[VS] Gai Sensei and 3rd Raikage Vs 4rth Raikage and Killer Bee

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Whirlwind blows them away then he fires bijuu dama barrage or fires bijuu damage on himself catching them up in the explosion. You keep talking about hirodora like gai can use it more than once or twice. Without getting all weak. Hirudora can destroy a v3 but the user is undamaged bee took his own tbb to the chest after a long grueling fight with bijuus, obito, n juubi.
He used Hirudora when he was on death's door w/ almost no stamina. Using it at least 3 times isn't a big deal. As for B's whirlwind, when he's about to use the whirlwind he needs to coil up into a ball before he spins. He doesn't start in Bijuu Mode so that gives 3rd and Gai more than enough time to close the distance here before B can even start to use the whirlwind. Once he coils up, Raikage uses that opportunity and slices most of his tails off with 1 Fingered Nukite. No tails=No whirlwind.

Or Gai, since he's faster than V2 Ay, can release a full sized Hirudora and push Killer B away while doing some light damage. B took his own Bijuu Dama to the chest and was disabled. Hirudora isn't going to do anywhere near that level of damage but he's not going to shrug off two direct Hirudora plus multiple strikes from Nukite (which has more penetrative power than the FRS that did some good damage to Kurama) straight to the body.
 

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Whirlwind blows them away then he fires bijuu dama barrage or fires bijuu damage on himself catching them up in the explosion. You keep talking about hirodora like gai can use it more than once or twice. Without getting all weak. Hirudora can destroy a v3 but the user is undamaged bee took his own tbb to the chest after a long grueling fight with bijuus, obito, n juubi.
I agree. Bee eats them weak ass Hinduras for breakfast and TBB ends them all but Bee who can survive it. Aye easily reacts to Gai no question and with Bee's help they win in the end thanks to TBB barrage. Being fast with a move that cannot land on one and make the other laugh doesn't mean they win.
 

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He used Hirudora when he was on death's door w/ almost no stamina. Using it at least 3 times isn't a big deal. As for B's whirlwind, when he's about to use the whirlwind he needs to coil up into a ball before he spins. He doesn't start in Bijuu Mode so that gives 3rd and Gai more than enough time to close the distance here before B can even start to use the whirlwind. Once he coils up, Raikage uses that opportunity and slices most of his tails off with 1 Fingered Nukite. No tails=No whirlwind.

Or Gai, since he's faster than V2 Ay, can release a full sized Hirudora and push Killer B away while doing some light damage. B took his own Bijuu Dama to the chest and was disabled. Hirudora isn't going to do anywhere near that level of damage but he's not going to shrug off two direct Hirudora plus multiple strikes from Nukite (which has more penetrative power than the FRS that did some good damage to Kurama) straight to the body.
Assuming Aye 4 is out of the fight to keep his dad busy. "V2" is the fastest no question in reaction's of the 4 we can safely agree, so Gai would have a hard time tagging him when he has teh stamina to keep up his speed shunshin's longer then Gai can hold 7thG.

FYI: You do know the databook and manga shows Bee's tentacle clones can create mini Bijuu's with atleast shukaku's level of chakra or close right? With each clone being capable of diong everything the OG can. Bee is clearly above them all atleast 2 teirs.
 

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Ay can't dodge Hirudora if Gai approaches and does it from short range like he did to Madara. Ay's sunshin being faster is irrelevant since the only thing Gai needs to do is getting in cqc with him. Ay has no reason to just run away from Gai with v2 constantly to avoid this from happening, so yeah he dies as soon as this begins.
 

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Assuming Aye 4 is out of the fight to keep his dad busy. "V2" is the fastest no question in reaction's of the 4 we can safely agree, so Gai would have a hard time tagging him when he has teh stamina to keep up his speed shunshin's longer then Gai can hold 7thG.

FYI: You do know the databook and manga shows Bee's tentacle clones can create mini Bijuu's with atleast shukaku's level of chakra or close right? With each clone being capable of diong everything the OG can. Bee is clearly above them all atleast 2 teirs.
Only Gai or Ay III is needed to stop B's whirlwind, and Gai can easily overpower and defeat Ay IV. So if Ay III wants to stop B, then Gai can hold off his son. If Gai goes to stop B, then Ay III can hold of Ay IV. Ay's reflexes are better than Gai's, but in terms of raw movement speed Gai is either a little bit faster or a little bit slower and his striking speed is far superior. So there's no way Gai is going to have a hard time tagging him.

Based on what? Sure, the clones take the form of the Hachibi but much much smaller, but them being able to replicate the originals move is based on what again? And what is them each having the same chakra level of Shukaku based on?
 

