Gadien Sasuke(no sage chakra) VS BSM Minato
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KidGamer65
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Minato eats him for breakfast. He's basically EMS Sasuke w/ Rinnegan if he has no Rikudo Chakra. Ameno is nice and all, but it's useless when he himself is slower than Minato, who can also teleport. Not to mention it's useless when Minato has his Avatar up, since Sasuke has no attack that'd do any serious damage to him while Bijuu Dama from BSM Minato would do heavy damage if charged.
All we know is that Sasuke would be EMS Madara+++ (considering he was near his level 13 years ago more or less while Madara as a teen could only be capable of dreaming Susanoos and that shit), but it's difficult to scale his techs down and know what he can do considering we have no feats from Adult Sasuke without Rikudou buffs.
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Gaiden Sasuke would be like a stronger ems Madara with rinnegan. He would still be pretty formidable with his PS chidori. I doubt that FTG would work in such a large scale battle.
FTG in defense is nice but Sasuke can use preta path while attacking with better mastery of his rinnegan now or even Ameno.
I doubt Minato can hold his bsm form for long so given that I think Sasuke takes this high diff
FTG in defense is nice but Sasuke can use preta path while attacking with better mastery of his rinnegan now or even Ameno.
I doubt Minato can hold his bsm form for long so given that I think Sasuke takes this high diff
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You sound dumb as phuck.
This post is all kinds of dumb Adult Sasuke being slower than Minato how? his kid self was able to keep up with km naruto minato & Tobirama with no problem yet as an adult he'd still be slower? hell no. Your logic would hold water if Sasuke ameno needed striking speed for it to be effective
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Ameno can warp the opponent on to its attack needed no striking speed whatsoever. Sasuke slashes a mountain and trades it with Minato gg, or he simply warps him out the kurama avatar bisecting him easily. Sasuke was already shown to blitz Naruto with ameno
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Who is basically BSM Naruto if we take the upgrades away from him someone able to blitz bsm naruto is far faster than bsm minato plus we can accurately assume he gotten faster since he was 17 still a teen so Minato gets screwed.
Slap yourself you kid Chidori on his ps blades bisects Minato's Kurama we've already seen it cut a tail off before run a stream of ration down it that matched a bijuu dama meaning it would have equal but focused power its chops the bm avatar head clean off. Bijuu dama charged or not he's not catching Sasuke when he can fly this high
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and teleport and he's well above god tree height level bijuu dama landing is a joke if Minato makes any bushin they get counter with Sasuke's bushin using standing susanoo and preta path also turning the bushin Body it a CT CORE which will be larger then pains
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if we include other rinnegan feats this is just a stomp match
Sasuke low-med diff
Itachi san88
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Sasuke no chakra Rikudou = loses 80% of its powers 
Minato wins.
Sasuke has not activated the rinnegan alone as Madara, for this is so strong, should thank Rikudou.
Minato wins.All these beautiful things can do it only with the chakras and powers of Rikudou. Without them, it would be much weaker....
Sasuke has not activated the rinnegan alone as Madara, for this is so strong, should thank Rikudou.
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Sasuke should still win given his PS would be capable of tanking all of Minato's attacks, and surviving Flash TBB. Good thing he can teleport it into Minato's face though before it finishes charging.. Rinnegan also means he has some Sage chakra, so it would result in a victory regardless. Sasuke should be too op at this point for Minato to handle him, and his chakra more powerful then Madara's as he has the Rinnegan and is probably older then Madara was at VOTE (hence more developed/potent chakra=stronger PS). PS ends this.
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Sasuke can only use PS Chidori w/ Rikudo Chakra. And even if we gave him the ability to do without it despite there being no evidence that he can, it's only on par with a normal Bijuu Dama from BM Naruto. BSM Minato's normal Bijuu Dama is much stronger due to Sage Mode let alone anything higher than that.
Preta Path is completely irrelevant. Not only can he not take in too much Senjutsu, how is he going to use Preta while using Susanoo? If he doesn't, he falls to Hiraishin tactics. Ameno isn't a game changer when BSM Minato>>EMS Sasuke's overall speed. Give them both teleportation and it's clear who wins.
Minato can hold his form for 8 minutes. More than enough time to beat Sasuke.
Wrong. Literally nothing in the Manga shows that EMS Sasuke=BSM Naruto. Manga shows otherwise in fact. And getting Rinnegan isn't going to give a drastic boost to his powers. Otherwise you would've seen this boost when Obito got it.
