[VS] Gaara Vs Sasuke
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Curse Mark
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I did. Gaara took his sand out first. He simply guarded as well. Not really a huge deal. I even showed you the scan. He did so to kill Sasuke. After guarding, he joins with others to attack. Why didn't he simply shrug it off and attacked anyway, which was his original intention? You cannot simply ignore that other scan, and Amaterasu has chakra and Natural Energy sapping properties. Not really an out of the world conclusion. The more it is use, the quicker it happens, and Gaara cannot control Sand without his own chakra. It isn't telekinesis.
That and Kirin. I cannot see how this guy wins against an EMS Sasuke.
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My dude just said he guarded to kill Sasuke. wtf lmao.
Clearly Gaara blocked enton. Sasuke said it- manga showed it. Literally cannot be argued.
Are you saying Ama absorbs chakra??
Go back and look at the scan again. Or read the entire panels. He took out the sand to kill Sasuke. Yes, he ended up guarding as well, but it doesn't render the previous scans obsolete. That is what I am saying. It also doesn't matter either way, as EMS Sasuke can put out tons of it in a single barrage. He's toast either way, as we are not even talking about MS Sasuke here.
Did I say he didn't? No. Does it change the previous panels? No.
Sap doesn't mean absorb. What's wrong with you?
Curse Mark
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Bold is entirely fanfiction. Gaara never says or hints at why he takes it out.
@Underline LMAOOOOOO. Yes you did !!! That's what we've been arguing this whole time!
I am sorry, I don't pay for Viz. The regular scan said just that. After that I accepted he guarded. No biggie. So LMAOOOOO what?
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So, he takes out the sand first and Sasuke makes his Susano'o later? Yeah, whatever you say.
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Shelke, you do realize this is a hypothetical perfect Jin Gaara Vs EMS Sasuke, right...? Not a Jin-less Gaara that is bound to just his gourd sand.
Curse Mark
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That's not even what we're discussing though. Dude was denying literal manga because of a crappy translation. multiple pages of it go against the one sentence and he was still riding it.
And then he tries to say that he accepted that he was guarding when he actually did the opposite he tried to deny saying it in the first place. It's too much smh
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Your point made sense, and then was proven with the Viz translation. His underlining argument is that Enton/Amaterasu would weaken (sap) Gaaras sand manipulation. Even if it did (which isn't supported in those scans), he is still only taking Gaaras gourd sand into consideration, and making it apparent that EMS Sasuke could produce more Enton than what MS Sasuke did in that scenario, which would overwhelm the gourd sand. At least, that is my understanding.
Curse Mark
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Yeah, the difference in the amount of sand he can control by blind madara point is ridiculous. Even if it did weaken gaara's sand, the amount would be negligible compared to how much sand he's manipulating.
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Exactly, and perfect Jin Gaara should be able to utilize even more sand then that. Not to mention, Gaaras gourd sand is infused with his chakra, while natural sand is not.
Every Vs battle (or most of them) are hypothetical in nature. I realize that. This isn't even about the Sand Gourd as I have explained repeatedly.
Jesus ... let me put this one last time, as I am too busy for this:
Gaara puts his sand after he saved Raikage to talk to Sasuke. Notice the sand going completely into the gourd in these scans:
Notice carefully, that Sasuke has no Susano'o the entire time in the above scans. After the talk fails, Gaara takes his sand out to attack. We can see the sand moving out slowly and then it suddenly bursts out when Gaara goes in for the attack. Sasuke still has no Susano'o out:
Notice the top of the second panel. Gaara cries that he "has to kill Sasuke now." Sasuke has still not activated his Susano; let alone an Enton. Look at the bottom half of the panel; after Gaara takes out his sand to attack, in fact, it has burst out to attack Sasuke, the sand siblings also go into an attack stance. It's after that Sasuke makes his Susano'o.
What happens next? He throws out three Enton flames at the three siblings. Gaara forced into offense to guard against an attack he wasn't expecting. That not only is a testament to Sasuke's immense speed (even though he's literally exhausted), but proves that Gaara originally attacked, Sasuke went on an offense and forced Gaara to go into defence:
Three Entons for three siblings. Nothing was stopping Gaara from continuing the attack, as that is why he even brought the sand out, made it explode out of his gourd and attacked him. It means Enton did its work.