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He used Hirudora when he was on death's door w/ almost no stamina. Using it at least 3 times isn't a big deal. As for B's whirlwind, when he's about to use the whirlwind he needs to coil up into a ball before he spins. He doesn't start in Bijuu Mode so that gives 3rd and Gai more than enough time to close the distance here before B can even start to use the whirlwind. Once he coils up, Raikage uses that opportunity and slices most of his tails off with 1 Fingered Nukite. No tails=No whirlwind.
On his death door? he was getting replimished by kurama's chakra the whole war and it does not matter because the gates pushes your limits so his conditions is irrelevant, 7th gate gai was only shown to use hirudora once without getting all ill nb4 that Kisame fight he used a much weaker hirudora considering Kisame was not even showing any signs of critical damage or his hirudora was amped by the kurama chakra. Turning to Gyuki is nigh instant and he already starts in v2 he turns to gyuki easily 4th raikage shunshin attack distracts one of them giving killerbee his time or the moment he turns to Gyuki he shoots BD Barrage to kill them all. either way he teams wins with Ei as a casualty. How does slicing his tails stop the whirlwind? he won't chop all the tails before bee spins, and if gai goes to attack him instead of killing Ei what can he do? Hirudora is blunt attack it will do nothing to bee. Or he could tail feint the reform surprising them.

Or Gai, since he's faster than V2 Ay, can release a full sized Hirudora and push Killer B away while doing some light damage. B took his own Bijuu Dama to the chest and was disabled. Hirudora isn't going to do anywhere near that level of damage but he's not going to shrug off two direct Hirudora plus multiple strikes from Nukite (which has more penetrative power than the FRS that did some good damage to Kurama) straight to the body.
BM Kurama's durability > the one in Naruto's head and it was not the slicing power that damaged kurama it was the explosion. Even suggesting that is ludacris that Kurama took more damage than 3rd did and we know bm Kurama takes a dump on Ei's durability. Bijuu dama >>>>>>> FRS Gyuki took BD to the chest after being damaged and drained Kurama's durability > Gyuki's
 

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On his death door? he was getting replimished by kurama's chakra the whole war and it does not matter because the gates pushes your limits so his conditions is irrelevant, 7th gate gai was only shown to use hirudora once without getting all ill nb4 that Kisame fight he used a much weaker hirudora considering Kisame was not even showing any signs of critical damage or his hirudora was amped by the kurama chakra. Turning to Gyuki is nigh instant and he already starts in v2 he turns to gyuki easily 4th raikage shunshin attack distracts one of them giving killerbee his time or the moment he turns to Gyuki he shoots BD Barrage to kill them all. either way he teams wins with Ei as a casualty. How does slicing his tails stop the whirlwind? he won't chop all the tails before bee spins, and if gai goes to attack him instead of killing Ei what can he do? Hirudora is blunt attack it will do nothing to bee. Or he could tail feint the reform surprising them.



BM Kurama's durability > the one in Naruto's head and it was not the slicing power that damaged kurama it was the explosion. Even suggesting that is ludacris that Kurama took more damage than 3rd did and we know bm Kurama takes a dump on Ei's durability. Bijuu dama >>>>>>> FRS Gyuki took BM to the chest after being damaged and drained Kurama's durability > Gyuki's





Gai got wrecked by Madara and couldn't even move right before he used Hirudora. His condition being irrelevant makes literally no sense. If his condition before opening the gates didn't matter then he wouldn't have passed out right after using Hirudora against Madara. So we can end this part of your argument. Turning into Gyuki being nigh instant is irrelevant. It takes time and that's time Gai and Ay III can use to cross that distance as slower characters have crossed larger distances in the blink of an eye. Raikage's Shunshin distracting one doesn't help him when either one has the necessary move set to stop B. Not like he can distract Gai anyway. Gai is faster than him and Gai can simply fire Hirudora and not have to worry about Ay stopping him since Ay doesn't posses the necessary firepower to overpower it.

His tails produce the force that blows his enemies away. No tails or severely damaged tails=No whirlwind. He doesn't need to cut all of them off to prevent the whirlwind when B can't make a whirlwind when the majority of his tails have been severed. And lmao. Hirudora pushes B away stopping the whirlwind and giving Ay III time to engage him in CQC and cut off his tails. Hirudora being a blunt attack so it does nothing to B is a nonsense argument that makes no sense. B isn't durable enough to tank something that obliterated a V3 Susanoo with zero damage when he's been hurt by much weaker things.

Bold is irrelevant because BM Kurama isn't apart of this discussion. The explosive power damaging Kurama also helps my argument and at the very least it's irrelevant So does Kurama being > Gyuki in durability. Not even sure what your argument here is.

-Nukite>>>>>FRS when it comes to getting through defenses. FACT as FRS was tanked by Raikage despite elemental advantage but Nukite ran him through.

-FRS injured Kurama, so Nukite would do worse.

-Kurama>>Gyuki, so he gets done worse than Kurama did.

Bijuu Dama is irrelevant because he can't take a Bijuu Dama w/o being seriously injured. You mention it like he tanked it. :lol
 

