Gadien Sasuke(no sage chakra) VS BSM Minato
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I'll keep this as short as possible.
Where did i state that the op changed anything regarding to Sasuke abilities you we're the one saying he does not have those abilities.
Based off what it fitting around a much smaller kurama no. Madara's Perfect susanoo is larger than Kurama yet somehow its fitted so perfectly around it.
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they're is no reason to believe his perfect susanoo is smaller than Madara'sIt would equal it because they have equal power destructive wise Perfect susanoo shockwaves destroys mountains ranges bijuu dama's vaporizes mountains. By chidori stream i meant chidori running through his susanoo blade like a katana.
It actually is
Senjutsu is not the difference between Adult Sasuke and teenage Sasuke futhermore did i not already shit on your claim about that not being BSM naruto's equivalent. It actually does and adding ration on it does not make it any better for Minato.
Flight > foot speed and Sasuke Susanoo kept up with Naruto's BSM Avatar who shunshin is faster than a bijuu dama release as it smacked away 5 of them near instant with that being said Adult Sasuke's susanoo would be faster and adding flight and ameno its sure way of dodging.
100% Kurama's bijuu dama > that flash bijuu dama and this is according to you now add a senjutsu boost which is so so strong to mokujin its tosses a flash bijuu dama like a volley ball. That's your logic but when i meant tossed back i was talking about Sasuke using shira tensei not his susanoo's hand.
That was teen Sasuke Naruto could not react with a tail block when getting knocked upside the head at VOTE same for Minato adding ration bisects the blade or Sasuke uses bijuu to absorb the tails the rest of this has already been addressed.
I mentioned it because i was referring to bijuu tanking heavy damage while getting hit with their own bijuu dama no matter how small.
Getting a stronger eye does increase genjutsu when the eye is rinnegan which genjutsu works different from sharingan genjutsu. The rest is you complaining about the thread yell at the op not me.
Obito had done this with sharingan let alone rinnegan
Not when the host and the bijuu are caught at the same time which Sasuke can do so this point is moot.
I dont even understand this post all i know is i most likely countered so dismissed.
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"Sasuke didn't keep up with Obito w/ Susanoo's MOVEMENT SPEED. He hit him because he was STRIKING FAST ENOUGH. How does that prove that Sasuke's PS can MOVE FAST ENOUGH TO EVADE FLASH BIJUU DAMA. Do not give me another dumb reply."
That is the dumbest thing you have ever said so please tell me how sasuke was getting in range to strike obito or were his arms just magically stretching?. You say sasuke was only sriking fast enough which means he arms and legs were moving at high speeds, so tell e why his arms and legs which are a part of his body wont react at the same speeds to evade an attack, unless he had shit reactions which he does not.
So your saying that sasuke is gonna be hit with a FBD 3 times? which are not even in a row, you sir are severly underestimating susanoo.
And you say all this shit about Minatos senjutsu when everyone even himself knows how shit at it he is. He had never even used senjutsu in a fight before until then so it increasing his defensive or offensive capabilities alot is utter bullsh*t.
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Assuming it's equal in size and power of Madara's: (which I don't believe, but for the sake of this comparison and the argument since Madara's EMS Susanoo is the max that this Sasuke's Susanoo would reach)
1. Madara's PS is far far larger than Naruto's Avatar.
-Myojinmon compared to PS. [
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]2. PS protected Madara from this explosion.
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Combine the fact that Naruto's Avatar is a bug in size compared to Madara's (meaning it'd take more power to get through Madara's even if they were equal in durability pound for pound), and that Madara's took an explosion larger than Flash BD and still saved Madara from any damage, there is no way a single Flash BD wrecks Madara's Susanoo.
3. Naruto's Avatar is less durable than Madara's pound for pound.
-Naruto's Avatar is equal with Sasuke's PS which is below Madara's PS by quite a bit when it comes to durability, given the feats against Juubito and the fact that Sasuke's PS is inferior.
