[Theory] Gaara's sand>Kagetsuchi>Lightning Chakra shield>Kyuubi chakra cloak

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To start off I am not saying Kagetsuchi trumps any of these techniques, but how most them can't stop Kagetsuchi's penetration ability. :whip:

Enton or Blaze release is the strongest of all nature elements it is fire deprives of all weaknesses and its highest form and with Sasuke's Chakra control it becomes an even more frightening tool. Sasuke specializes in weaponizing chakra. (hardening and shaping chakra so that it acts like weapon)
A prime example on this technique is chidori spear and Kagetsuchi, but kagetsuchi is stronger.

Gaara's sand>Kagetsuchi
A lot of people say that Gaara's special sand can not be burned by Amaterasu and they are kind of right.
My theory is that black flames have a hard time burning through chakra. Specifically high concentrations of chakra. Gaara's sand is the product of compressing Gaara's mothers body and soul into pure chakra in the form of sand. This extremely high chakra concentration makes Gaara's sand flame retardant.

Kagetsuchi>Lightning chakra shield
Amaterasu can pretty much burn all physical objects very quickly, but it remained on Ay for a while without burning his arm clear off, this is the event that first gave me the thought that high concentration of chakra hinder black flames. The reason why It took so long for the black flames to burn through Ay's arm was because of the high concentration of chakra in Ay's Charka shield.
Still this only hindered the flames it did not stop them and if Amaterasu can get through it which is not concentrated, then Kagetsuchi can definitely get through it.

Lightning Shield>Kyuubi chakra cloak(KCC)
Apart from reducing the shockwaves, blocking kunai, and blocking a wide range fire attack.
The KCC has not blocked any heavy physical damage, it has been burned by a lava attack, and a clone donning the KCC was destroyed by a mini bijuu bomb shockwave.
This information alone lets us know that the KCC pales to the lightning shield in terms of defense meaning it also can not protect against Kagetsuchi.
 

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The Kyuubi Chakra Cloak protected the alliance from Tenpenchi :|
 

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KCC > Lightning shield & Gaara's sand.

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The Kyuubi Chakra Cloak protected the alliance from Tenpenchi :|

Which only caused a big explosion. We don't see anyone hit by lightning or taking any direct damage from the attack just shockwave.
 

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KCC > Lightning shield & Gaara's sand.

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This^^^^^^^^

I guess there is no other proof needed. Most times the ultimate defense is the ultimate offense too.
 

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Yata Mirror > Gaara's Sand

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To start off I am not saying Kagetsuchi trumps any of these techniques, but how most them can't stop Kagetsuchi's penetration ability. :whip:

Enton or Blaze release is the strongest of all nature elements it is fire deprives of all weaknesses and its highest form and with Sasuke's Chakra control it becomes an even more frightening tool. Sasuke specializes in weaponizing chakra. (hardening and shaping chakra so that it acts like weapon)
A prime example on this technique is chidori spear and Kagetsuchi, but kagetsuchi is stronger.
True enough, however, I think 3rd raikage's "spear" has better piercing abilities.
And I don't see, how you state that it is the strongest of all nature elements. At first, it's not really any nature element, but even if it is, there is always dust release, which is stronger, and can penetrate any of these defenses. Just saying =D

Gaara's sand>Kagetsuchi
A lot of people say that Gaara's special sand can not be burned by Amaterasu and they are kind of right.
My theory is that black flames have a hard time burning through chakra. Specifically high concentrations of chakra. Gaara's sand is the product of compressing Gaara's mothers body and soul into pure chakra in the form of sand. This extremely high chakra concentration makes Gaara's sand flame retardant.
Sand has a high melting point, besides it seems that the flames of Amaterasu doesn't burn very fast, i.e. nobody has ever taken severe injuries after being hit by it. This is likely why Sasuke tries to use it as a "spear" for piercing purposes. But what makes its piercing abilities so fierce? It has to be the high heat from extreme chakra control, which helps penetrating a target. Kinda lame scientifically, but it's a manga after all.
It also seems, that the heat is contained within the flame, and the surroundings aren't affected by the heat, which might explain, why the flames can be very hot as stated in the databook. So it's probably by containing the heat in the flame, and then release some in the end of it, where it can pierce.

Kagetsuchi>Lightning chakra shield
Amaterasu can pretty much burn all physical objects very quickly, but it remained on Ay for a while without burning his arm clear off, this is the event that first gave me the thought that high concentration of chakra hinder black flames. The reason why It took so long for the black flames to burn through Ay's arm was because of the high concentration of chakra in Ay's Charka shield.
Still this only hindered the flames it did not stop them and if Amaterasu can get through it which is not concentrated, then Kagetsuchi can definitely get through it.
Well it also remained on Karin without burning her down for a while, so this is not evidence for the lighting shield to be protecting him. Amaterasu just really doesn't burn that fast :| as I said above, it hasn't killed anyone yet.

Lightning Shield>Kyuubi chakra cloak(KCC)
Apart from reducing the shockwaves, blocking kunai, and blocking a wide range fire attack.
The KCC has not blocked any heavy physical damage, it has been burned by a lava attack, and a clone donning the KCC was destroyed by a mini bijuu bomb shockwave.
This information alone lets us know that the KCC pales to the lightning shield in terms of defense meaning it also can not protect against Kagetsuchi.
Well the purpose of KCC, is that it has amazing healing properties, and it can be used to deflect incoming attacks, so it wont hit the user. It's not a shield.
 

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Amaterasu burns through everything slowly. Don't think chakra has anything to do with it.
 

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you're only talking of one aspect though. We know gaara's special sand is not the perfect defense because from the first season we know it moves independent of gaara's thoughts and actions (all the times it defended him when he had no idea he was being attacked). That said, in the chuunin exams, naruto came at him faster than the sand could keep up, so if naruto at barely chuunin level could out speed the sand, he could one it gaara with no problem at all now. You are making the strictest of linear thoughts which doesnt allow for any reason at all. It's all about "well the sand blocked ameterasu which was better thanlightning shield, which helped pwn naruto once" so you assume it is better than anything, but A>B>c>D doesnt always work.....besides, dust release pwns all, one big beastly cube and everything inside is vaporized.
 

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KCC > Lightning shield & Gaara's sand.

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Hey. I was thinking...
Amateretsu is an undieing flame. But a flame nontheless. Would kcc block amateretsu?
 

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Hey. I was thinking...
Amateretsu is an undieing flame. But a flame nontheless. Would kcc block amateretsu?

It blocked a Juubi's TBB, it blocked Tenpenchi. I don't see why it couldn't block Amaterasu, taking in consideration that Juubi > Uchihas.
 

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It blocked a Juubi's TBB, it blocked Tenpenchi. I don't see why it couldn't block Amaterasu, taking in consideration that Juubi > Uchihas.

Right, except for amateretsu is not an explosion. Tbbs blow up. A momentary attack. Amateresu stays on the target till its burn to a crisp. It is not a momentary attack. If sasuke used amateretsu on naruto, it would stay there until narutos kcm buff was gone. At that point, it could burn naruto

But jiriya sealed itachi's amateretsu. Naruto might be able to save himself before the amateretsu has an effect.
 
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