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Gai got wrecked by Madara and couldn't even move right before he used Hirudora. His condition being irrelevant makes literally no sense. If his condition before opening the gates didn't matter then he wouldn't have passed out right after using Hirudora against Madara. So we can end this part of your argument. Turning into Gyuki being nigh instant is irrelevant. It takes time and that's time Gai and Ay III can use to cross that distance as slower characters have crossed larger distances in the blink of an eye. Raikage's Shunshin distracting one doesn't help him when either one has the necessary move set to stop B. Not like he can distract Gai anyway. Gai is faster than him and Gai can simply fire Hirudora and not have to worry about Ay stopping him since Ay doesn't posses the necessary firepower to overpower it.
Why people act like they don't know how the gates work Gai after recieving kurama's chakra and plenty of rest felt dizzy at this point in the yet was able to use Hirudora and 7th gate like it was nothing because it the gates pushes you past your limits and replenish you bee's statement only backs mine up still does not change the fact we never saw gai use Hirudora in succession or more than once in gates as he tires out. Yes because they're attitudes are to to gun and run as fast as the can gtfoh. Yes we've seen slower characters cover that distance we've also seen much faster characters not cover that distance so that argument is poo. Bee is turning into bijuu mode regardless. No they cannot stop him from using Bijuu dama, Raikage uses his fastest punch against 3rd throws him away or back, If he attacks gai he foces gai to dodge and Hiudora is not Gai's go to instant move unless he need it he would try to engage him in cqc and even then gai would be stampered after using one hirudora before he could use another one if he could use another one. You did not counter my instant bijuu dama argument either,

His tails produce the force that blows his enemies away. No tails or severely damaged tails=No whirlwind. He doesn't need to cut all of them off to prevent the whirlwind when B can't make a whirlwind when the majority of his tails have been severed. And lmao. Hirudora pushes B away stopping the whirlwind and giving Ay III time to engage him in CQC and cut off his tails. Hirudora being a blunt attack so it does nothing to B is a nonsense argument that makes no sense. B isn't durable enough to tank something that obliterated a V3 Susanoo with zero damage when he's been hurt by much weaker things.
In those tails wrap him in a near 360 he's not chopping them all up he gets about 1 tails and not even the whole thing as he would need to jump just to cause damage to one whole tail because he's so small his ink clones or ink would spray him away or back. Hirudora pushing bee away? based off what? because it pushed back a tiny v3 susanoo? No lol and pushing him back does nothing as long as he still curled he gets off whirl wind. If Killerbee was curled up when that Bijuu dama hit he would have took far less damage Hirudora hitting bee while he's curled up does nothing to him.

Bold is irrelevant because BM Kurama isn't apart of this discussion. The explosive power damaging Kurama also helps my argument and at the very least it's irrelevant So does Kurama being > Gyuki in durability. Not even sure what your argument here is.
Me bringing BM kurama in this was to show that hurting Kurama in Naruto's mind feat was shitty considering KB hand alone blocked Kurama's tbb yet when outside of Naruto's mind that's completely impossible for bee basically showing how weak that Kurama was in Naruto's mind.

Nukite>>>>>FRS when it comes to getting through defenses. FACT as FRS was tanked by Raikage despite elemental advantage but Nukite ran him through.
-FRS injured Kurama, so Nukite would do worse.
Kurama in Naruto's mind is much weaker than any Bijuu so your point is moot by that very fact.

Kurama>>Gyuki, so he gets done worse than Kurama did.
Addressed.

Bijuu Dama is irrelevant because he can't take a Bijuu Dama w/o being seriously injured. You mention it like he tanked it. :lol
Bee was not seriously injured look at all he's endored before the the bijuu dama, Stabbed by that horse bijuu slammed by 5 tails burnt up, Stabbed again by Obito's spikes drained by wood dragon, and battered by Juubi,
Also that Bijuu dama was not the reason bee reverted back to normal

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Gyuki said it hurts you azshole that is not being seriously injured by no standards he reached his limit like Kurama Gyuki was active since before the jinz turned into bijuu he was fatigued and damaged but not seriously injured to point where he could not take it anymore that's what amaterasu did to him.

You did not counter the tentacle feint then bijuu dama argument, you did not counter the instant bijuu dama at the start argument etc.
 
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Why people act like they don't know how the gates work Gai after recieving kurama's chakra and plenty of rest felt dizzy at this point in the yet was able to use Hirudora and 7th gate like it was nothing because it the gates pushes you past your limits and replenish you bee's statement only backs mine up still does not change the fact we never saw gai use Hirudora in succession or more than once in gates as he tires out. Yes because they're attitudes are to to gun and run as fast as the can gtfoh. Yes we've seen slower characters cover that distance we've also seen much faster characters not cover that distance so that argument is poo. Bee is turning into bijuu mode regardless. No they cannot stop him from using Bijuu dama, Raikage uses his fastest punch against 3rd throws him away or back, If he attacks gai he foces gai to dodge and Hiudora is not Gai's go to instant move unless he need it he would try to engage him in cqc and even then gai would be stampered after using one hirudora before he could use another one if he could use another one. You did not counter my instant bijuu dama argument either,
I know how exactly the Gates work so typing up most of this was irrelevant. The Gates adding more energy onto the user's existing energy doesn't change the fact that the condition of the user before the usage of the gates is important. You sound extra dumb claiming that it doesn't when a fresh Gai used Hirudora and maintained the 7G with no problem. A weakened Gai used Hirudora and passed out despite being in Gates. :lol So drop this point because you make literally no sense. If the energy from the gates is all that mattered gai wouldn't have passed out after using Hirudora.

-Gai feeling dizzy=/=Gai being unable to stand at all and Gai passing out. Terrible ass comparison. A comparison that also literally proves nothing. So when you have a real argument to provide for this point you can reply again.