-The only reason he survived Juubidama is because his tails are collectively larger than the rest of his Avatar, just like any other form of Kurama. Thus more energy is needed to get past them than is needed to get past Naruto's main body. And because getting past Naruto's main body means GG, but if the tails are wiped out, Naruto's Avatar still stands.
-Madara's PS is far larger than Naruto's, thus far more chakra to get through. And Naruto's Avatar being equal with Sasuke's pound for pound means that Naruto's Avatar cannot be as strong or stronger than Madara's pound for pound.
What in the hell are you even talking about? Do you realize how foolish you sound. Read the Manga for Christ's sake.
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They are in mid air. Sasuke is not moving his Susanoo's legs, only his ARMS. Hence me referring to his striking speed. Striking and actually running and jumping are completely different movements. Do you not know how the human body works? Jesus Christ. 6G Gai has one of the fastest striking speeds in the Manga, yet Ay is still faster than him when it comes to Shunshin.
So go get me those speed feats. Stop using a strike from Sasuke's Susanoo as evidence that he can dodge a Flash BD.
-Can't dodge it.
-Can't Ameno the whole match due to a cooldown.
-Can't overpower it.
The only ones who aren't judging Sasuke's abilities how they are, would be you and the rest of the Sasuke supporters.
OP gave him BSM. There is nothing more to say here. Though it's amazing how you guys are thirsty to give Sasuke feats he doesn't get, but when the thread stipulations say Minato gets BSM, you cry. Smh.
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Woah, didn't expect that. On my phone so I'll see if I can grab the computer later, but you yourself have said that Madara's PS didn't take that whole explosion. I remember extensive debates where you were adament it was only half, which is true.
Since the BD's exploded behind Shinsuusenju but the rest of the body was still intact (although SS was more or less finished) despite all the arms being blown away.
Since the BD's exploded behind Shinsuusenju but the rest of the body was still intact (although SS was more or less finished) despite all the arms being blown away.
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Lmfao. Stop acting like a moron and just own up to your mistake. You wouldn't be telling me about OP saying anything if you didn't think OP changed it for the whole thread. What's funny is that you even follow up with "what's that about PS Chidori now?" Smh.
Based on Madara having far more and fare stronger chakra than Sasuke has.
That's Madara's PS. Not Sasuke's. Chidori Stream is what I addressed. Chidori stream is NOT Chidori nor are they the same power.
Irrelevant. Having a PS that is physically superior to the Avatar doesn't mean that he can hurt the Avatar. You didn't even shit on anything, you repeated the same BS over and over again. If you have something new to add on, by all means do so, if not, then don't expect a reply here.
Lmfao. You sound foolish trying to make up shit.
BSM Naruto=/=Kurama avatar when it comes to Shunshin. BM Naruto's Shunshin is what outsped those BD. Not Kurama's. The rest is irrelevant due to your flawed opening point.
How many times am I going to have to tell your dumbass not to quote me when all you do is twist what I said. Go show me where I stated 100% Kurama's standard BD>BM Naruto or BSM Minato's Flash BD. I'll be waiting.
The rest is irrelevant. Even if he uses ST, Minato would redirect it back with ST Barrier or Hiraishin, so once again. Failed point. Stop mentioning it.
You mean when Sasuke had a Bijuu PS? Far beyond any of his PS's abilities and physical power? Lmfao. Irrelevant. Sasuke isn't absorbing jack while he's inside Susanoo, and if he drops it for any reason, Minato one shots him.
And it's still irrelevant because BM Naruto's Standard BD=Hachibi's Standard BD, but BM Naruto's durability>>>>Hachibi's durability.
No it doesn't. Nothing in the Manga even begins to support that. OP has literally jack shit to do with anything here since his thread stipulations agree with me. No Rikudo Chakra=No Rikudo Chakra feats. End of story.
Nope. Zero proof that this is how he controlled Yagura, who was rumored to be a PJ.
Impossible. How the hell do you even catch an entity you can't physically see in Genjutsu anyway? Lmao.
So you can't understand english? In a nutshell. Stop giving Rikudo Boosted Sasuke's feats to Non Rikudo Boosted Sasuke. Any and all feats that aren't transitional (which has to be proven) will be ignored from this point forward.
