Gai + kakashi (DMS no susanoo) vs Minato + KCM naruto.

[Tyrance sasuke]

Starting distance: 9m.
Location: iwagakure.
Chakra: finite chakra.
Knowledge: full for gai and kakashi

Who stomps?

 

[Oblivionx]

Kakashi still has double kamui plus six paths hax while 7th gate can hold off KCM naruto. So rivals probably edge it marginally.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Kakashi still has double kamui plus six paths hax while 7th gate can hold off KCM naruto. So rivals probably edge it marginally.

Kamui has been shown to be faster than guy eighth gate. Ftg has shown to be above eighth gate speed as well as minato teleported before him to trap TSB. So wouldnt naruto who is faster than A with V2, who has a reaction speed above light be able to dodge kamui? Wouldnt minato be able to dodge kamui with ftg markings all around and danger sensing of sagemode? And then outlast guy till he exhausts out ?

 

[KidGamer65]

In terms of individual fights:

-Minato would beat Gai mid difficulty. Gai only gets the advantage if Minato engages him in close quarters and relies on nothing but Taijutsu. Hiraishin still lets him easily evade all of Gai's attacks then we have clones who can be attacking at the same as the original using the same exact instant teleportation. Hirudora is also extremely useless here.

-Minato would beat Kakashi as well. Kamui isn't double speed unless used at the same time, and that's impossible from long range. With tags spread out Minato would easily dodge any attempt. He'd also easily outlast Kakashi if it came to that and his speed lets him avoid any critical hit.

-Naruto might defeat Gai. Gai is faster in close combat but in terms of shunshin speed Naruto and Minato are easily the fastest people here. That and Naruto has mass clones along with giant FRS to overpower Hirudora. This one could go either way.

-Naruto definitely loses to Kakashi. Raw movement speed isn't going to be enough for him to overpower someone with both of Obito's eyes nor will he win in CQC due to Kamui Raikiri.

However with Minato's support via Hiraishin and barriers Naruto should be able to overcome Gai and survive Kakashi. That and they have far more stamina than the rivals. So the father son duo wins mid-high diff at the worst.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

In terms of individual fights:

-Minato would beat Gai mid difficulty. Gai only gets the advantage if Minato engages him in close quarters and relies on nothing but Taijutsu. Hiraishin still lets him easily evade all of Gai's attacks then we have clones who can be attacking at the same as the original using the same exact instant teleportation. Hirudora is also extremely useless here.

-Minato would beat Kakashi as well. Kamui isn't double speed unless used at the same time, and that's impossible from long range. With tags spread out Minato would easily dodge any attempt. He'd also easily outlast Kakashi if it came to that and his speed lets him avoid any critical hit.

-Naruto might defeat Gai. Gai is faster in close combat but in terms of shunshin speed Naruto and Minato are easily the fastest people here. That and Naruto has mass clones along with giant FRS to overpower Hirudora. This one could go either way.

-Naruto definitely loses to Kakashi. Raw movement speed isn't going to be enough for him to overpower someone with both of Obito's eyes nor will he win in CQC due to Kamui Raikiri.

However with Minato's support via Hiraishin and barriers Naruto should be able to overcome Gai and survive Kakashi. That and they have far more stamina than the rivals. So the father son duo wins mid-high diff at the worst.

Just a question, would naruto be able to make rasenshurikens because it needs prep before guy throws hirudora at him? Or asakujaku?

 

[KidGamer65]

Just a question, would naruto be able to make rasenshurikens because it needs prep before guy throws hirudora at him? Or asakujaku?

No, but Hirudora has to cross said distance and hit Naruto first, and it's never shown any speed feats to let it blitz someone of Naruto's speed from any range. Same goes for Asa Kujaku.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

No, but Hirudora has to cross said distance and hit Naruto first, and it's never shown any speed feats to let it blitz someone of Naruto's speed from any range. Same goes for Asa Kujaku.

Well kisame is pretty fast as he overcame someone as fast as Bee who could tag with A near full speed. So wouldnt naruto who is slightly faster than A, get hit? Considering the fact it is also a widespread attack, so less room for dodging.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well kisame is pretty fast as he overcame someone as fast as Bee who could tag with A near full speed. So wouldnt naruto who is slightly faster than A, get hit? Considering the fact it is also a widespread attack, so less room for dodging.

We were talking about him using FRS in response, not dodging. If we're talking evasion he easily dodges it from anywhere besides point blank range, and even then that's debatable as he can dodge Ay, who is faster than Hirudora, at the last minute. Your comparison doesn't even hold. Kisame can only react to B up to V2, and there's where B becomes too fast for him to properly react to. B has also never tagged Ay near full speed nor does Kisame being able to react to B have anything to do with Naruto.

Hirudora only becomes widespread when it explodes. If Naruto dodges it's trajectory it'll soar past him.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

We were talking about him using FRS in response, not dodging. If we're talking evasion he easily dodges it from anywhere besides point blank range, and even then that's debatable as he can dodge Ay, who is faster than Hirudora, at the last minute. Your comparison doesn't even hold. Kisame can only react to B up to V2, and there's where B becomes too fast for him to properly react to. B has also never tagged Ay near full speed nor does Kisame being able to react to B have anything to do with Naruto.

Hirudora only becomes widespread when it explodes. If Naruto dodges it's trajectory it'll soar past him.

Didnt naruto use the same sage danger sensing he used against 3rd raikage? To dodge it at the last minute? So does that comparison work? Also even if hirudora only explodes at the last minute, doesnt the explosion catch up to a naruto who has already dodged it? Like the rasenshuriken which expanded against pain who somehow managed to dodge it in the initial wave.