No they can't stop him based on what? Oh wait, nothing. B covered over 50m in the blink of an eye. Both people here are easily faster than Base B. So how is B going to turn BM, and spin around before they cross said distance? Oh wait, he won't. Raikage using his fastest punch against the 3rd doesn't stop Gai so why even bother with that point? :lol Oh wait, your only line of defense for Gai is "Gai won't use Hirudora because I said so". Lmao weak argument. If the opponent is strong enough he will jump straight to Hirudora as it's a better alternative than dying.

Your instant BD argument isn't even an argument because B can't use BD instantly. He has to enter Bijuu Mode, charge his BD and then release it. More than enough time for Gai to redirect it by hitting B's jaw. That was addressed in the first post. And that's assuming B tries to use BD from the very start, which is not as likely as Gai using Hirudora to stop B yet you try and pull this nonsense argument.


In those tails wrap him in a near 360 he's not chopping them all up he gets about 1 tails and not even the whole thing as he would need to jump just to cause damage to one whole tail because he's so small his ink clones or ink would spray him away or back. Hirudora pushing bee away? based off what? because it pushed back a tiny v3 susanoo? No lol and pushing him back does nothing as long as he still curled he gets off whirl wind. If Killerbee was curled up when that Bijuu dama hit he would have took far less damage Hirudora hitting bee while he's curled up does nothing to him.
Lol. I guess this is the portion of the argument where you start to make these dumb arguments.

1. The tails wrapping around him make them an easy target. All he needs to do is cut down horizontally and every tail on that side of B is severed, thus no whirlwind. Mentioning ink clones is a terrible thing to bother with because then B has to take time to make them, and that makes it easier for Gai and Ay III to stop him. :lol Especially since his ink clones are weak as hell.

2. A full sized Hirudora is the same size as a Bijuu. What pushed back Madara's Susanoo isn't the size of a Bijuu. Getting hit by Hirudora disorients him and gives Ay III and Gai time to stop. Damage isn't the main point here. :lol By the time Hirudora ends they'll already be in his face.


Me bringing BM kurama in this was to show that hurting Kurama in Naruto's mind feat was shitty considering KB hand alone blocked Kurama's tbb yet when outside of Naruto's mind that's completely impossible for bee basically showing how weak that Kurama was in Naruto's mind.
No, all you've been able to try to prove is that the Kurama Avatar is more durable.


Kurama in Naruto's mind is much weaker than any Bijuu so your point is moot by that very fact.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Say what now buddy? Yup, he's definitely weaker than the other Bijuu despite forming a Bijuu Dama just as large as the ones 5 Bijuu needed to team up to make.

And that's Kurama after his yang chakra was taken from him.


Bee was not seriously injured look at all he's endored before the the bijuu dama, Stabbed by that horse bijuu slammed by 5 tails burnt up, Stabbed again by Obito's spikes drained by wood dragon, and battered by Juubi,
Also that Bijuu dama was not the reason bee reverted back to normal


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Gyuki said it hurts you azshole that is not being seriously injured by no standards he reached his limit like Kurama Gyuki was active since before the jinz turned into bijuu he was fatigued and damaged but not seriously injured to point where he could not take it anymore that's what amaterasu did to him.
Lmao reached his limit=Damage. B doesn't have a time limit on his transformation, or is just a coincidence that B's mode ended the moment he got hit? Lmao. Mentioning Bijuu Dama is irrelevant anyway as they don't need Bijuu Dama level power to put him down when they don't need to put him down in one strike. FRS can hurt Kurama w/ a direct hit, so Hirudora and Nukite will hurt the inferior Gyuki.

And lmao dude was bleeding out of almost every orifice on his body. And you are saying that's not seriously injured? Are you joking? Wasn't Madara about to run B through w/ his Susanoo? Tell me more about how Nukite isn't going to do anything to him.

You did not counter the tentacle feint then bijuu dama argument, you did not counter the instant bijuu dama at the start argument etc.
You didn't make a tentacle feint argument to counter, and I already addressed Bijuu Dama from the jump in my first post and in my most recent post.
 
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Only Gai or Ay III is needed to stop B's whirlwind, and Gai can easily overpower and defeat Ay IV. So if Ay III wants to stop B, then Gai can hold off his son. If Gai goes to stop B, then Ay III can hold of Ay IV. Ay's reflexes are better than Gai's, but in terms of raw movement speed Gai is either a little bit faster or a little bit slower and his striking speed is far superior. So there's no way Gai is going to have a hard time tagging him.

Based on what? Sure, the clones take the form of the Hachibi but much much smaller, but them being able to replicate the originals move is based on what again? And what is them each having the same chakra level of Shukaku based on?
I dont feel like going into complete detail with the info so i'll keep it simple and hope you get it.

Taku Ashi Bushin no Jutsu

Hachibi's tentacle, one limb of the main body, changes it's appearance to look like the main body, basically a bushin. A part of ones body is used to produce a bushin that is used as a scapegoat, even Sharingan can not see through the Bushin.



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This myfriend is a clone of Bee that is in full Bijuu form and also can revert back to human form. The clone was so sturdy/durable even The flames that you overrate could not kill him or do serious damage (keep in mind even the stirdiest clone (wood) reverts back after serious damage is done, yet Bee's clone even after Ama stood strong for days!!!)