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Alright bro. But I've had some changes of heart after analyzing the scans further. (Inb4 unorthodox cries cause I changed my mind)
-The explosion occurs with the epicenter being right
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that Shisnuusenju and PS Kurama clashed right next to.So they couldn't have exploded behind the statue.
I don't see what's the debating point here; If Sasuke has absolutely no chakra from the Hermit then his Rinnegan jutsu should not be any stronger than Nagatos in terms of scale. He also has much weaker PS than Madaras and Madaras withstood the lighter impact of Kyuubis Bijuu Dama. So essentially it's EMS Sasuke with Rinnegan versus BSM Minato. And clearly since he stands no chances against Minato with EMS alone, he loses and his watered down version of Rinnegan is not helping him in any way here.
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So what you trying to say here is that sasukes arms are faster than his legs? Da fuq
In the first scan you show Juubito dodging sasuke and naruto and naruto saying shit hes fast in the second scan you show juubito blocking their attacks which implies that they were able to MOVE and keep up even if it was just barely to him. You clearly see naruto saying he could sense him and you can also see that sasuke can track hes amazing speeds. So if anything you are helping me out lol.
If sasuke can track and follow Juubito and make him block the attack then why wont he see the FBD coming and evade it?
Honestly i dont see what you are getting at with this.
OP gave minato BSM because BSM minato actually exists but hes senjutsu is shit that is what im saying so hes defensive and offensive capabilities are not growing by much.
You say sasuke cant Ameno the whole match but Minato cant fire FBD all match either. So how is sasuke being hit if they both have to cool down and noone knows how long each cool down is for?
Honestly i think sasuke can do ameno more than once before he has to cool down but dont quote me on that coz i could be wrong.
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Ok, I'll quote these later. In some Borderlands 2 right now, I'll try and keep it small. Not about to jump on this errybody vs KG debate when it's really only one point
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@Kidgamer. Yeah your wrong i just re-read chapter 674 and sasuke uses ameno like 3 times that chapter without have to cooldown so FBD is getting dodged effortlessly
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No. His legs being able to be swung as fast as his arms doesn't mean that he can run/jump/Shunshin at the same speed his arms moves. The act of your leg being swung is NOT the whole process of actually running. I suggest you go take some kind of a class on the human body's functions before we continue.
Smh. No, I'm not. Sasuke being able to track Juubito does not mean that he can evade Juubito. Nor does it mean that he can evade Flash BD. Sasuke and Naruto reacted to Juubito by attacking him. Striking speed=/=Movement speed.
Do you even know why his Senjutsu is poor? Or are you just making shit up? Minato said that he doesn't use Sage Mode because he's bad at it, reasons being:
1. Takes too long for him to knead the chakra.
2. He can't maintain the mode for a long time.
Where does he say that he's poor at Senjutsu because it doesn't grant him the usual boost? Nowhere, nor would that even make sense.
Except Minato can use his Bijuu Dama any time he wants while Sasuke can't use Ameno any time he wants. Minato has no cooldown. Stop inventing stuff to increase Sasuke's chances of winning. Not to mention simple deductive reasoning is all that you need to figure out Sasuke's eye has a cooldown.
-Minato uses Flash BD. He evades it.
-Minato uses Flash BD again, he doesn't evade it.
Cool down.
Good, I won't. Because you are wrong.
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Alright. lmfao thanks man.
Did he use it 3 times in a row? Or were there short periods of time in between each usage?
Oh wait. It's the latter. I'm right. You are wrong. Ameno has a cooldown, that's a fact. How many times he has to use it for the cooldown to take effect is unclear, but one thing is clear. Sasuke can't spam Ameno more than Minato can use his Bijuu Dama, so Minato kills him.
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What the hell why are you talking about running sasuke would be in his susanoo flying. Flight>footspeed. I never said he could evade juubito im saying he could evade FBD which is much slower than juubito. can you send me a scan of FBD speed feats coz i have no idea where your getting this sh*t from.