Lmao, you really must love getting your arguments ripped apart by yours truly.
1. War Arc Sasuke was keeping up with a Naruto and Minato who didn't use Shunshin. His top speed is on par with Naruto's regular foot speed w/o Shunshin, and he was only reacting as fast as these guys. Has jack shit to do with his actual movement speed.
2. Get me proof that Adult Sasuke would be faster than BSM Minato. Ameno does need striking speed to be effective, if it didn't, then Kaguya would've gotten tagged by Sasuke, twice. Smh. End of story, please don't try and ignore Manga evidence by claiming some "plot" bullshit or whatever you'd foolishly try to claim.
Just because the Manga is in still pictures, doesn't mean that he teleported Madara to his attack. Sasuke thrust forward, Naruto thrust foward, and Madara was teleported and then hit. Do you realize how dumb you sound? That's because no one who reads the Manga correctly would argue that Sasuke w/ PS and a regular Rinnegan w/o no special chakra would win.
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Read the Manga pal. Not only did Naruto react to Sasuke, Sasuke had to use a fireball to distract and occupy the guy just so he could have a better chance at blitzing him. Not to mention your attempt to downscale is pathetic. If you take away Hagoromo's Senjutsu from Naruto and Hagoromo's chakra from Sasuke, you are left with a Naruto w/ no Senjutsu, BM Naruto, and EMS Sasuke. If EMS Sasuke had Ameno, if he used a distraction he'd be able to tag BM Naruto, but BM Naruto would still react. BSM Naruto would react even faster and not be tagged. BSM Minato is faster than BM Naruto and BSM Naruto considering he's always been faster. Give them the same buffs and the faster one isn't debatable. So nice job ignoring Manga fact.
If EMS Sasuke can't tag BM Naruto w/o him reacting, he won't tag Minato who is faster than BSM Naruto. Minato either reacts and counters or he throws a Kunai behind Sasuke and blitzes him with Hiraishin. You are going to have to prove that Adult Sasuke is so much faster that he'll bridge the gap between BM Naruto, BSM Naruto, and BSM Minato, cause when Naruto got Senjutsu, he went from being blitzed by Juubito to tracking Juubito and reacting.
Wrong. The panel below shows that Naruto hasn't lost a single tail. PS's slashes were tanked by Kurama's blades. Easily at that. Running a stream of Raiton down isn't going to give it PS Slash+Chidori's power. Do you even realize how stupid you sound right now? Chidori Katana is nowhere near as strong as Chidori, considering one pierced Ay and the other bounced off his damn neck.
Then there's the fact that Sasuke has only used Chidori or Raiton with PS after gaining Hagoromo's power. Stop using Rikudo Chakra Sasuke's feats in an attempt to prove your point.
So yeah, get me proof that anything you stated even makes a bit of sense and then we can talk.
Lol, are you dumb? How the hell is Sasuke going to hit Minato when he's flying that high? Do you even think before you post? Stop giving me Rikudo Chakra Sasuke feats please. I don't care for them since he lacks that chakra here.
Rinnegan feats w/ no special chakra? Yeah, right. Far from it. Minato wins. Don't you ever get tired of getting shitted on? Smh.
At the very best it'd be as strong as EMS Madara's, and even then there's no proof that it is. EMS Madara can handle regular Bijuu Dama from Minato, but anything larger than that starts to do damage, and a Senjutsu enhanced Flash Bijuu Dama does moderate damage. 2-3 of those and his Susanoo is finished. In the meanwhile, he can't even hurt Minato that badly due to Senjutsu enhanced Kurama Avatar.
Lmao, even if Sasuke could redirect attacks with Ameno, Minato would just be able to teleport it right back since anything that touches his chakra can be warped. He sends it either away to another tag far away from the field, or he sends it to a close by tag so it blows up and Sasuke still takes the damage.
Sasuke being older isn't automatic proof that his chakra would be stronger than EMS Madara's, if that's what you are implying. Sasuke has no Sage Chakra regardless of having the Rinnegan. Stated pretty clearly in the OP. Nor is he going to get this imaginary boost you people are making up just because he has the eyes. Did Obito get some massive boost when he got Madara's left eye? Did Nagato? No. The massive boost comes with the Rikudo Chakra you should have when you get the Rinnegan, but that is restricted here.