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Bee's clone had enough chakra to still not go poof when being extracted by the Mazo.

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And as seen with the above scan, in the kyubi yet way able to go into V2 with probably a toenails worth of teh kyubi chakra (thats me being generous), and the Tentacle of Bee is atleast 50 times the portion they ate and also has enough .

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Bee is the tail, and again, the 8 tails is still in full effect and can function normally (fact no disputing!). The reason the Mazo took too long to transform was because of the Kyubi portion taking forever due to it not being allot form the kingin Brothers. Why is this fact? Because after he got 100% of the kyubi chakra, he still only had a tail's worth of chakra from bee (and even less probably since bee has been using a shit load) and instantly go into Jin mode.

Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai - Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal
No rank, no range, supplementary
Users: Obito Uchiha, Madara Uchiha

Using one's own body as a yorishiro
Not sublimating into a perfect being

⬇ The moment before he was discarded by Madara, Obito feigned the "Samsara of Heavenly Life" and formed the seals for the "Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal".

This technique let's the user possess the power of a jinchuriki by taking in the ten bodies of all tailed beasts. However, with one body already being hard to control, it's almost impossible to bring them all under one's control. This inevitably results in the collapse of the user's ego. However, very rarely, only one person that possessed innate suitability and acquired mental strength, is allowed to wield a world-shaking power, feared even as the "Nation-Building God"!

➡ Condensed and drawn into the body of the technique's user, the gathered tailed beasts make the true power bloom.

⬆ Obtaining the power of the ten bodies of the tailed beasts is the same as owning the power of the Sage of Six Paths. It's also accompanied by black orbs that are similar to the "Tailed Beast Ball".




Now that I have facts of the chakra to maintain Bijuumode or be used as a decoy to save his life, V1/V2 and BM are all possibilities. Could he use TBB? I dont know, but he can def use moves like Lariot, Whirlwind spin, ink clones, lightning release and possibly a Tailed beast Blast (used on Taka) like all clones are capable of doing. And he has a link similar to the Rinnegan when it comes to the clones seeing as .
 
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I dont feel like going into complete detail with the info so i'll keep it simple and hope you get it.

Taku Ashi Bushin no Jutsu

Hachibi's tentacle, one limb of the main body, changes it's appearance to look like the main body, basically a bushin. A part of ones body is used to produce a bushin that is used as a scapegoat, even Sharingan can not see through the Bushin.



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This myfriend is a clone of Bee that is in full Bijuu form and also can revert back to human form. The clone was so sturdy/durable even The flames that you overrate could not kill him or do serious damage (keep in mind even the stirdiest clone (wood) reverts back after serious damage is done, yet Bee's clone even after Ama stood strong for days!!!)

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Bee's clone had enough chakra to still not go poof when being extracted by the Mazo.

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And as seen with the above scan, in the kyubi yet way able to go into V2 with probably a toenails worth of teh kyubi chakra (thats me being generous), and the Tentacle of Bee is atleast 50 times the portion they ate and also has enough .

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Bee is the tail, and again, the 8 tails is still in full effect and can function normally (fact no disputing!). The reason the Mazo took too long to transform was because of the Kyubi portion taking forever due to it not being allot form the kingin Brothers. Why is this fact? Because after he got 100% of the kyubi chakra, he still only had a tail's worth of chakra from bee (and even less probably since bee has been using a shit load) and instantly go into Jin mode.

Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai - Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal
No rank, no range, supplementary
Users: Obito Uchiha, Madara Uchiha

Using one's own body as a yorishiro
Not sublimating into a perfect being

⬇ The moment before he was discarded by Madara, Obito feigned the "Samsara of Heavenly Life" and formed the seals for the "Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal".

This technique let's the user possess the power of a jinchuriki by taking in the ten bodies of all tailed beasts. However, with one body already being hard to control, it's almost impossible to bring them all under one's control. This inevitably results in the collapse of the user's ego. However, very rarely, only one person that possessed innate suitability and acquired mental strength, is allowed to wield a world-shaking power, feared even as the "Nation-Building God"!

➡ Condensed and drawn into the body of the technique's user, the gathered tailed beasts make the true power bloom.

⬆ Obtaining the power of the ten bodies of the tailed beasts is the same as owning the power of the Sage of Six Paths. It's also accompanied by black orbs that are similar to the "Tailed Beast Ball".




Now that I have facts of the chakra to maintain Bijuumode or be used as a decoy to save his life, V1/V2 and BM are all possibilities. Could he use TBB? I dont know, but he can def use moves like Lariot, Whirlwind spin, ink clones, lightning release and possibly a Tailed beast Blast (used on Taka) like all clones are capable of doing. And he has a link similar to the Rinnegan when it comes to the clones seeing as .
Ok, now I know what you are talking about w/ the clones. But them having as much chakra as Shukaku is still based on nothing. Kinkaku and Ginkaku having enough chakra to access V2 (which is far far weaker than anything Naruto has ever done in those forms because of the fact that they only have a portion of Kurama's chakra) and B's tentacle clone having enough chakra to add to the other 8 to revive the Juubi also means nothing because Obito already stated he only needs a piece. So the only thing I'll give you here is that they have a good amount of chakra. Definitely not on par with any singular Bijuu.