 

[Eng nawashi]

None of team 2 can react and evade DMS kakashi's kamui ,which is much faster than kaguya's portal/ ash bone combo ,before a part of their body gets warped .definitely not with their attention being distracted or divided .not to mention that kakashi can double that speed by utilizing both eyes as obito could use both eyes for long range kamui when he was opening portals through kaguya's dimensions .kakashi can also teleport to kamui dimension and attack them through interdimensional portals .team1 wins .kakashi can solo easily as well.kamui kills minato then kakashi runs through naruto and his clones with kamui raikeri .

 

[KidGamer65]

Didnt naruto use the same sage danger sensing he used against 3rd raikage? To dodge it at the last minute? So does that comparison work? Also even if hirudora only explodes at the last minute, doesnt the explosion catch up to a naruto who has already dodged it? Like the rasenshuriken which expanded against pain who somehow managed to dodge it in the initial wave.

Yes, he did, but I don't see how this relates to KCM Naruto, Ay and Gai.

Like I said, it soars past him and explodes elsewhere.

 

[Oblivionx]

Kamui has been shown to be faster than guy eighth gate. Ftg has shown to be above eighth gate speed as well as minato teleported before him to trap TSB. So wouldnt naruto who is faster than A with V2, who has a reaction speed above light be able to dodge kamui? Wouldnt minato be able to dodge kamui with ftg markings all around and danger sensing of sagemode? And then outlast guy till he exhausts out ?

@bold, that is a weird case, majority believes gai was going slow on purpose, but in any case ftg is instant specially if minato plans the events out beforehand.

Minato can surely dodge everything these opponents have under normal circumstances. It's just that rikudo chaakra unbalances stuff. Kakashi was able to close kaguya's portal with kamui, the same portal that rinnegan sasuke failed to react to. So i am not sure, how much buff rikudo chakra gives kakashi here. He may as well have reactions on par with sasuke and naruto. In which case, minato won't be able to touch him even with ftg. And no naruto can't evade double kamui when he was having trouble against obito's single kamui. Minato can outlast, that is why i said it's a close call. It all depends on how much of a buff does rikudo chakra give.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

@bold, that is a weird case, majority believes gai was going slow on purpose, but in any case ftg is instant specially if minato plans the events out beforehand.

Minato can surely dodge everything these opponents have under normal circumstances. It's just that rikudo chaakra unbalances stuff. Kakashi was able to close kaguya's portal with kamui, the same portal that rinnegan sasuke failed to react to. So i am not sure, how much buff rikudo chakra gives kakashi here. He may as well have reactions on par with sasuke and naruto. In which case, minato won't be able to touch him even with ftg. And no naruto can't evade double kamui when he was having trouble against obito's single kamui. Minato can outlast, that is why i said it's a close call. It all depends on how much of a buff does rikudo chakra give.

Sage mode sensing gives danger perception at its highest level like an animal has. When kamui is gonna be use minato can sense the danger and teleport in the markings he previously marked over. Since kakashi cant use susanoo which would result in thier win, naruto and minato flies past them and kills them with a senpou rasenshuriken at close range, which is said to cut every chakra network nerve in the human body like it did to kakuzu, so having a durable body doesnt matter here, which means guy known for durability is going down. Naruto gets teleported together with minato like tobirama did.

 

[MightGai]

Is 8th gate restricted?

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Is 8th gate restricted?

He can use it.

 

[MightGai]

He can use it.

Gai alone wins, easily.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

technically if its an all out fight gai takes one for the team goes 8gates and one shots before they can react.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

technically if its an all out fight gai takes one for the team goes 8gates and one shots before they can react.

Minato has a reaction speed of light. He easily reacted to 8th guy, and teleported TSB. Naruto and minato reacts and uses ftg to transport each other before 8th gate guy or kakashi can land any attack. KCM naruto has danger sensing which will enable him and minato dodge fast moving objects at the last second the uses a Rasenshuriken after teleporting in the back off kakashi.

Gai alone wins, easily.

Eight gate guy was previously countered by minato.

 

[MightGai]

Eight gate guy was previously countered by minato.

Actually Lee reacted to 8th gate with the kunai. 6th Gates Lee > 8th Gated Gai, no fake, cannon fact.

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At any rate, being serious, JJ Madara fought both, and he reacted to FTG casually while cutting Minato's arm off (and he also reacted to Tobirama's FTG while we're at it). In the other hand he praised Gai twice for his speed, and he couldn't react in time to the 5 Evening Elephants, let alone space-distorting Night Gai. Not even KCM Minato can lay a hand on 8th Gate Gai, this version gets thrashed real bad.

 

[Oblivionx]

Sage mode sensing gives danger perception at its highest level like an animal has. When kamui is gonna be use minato can sense the danger and teleport in the markings he previously marked over. Since kakashi cant use susanoo which would result in thier win, naruto and minato flies past them and kills them with a senpou rasenshuriken at close range, which is said to cut every chakra network nerve in the human body like it did to kakuzu, so having a durable body doesnt matter here, which means guy known for durability is going down. Naruto gets teleported together with minato like tobirama did.

If kakashi has reactions on par with rinnegan sasuke, minato or naruto aren't touching him. I didn't say anything about durability. And i thought gai had up to 7 gates because 8th gate would one shot naruto and minato too if he engages it. Minato may survive it if he plays all his card right but surely kakashi will finish him off afterwards.