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Why would it be limited to that strong? Sasuke's had his PS for what.. 12 years? Madara had nowhere near that amount of time with his EMS and his chakra had surely not developed as much as Sasuke's given Sasuke had more time for it to develop. Madara's PS tanked 100% Kurama's TBB. Not a scratch on it. Regular Bijuu Dama would be smaller than 100% Kyuubi TBB. Flash Bijuu Dama with Senjutsu would probably do slight damage, but it surely isn't capable of smashing it. Moreover, Flash Bijuu Dama can be Ameno'd into Minato's avatar. So it's not being used more then once in this match.
The more your eyes mature the more your chakra gets stronger and closer to Indra's. And okay, he doesn't have Sage chakra. DOesn't change anything. And what? What reason would chakra potency boost Obito and Nagato's normal jutsu? It was clearly stated Obito's Rinnegan had immense power, almost too much for him to control. He simply has no direct jutsu which work in relation to chakra potency. Sasuke has PS which does work in relation to chakra potency. Other then that I agree with you, but the eye still possesses Rikudo's chakra regardless (not here though). Anyways, one PS shockwave can practically clear the entire battlefield with the FTG kunai's along with it. So teleportation is not going to work like it normally would for Minato, and throwing Kunai's will still have him caught in the shockwaves range.
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The length of the time he had Susanoo isn't going to change how his chakra would grow. Madara and Adult Sasuke are most likely the in same age range, so they've lived the same amount of years and had the same amount of time for their chakra to develop. Madara's chakra has always been humongous and has always been the strongest in his clan.
Yes. I agree that regular Bijuu Dama is tanked by Sasuke's Susanoo. Flash Bijuu Dama alone isn't doing "slight" damage. Let alone with Senjutsu. We already saw what a regular RSM Bijuu Dama and equal Chidori did to Sasuke's Susanoo at VoTE. Downscale and you get EMS Sasuke. Flash Bijuu Dama would do much more damage, and Senjutsu Flash BD would do even more. What Sasuke took at VoTE was low end moderate damage. What he would take from Minato's BD is high end moderate damage. Upscale to EMS Madara's Susanoo and the damage would still be moderate, but nowhere near as bad as it was for EMS Sasuke's. So yeah, it won't smash it, but more than one will smash it.
Lmao. Why would that stop Minato from using it more than once? Hell, not only has Sasuke never been able to teleport an attack coming right at him away, even if he did that, it'd hit Minato's Avatar then he'd teleport it right back since he can warp things that touch his chakra. Whether it's to a marking on the field or a marking far away doesn't matter. Either Sasuke takes the damage like planned, or Minato escapes the blast altogether.
Uh, no. You can say that about leveling up the eyes, but not about maturing your chakra. Not only is there no basis for this, Indra has his father's chakra. There is no getting close to that without getting Hagoromo's chakra yourself.
He said it's chakra power was so strong that he almost lost himself, but if he had such a boost in chakra potency, then you would see it in his speed and strength too and not just his Ninjutsu.
He doesn't need to teleport himself around. If Sasuke scatters his Kunai with Hiraishin (they won't be destroyed) then that just gives him a clear counter to when and if Sasuke decides to use Ameno to warp BD back to him.
I can't believe the Rinnegan isn't getting any credit.. Minato literally has no answe for Gedo Mazo. Also Sasuke isn't new to Handling Senjutsu so he would be able to handle a lot more than Nagato.. And Minato FTG would be none existent, Sasuke would Enton all of the Kunai.. Sasuke wins with mild trouble.
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Agree with your post except on one account. Minato really shouldn't be faster than Naruto in KCM. Their reaction feats where about equal, and Sasuke was keeping up with them in footspeed as well as reactions. (Though the former 2 have a faster Shunshin)
Minato wouldn't get faster with BM either. There were multiple times he synced with Kurama and his cloak still stayed as KCM. Naruto is the only one that gets that benifit. Though the fanfictional BSM boosts his speed up a pretty good amount.
Agree with your post except on one account. Minato really shouldn't be faster than Naruto in KCM. Their reaction feats where about equal, and Sasuke was keeping up with them in footspeed as well as reactions. (Though the former 2 have a faster Shunshin)
Minato wouldn't get faster with BM either. There were multiple times he synced with Kurama and his cloak still stayed as KCM. Naruto is the only one that gets that benifit. Though the fanfictional BSM boosts his speed up a pretty good amount.