And how exactly are you coming to the conclusion that the Mazo took so long only because of Kurama? He only had a piece of B's chakra and a piece of Kurama's chakra. Neither are anywhere close to the amount of chakra of a full Bijuu. Madara had all of the Hachibi and half of Kurama (superior to one regular bijuu) the second time so that doesn't necessarily prove that Kurama was the main issue. Manga has made it clear that it was both Hachibi and Kurama. And that scan of Naruto ripping the Bijuu out is also irrelevant. That clash had nothing to do with the size of chakra it had to do with the compatibility. Naruto couldn't pull out Shukaku or Hachibi's chakra because he didn't have their chakra inside him, so his chakra got rejected. And his clones having a link isn't supported enough. For all you know it could be like shadow clones where he gets all the info of his tentacle clone after it poofs.


As for the actual stats of the clone itself, Amaterasu obviously did serious damage. :lol He got hit, and got knocked out of Bijuu Mode and was rendered unconscious. That's serious damage, just not enough to kill. That scan of Hachibi cutting off his tail to save B is irrelevant towards the clone point, because the Hachibi that was shown to still function normally wasn't a clone as the real Hachibi was dragged in by the Mazo. It only has a small portion of Hachibi's power, so definitely no Bijuu Dama (Tailed Beast Blast is just another form of Bijuu Dama) but sure, let's say he can use the rest. Doesn't help him much since the way these clones are produced is by B cutting off his tentacle (Which then has the original in it) while the thing left behind is the clone. Leaving a clone w/ a portion of Hachibi's chakra behind to take Gai or the Raikage's assault only results in it being easily defeated then the tentacle being attacked, and there's no point in the clone trying to revert to V1 or V2 because not even V1 or V2 at full power would be enough to pressure Ay III or 7G Gai, who B will have to take on alone because Gai can and will make quick work of Ay IV.
 

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I know how exactly the Gates work so typing up most of this was irrelevant. The Gates adding more energy onto the user's existing energy doesn't change the fact that the condition of the user before the usage of the gates is important. You sound extra dumb claiming that it doesn't when a fresh Gai used Hirudora and maintained the 7G with no problem. A weakened Gai used Hirudora and passed out despite being in Gates. :lol So drop this point because you make literally no sense. If the energy from the gates is all that mattered gai wouldn't have passed out after using Hirudora.
Shutup you dumbass a fresh gai? Gai used a weaker hirudora hence the reason kisame barely took any damage and v3 >>>>>>>>>> Kisame's durability that''s the only reason he was able to stand up if he had used the Hirudora he did against Madara Kisame would have been a bloodsplatt of a very least missing some limbs and shit. Case 2 is that the Hirudora he used on Madara was amped from him previously having Naruto's cloak on him, nb4 its a taijutsu or whatever Kurama chakra enhances every Ninja state safe for genjutsu so no.

Gai feeling dizzy=/=Gai being unable to stand at all and Gai passing out. Terrible ass comparison. A comparison that also literally proves nothing. So when you have a real argument to provide for this point you can reply again.
Gai feeling dizzy was barely able to stand rock lee had to hold him up yet none of that made his efforts in the his gated mode effected. Tired or fresh 7 gates gai = 7 gates gai so the him being tired bullshit is not going to cut it or work here at all.


No they can't stop him based on what? Oh wait, nothing. B covered over 50m in the blink of an eye. Both people here are easily faster than Base B. So how is B going to turn BM, and spin around before they cross said distance? Oh wait, he won't. Raikage using his fastest punch against the 3rd doesn't stop Gai so why even bother with that point? :lol Oh wait, your only line of defense for Gai is "Gai won't use Hirudora because I said so". Lmao weak argument. If the opponent is strong enough he will jump straight to Hirudora as it's a better alternative than dying.
And Sasuke could not cover a smaller distance to escape Kaguya's dimension when Obito made a warp hole, that a slower character did this is so and so time so this character can is not working here. that means shit Killerbee whirlwind took hale a manga page it is happening especially regarless 3rd is not taking no more than half a tail so him getting through is irrelevant. Gai has even less of a chance because if he does not go for Ei the 3rd never gets into the picture because Ei is constantly blitzing him with no problem. Hirudora does jack shit to bee when he's curled so gai pushed bee back lol is not doing anything and my reply for Hirudora being a blunt based attack was for bee not getting his tails chopped so he can spin both are shit out of luck here especially gai.

Your instant BD argument isn't even an argument because B can't use BD instantly. He has to enter Bijuu Mode, charge his BD and then release it. More than enough time for Gai to redirect it by hitting B's jaw. That was addressed in the first post. And that's assuming B tries to use BD from the very start, which is not as likely as Gai using Hirudora to stop B yet you try and pull this nonsense argument.
Killerbee shot 5 bijuu damas out in 1 single chapter that he needs to charge it up nonsense is not even a factor also add the fact all be needs to do is tuck his head and fire it at himself the aoe is so large gai gets caught up in it same with the 3rd. Your assuming the bull rush them from the very start which is not likely either but hey your reaching here. OKay you think gai is going to get to his face all be has to do is curl like where his neck his hidden so he could easily fire it. Gai has to get to his head level first which is not happening before a single bijuu dama gets out.

