to Itachi.

Unless you'd argue that Itachi's V2 > Madara's V3, Hirudora is stronger than Kirin and will have no issue whatsoever destroying Itachi's V2.

1.Mads' Susanoo (not talking about ps) is weaker than a complete susanoo because it has no armor. It seems like when you acquire EMS and discover susanoo secrets you can customize it and that would explain why it's diferent than the others susanoo.
2.And also your point on madara caring about obito can be counter with the later chapters.

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if he realy did care about obito he wouldn't let him face kakashi alone on the kamui dimension ( he could make a mokuton clone to aid obito )
3. we all know that madara like to chill and that is what he was doing at 609's end.Juuubi (who is more importante than obito) is getting fodderized by the allience and he does nothing.
4. in conclusion hirudora did nothing to madara at the point he was chilling ( wellZzz).

 

[pateuvasiliu]

if he realy did care about obito he wouldn't let him face kakashi alone on the kamui dimension

Uhm no, Obito is so much stronger than Kakashi it's not even funny. Madara has no reason to be worried about Kakashi.

3. we all know that madara like to chill and that is what he was doing at 609's end.Juuubi (who is more importante than obito) is getting fodderized by the allience and he does nothing.

Do you really think the Juubi will die to Amaterasu?

4. in conclusion hirudora did nothing to madara at the point he was chilling ( well).

Chilling under rubble? Sure.

And Itachi putting up anything stronger than V3 takes time, which he won't have at a 50m distance.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

Uhm no, Obito is so much stronger than Kakashi it's not even funny. Madara has no reason to be worried about Kakashi.

He is much stronger? than why did he almost got killed twice.


Do you really think the Juubi will die to Amaterasu?

It won't but it will cause serious damage.



Chilling under rubble? Sure.

You can't blame the man for being lazy.

And Itachi putting up anything stronger than V3 takes time, which he won't have at a 50m distance.

In that case itachi amateratsu gai and the fight is settle.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

In that case itachi amateratsu gai and the fight is settle.

I'd dare argue Gai in the 7th gate can avoid it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bold.

They were a big distance away. No match usually starts at less than 50 meters, so traveling isn't an issue.

Not only did it fling -MADARA'S- ( note that Mads' Susanoo is not only EMS enhanced, it's also the strongest in the manga ) like a toy, but Madara was nowhere to be found for a full chapter. ( from 608's end to 609's end ).

You can debate he was just playing dead, but, meanwhile, Obito was getting pummeled

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and as Obito said, Kakashi could have killed him back then.

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So, seeing as how Obito is the only person who can revive Madara via Rinne Tensei, why in the world would Madara let him take heavy blows and possibly die, if he could do something against it?

It makes no sense so the only logical explanation is that Hirudora destroyed Madara's V3 and incapacitated him ( and Edo Tensei healed him ).

So, while you might not like the idea of Hirudora being stronger than Kirin, it dealt more damage to Madara than Kirin dealt to Itachi.

Unless you'd argue that Itachi's V2 > Madara's V3, Hirudora is stronger than Kirin and will have no issue whatsoever destroying Itachi's V2.

Except you have no proof that Madara's Susanoo was destroyed via Hirudora, not to mention its perfectly clear Hirudora is weaker than Kirin (I'd like to see Hirudora obliterate a Mountain Sized building) so you can't say that it can destroy Itachi's Susanoo, as your main evidence is the assumption that Madara's Susanoo was destroyed by Hirudora.

@underlined: When we see Madara again, he is sitting down, chilling out, if he cared as much as you are implying he wouldn't be doing this, nor would he be ignoring the Juubi for Hashirama as we have seen lately.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

@underlined: When we see Madara again, he is sitting down, chilling out, if he cared as much as you are implying he wouldn't be doing this

Because by the time he recovered the Juubi was already formed.

Except you have no proof that Madara's Susanoo was destroyed via Hirudora

It's a logical assumption based on the fact that Madara was out cold for a full chapter.

 

[KidGamer65]

Because by the time he recovered the Juubi was already formed.



It's a logical assumption based on the fact that Madara was out cold for a full chapter.

Didn't know it was a fact Madara was out cold for a full chapter, not to mention the events of this chapter couldn't have been more than 10 minutes anyway, as battles are quick paced.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Didn't know it was a fact Madara was out cold for a full chapter, not to mention the events of this chapter couldn't have been more than 10 minutes anyway, as battles are quick paced.

Even 5 minutes is more than enough for Gai to finish ITachi.

 

[illidanson]

I firmly believe Gai can defeat Itachi high difficulty.

He can counter genjutsu by not looking into his eyes.

He can avoid amaterasu with his speed in gates.

Afternoon tiger would destroy Itachi's Susano'o.

This is merely speculation, but i agree with the rest.

To the topic i believe the fight could go both ways. However in my opinion Itachi would most likely take it high diff.

But to be honest Guy is a pretty bad match up for Itachi. Most other people at around Gais level would easily get caught in Itachis genjutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Even 5 minutes is more than enough for Gai to finish ITachi.

Lmfao, you wish.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Lmfao, you wish.

If he passed out there isn't much he can do, unless you'd argue Itachi can use Amaterasu in his sleep.

 

[KidGamer65]

If he passed out there isn't much he can do, unless you'd argue Itachi can use Amaterasu in his sleep.

And how would he end up passing out? From Hirudora? Not when he took on Kirin. His Susanoo will be damaged but destroyed? Not happening.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

I'd dare argue Gai in the 7th gate can avoid it.

he is not faster than A(Raikage) so he cant.