1. The tails wrapping around him make them an easy target. All he needs to do is cut down horizontally and every tail on that side of B is severed, thus no whirlwind. Mentioning ink clones is a terrible thing to bother with because then B has to take time to make them, and that makes it easier for Gai and Ay III to stop him. :lol Especially since his ink clones are weak as hell.
Because he's going to cut jump up and cut all those tails before bee can even begin spinning? sound dumb af and he's so small he only cutting about 1/4 of the actual tail size anyway whirlwind does not have to be what is was in the manga just being enough to fling human sized objects away in which it can. Gyuki can squirt quick like its nothing stop with the nonsense with all those spores on his tentacles 3rd raikage gets flushed back at the very least.

2. A full sized Hirudora is the same size as a Bijuu. What pushed back Madara's Susanoo isn't the size of a Bijuu. Getting hit by Hirudora disorients him and gives Ay III and Gai time to stop. Damage isn't the main point here. :lol By the time Hirudora ends they'll already be in his face.
No where near the same size as a bijuu you smoking? v4 susanoo compared to bijuu sized objects

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Clearly not bijuu sized and Aoda is smaller than normal bijuu sized summonings. Because Gai is going to be moving at top speed and being able to deal damage to a bijuu right after he uses hirudora stop. @Bold
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stop lol Hirudora has not disoreintated anyone in this manga which is it kidgamer Hirudora to stop the whirlwind which does not stop it at all or the jaw punch lol. Also your talking like this is a 2vs1 if Gai attacks bee instead of Ei the 3rd is not getting into the battlefield period he's not taking down Ei and if its vice versa gai is not getting they're in time to try in stop BD or Whirlwind.

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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Say what now buddy? Yup, he's definitely weaker than the other Bijuu despite forming a Bijuu Dama just as large as the ones 5 Bijuu needed to team up to make.
And that's Kurama after his yang chakra was taken from him.
Making a big Bijuu dama proves what? exactly lol we've seen 5 bijuu make a giant tbb together yet it was matched by BM Kurama 1 tbb of equal size not to mention BM Kurama fully charged Bijuu dama would be that size or bigger so your don't have a point and nice try trying to side step the arguments.

- Still does not changed the fact Kurama had trouble stopping a Giant rasengan with it tails
- Still does not changed the fact Gyuki's hand stops its bijuu dama without being obliverated.
- Still does not changed the fact that this Kurama took significant damage from FRS which would not even sratch BM Kurama.

So your post is weak sauce.

Lmao reached his limit=Damage. B doesn't have a time limit on his transformation, or is just a coincidence that B's mode ended the moment he got hit? Lmao. Mentioning Bijuu Dama is irrelevant anyway as they don't need Bijuu Dama level power to put him down when they don't need to put him down in one strike. FRS can hurt Kurama w/ a direct hit, so Hirudora and Nukite will hurt the inferior Gyuki.
Bee does not have a time limit on his transformation based off what again? No him getting hit with the bijuu dama only speeded up the process that's all. Gyuki's durability shits on that Kurama's in Naruto's Mind so your point is moot and if gyuki only thinks a bijuu dama hurts to the point where he needs to curse its not nearly as threating as your trying to make it out to be. We've seen him in real pain screaming bloody merry from Amaterasu he'll gyuki could not be used again for some time after that. Gai only has about 1 or 2 Hirudora's in him he'll need to use 1 on Ei or he stalls the Raikage all fight if he can use another which he mostly likely cannot that would be if for him and he's not doing jack shit to bee with it Hirudora is no problem for him. We've seen Killbee get hit with his own bijuu dama again after jumping into juubi's mouth

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This time is whole face was hit and he stayed in BM untill Madara made Gedo mazo swallow them up.

And lmao dude was bleeding out of almost every orifice on his body. And you are saying that's not seriously injured? Are you joking? Wasn't Madara about to run B through w/ his Susanoo? Tell me more about how Nukite isn't going to do anything to him.
Madara obviously knew that would not kill Gyuki because he still wanted them for juubi so it would make no sense for him to kill as if a v3 susanoo sword could kill gyuki anyways Nukite cannonly failed to kill Gyuki so it's not doing shit here especially once he uses bd barrage. No one said nukite does nothing.

You didn't make a tentacle feint argument to counter, and I already addressed Bijuu Dama from the jump in my first post and in my most recent post.
Yes i did i said he 3rd chops it off what stops bee from fromed from his tentacle unexpectedly blasting them away.
 

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Unorthodox, the hirudora Gai used on Kisame might be stronger than the one he used on Madara
NO its not Kisame barely took damage to him while Susanoo was destroyed Susanoo is tiers above his durability. Also bee bleeding means nothing Gyuki was not in insane pain and i think that was ink to began with
 

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NO its not Kisame barely took damage to him while Susanoo was destroyed Susanoo is tiers above his durability. Also bee bleeding means nothing Gyuki was not in insane pain and i think that was ink to began with
Look at the size difference.
When Gai initially released Hirudora on Kisame it looked gigantic. When it reached Kisame it didn't look bigger than Kisame's torso, which implies Hirudora shrank. It is supported by the fact that they were under water and Hirudora had to clash with Kidame's GSB. Go look at the size he used in Madara and it you can see it being bigger than Madara's v2 Susanoo.
Size clearly indicates Hirudora's power.
 

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Look at the size difference.
When Gai initially released Hirudora on Kisame it looked gigantic. When it reached Kisame it didn't look bigger than Kisame's torso, which implies Hirudora shrank. It is supported by the fact that they were under water and Hirudora had to clash with Kidame's GSB. Go look at the size he used in Madara and it you can see it being bigger than Madara's v2 Susanoo.
Size clearly indicates Hirudora's power.
It only looked so big because it did not stretch yet but when in hit Madara it was already stretched out that is the only difference now leave me alone with the foolery
 

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Ok, now I know what you are talking about w/ the clones. But them having as much chakra as Shukaku is still based on nothing. Kinkaku and Ginkaku having enough chakra to access V2 (which is far far weaker than anything Naruto has ever done in those forms because of the fact that they only have a portion of Kurama's chakra) and B's tentacle clone having enough chakra to add to the other 8 to revive the Juubi also means nothing because Obito already stated he only needs a piece. So the only thing I'll give you here is that they have a good amount of chakra. Definitely not on par with any singular Bijuu.

And how exactly are you coming to the conclusion that the Mazo took so long only because of Kurama? He only had a piece of B's chakra and a piece of Kurama's chakra. Neither are anywhere close to the amount of chakra of a full Bijuu. Madara had all of the Hachibi and half of Kurama (superior to one regular bijuu) the second time so that doesn't necessarily prove that Kurama was the main issue. Manga has made it clear that it was both Hachibi and Kurama. And that scan of Naruto ripping the Bijuu out is also irrelevant. That clash had nothing to do with the size of chakra it had to do with the compatibility. Naruto couldn't pull out Shukaku or Hachibi's chakra because he didn't have their chakra inside him, so his chakra got rejected. And his clones having a link isn't supported enough. For all you know it could be like shadow clones where he gets all the info of his tentacle clone after it poofs.


As for the actual stats of the clone itself, Amaterasu obviously did serious damage. :lol He got hit, and got knocked out of Bijuu Mode and was rendered unconscious. That's serious damage, just not enough to kill. That scan of Hachibi cutting off his tail to save B is irrelevant towards the clone point, because the Hachibi that was shown to still function normally wasn't a clone as the real Hachibi was dragged in by the Mazo. It only has a small portion of Hachibi's power, so definitely no Bijuu Dama (Tailed Beast Blast is just another form of Bijuu Dama) but sure, let's say he can use the rest. Doesn't help him much since the way these clones are produced is by B cutting off his tentacle (Which then has the original in it) while the thing left behind is the clone. Leaving a clone w/ a portion of Hachibi's chakra behind to take Gai or the Raikage's assault only results in it being easily defeated then the tentacle being attacked, and there's no point in the clone trying to revert to V1 or V2 because not even V1 or V2 at full power would be enough to pressure Ay III or 7G Gai, who B will have to take on alone because Gai can and will make quick work of Ay IV.
SO you agreed he can create and duplicate his OG moves disregarding TBB. That means 3 Giant 8 tails and all are capable of using Whirlwind spin. Gai isnt Beating 3 Bee's that are capable of going Bijuu mode and or V2 when Gai cannot even stay in 7th gate for long let alone spam Hinrudora like you suggest.

1. They fight a Bijuu mode clone not knowing The real bee is hidden in the tail off to the side, Bee then joins the fight and . Simple and you have zero counters when even Rinnengan Madara and Jin Madara had any Idea Bee was in his Tail!

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Above Is Bee and him surviving the Mazo Yet again with the same tactic. Yet Sasuke was able to use to help him go Bijuususanoo. Keep in mind Bee and the 8 tails are still trapped in the Tsukuyomi at this point If youve forgotten.

8 Tails Clone has no reason to say he cannot use TBB when it doesnt take that much chakra to perform. He has shown in one tentacle to have enough chakra to help not only Two Rinningan users become Sages but also help sasuke achive Bijuu susanoo mode to fight Naruto. How much he has we don't know, but TBB is an easy task for all bijuu and Im sure a clone can perform atleast One!

So it is basically 2-3 Bijuumode Bee or V2 Bee with "V2" Aye 3 vs a Limited Gai and 3rd Aye. A clone V2 Bee and Aye 4 easily Stall out 3rd Aye, While a Clone V2 Bee and Bijuu Mode Bee deal with Gai since Gai's only move to take out a V2 Jin is Hindura but even then the clone can transform into BM and then he have to fight 2 Giant BM.

Bee is so far above them it isnt even funny! I have facts to prove Bee can make Bijuu Mode clones and Have the Number factor to shit on said opponents. This isnt even a fair fight since I know Bee like no other and the other 3 fighters better then anyone else minus a few Gai fans.
 
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And to further add to Unortho's Post:

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Bee has cannoly survived a TBB that was 7 times the one he was hit by when the Juubi flicked it back at him. So no, a TBB will not kill him especially since he cannonly just fine to the which should had killed him or put him out according to you. Please do not question Bee's Durabily, he shits!

Also keeping in mind that hit bee (and he lived)
 
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