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Notice carefully, that Sasuke has no Susano'o the entire time in the above scans. After the talk fails, Gaara takes his sand out to attack. We can see the sand moving out slowly and then it suddenly bursts out when Gaara goes in for the attack. Sasuke still has no Susano'o out:
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Notice the top of the second panel. Gaara cries that he "has to kill Sasuke now." Sasuke has still not activated his Susano; let alone an Enton. Look at the bottom half of the panel; after Gaara takes out his sand to attack, in fact, it has burst out to attack Sasuke, the sand siblings also go into an attack stance. It's after that Sasuke makes his Susano'o.
What happens next? He throws out three Enton flames at the three siblings. Gaara forced into offense to guard against an attack he wasn't expecting. That not only is a testament to Sasuke's immense speed (even though he's literally exhausted), but proves that Gaara originally attacked, Sasuke went on an offense and forced Gaara to go into defence:
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Three Entons for three siblings. Nothing was stopping Gaara from continuing the attack, as that is why he even brought the sand out, made it explode out of his gourd and attacked him. It means Enton did its work.
Now whether you accept this or not doesn't matter to me as I am getting tired of this needless flipflopping. EMS Sasuke can put out tons more in a single beat. This guy doesn't stand a change, when he has Enton arrows, Magatamas and Swords. Gaara is roasted in seconds.
And kindly, refrain from using petty language when I have posted enough scans to explain the whole picture. Typical versus section debator.
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Except that since Gaara never attacked and there is no scan segment of him attacking Sasuke it exposes this portion of your post as nothing more than false information you've inserted to secure your argument with the mistranslated text.
As Cruse Mark noted, Gaara's sand never moved from it's initial point of Release so it therefore cannot be an attack as the only thing Gaara is shown to do with the scan is defend against Sasuke's enton which covered the distance between the two parties in an offensive manner towards Gaara's team. The depiction then accepts the VIZ translation as the accurate of the two.
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As Cruse Mark noted, Gaara's sand never moved from it's initial point of Release so it therefore cannot be an attack as the only thing Gaara is shown to do with the scan is defend against Sasuke's enton which covered the distance between the two parties in an offensive manner towards Gaara's team. The depiction then accepts the VIZ translation as the accurate of the two.
How did you come to this conclusion?
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Why would he defend when there was no attack beforehand? Your own picture proves so that he lapsed into a defensive position after the attack. Why would he take his sand out to defend when Sasuke has not even created any Susano'o, any Enton? That happens immediately after his sand explodes out of his gourd. He lapsed into a defensive stance from an offensive one. It's pretty clear from the images. Your drawings are simply reiterating a rather simple matter of following the image. And the second one is simply wishful thinking and an assumption, I’m afraid. You are making it seem like Gaara moved the sand to protect against something that wasn't even in sight. Does that make any sense to you? Why would he do that? So, he took his sand out to guard; against what, I might ask?
His sand is molded in a completely different manner and is in a different position. In one scan it is behind him and in the other it has moved in the front. That should not count as a deliberate movement? I mean, you see no difference between it exploding behind his back for an attack (as Sasuke hasn't formed the Susano'o yet) and the sand in front? No displacement at all in sight?
From the manga, I assume? Kabuto's Inorganic Transmigration makes it pretty clear. As for chakra, then there are plenty of examples for that one. All you have to do is jog your memory.
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Curse Mark
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Exactly. It's sad you had to even redraw the manga because it makes sense already to anyone who can read it.
You literally just make stuff up to help your argument. It's never said why Gaara's crying.
Gaara never attacked, he took his sand out of his gourd to defend.
Nothing offensive about that.
Gaara is keeping a visual of Sasuke and Relases the Sand from his gourd.
Gaara observes Sasuke activating Susano'o and subsequently an Enton Orb.
Sasuke fires a Mass of Enton towards Gaara's Team which Gaara defends himself and his team against with the sand released from his gourd.
The time it took Sasuke to arouse Susano'o and the Enton orb, maintain a visual with the target(s) and fire a mass of Enton----all of which was being observed----compensates for Gaara protecting his team from the attack.
@Blue: Except Sasuke used Amaterasu after the Inorganic Transmigration which deformed the cave was completed and the heat from the flames simply returned it to it's original position. We know the Jutsu was over because the moment
I rather not Jog my memory where chakra is concerned and would rather you provide examples because apparently your interpretation of an hidden property of Enton "sapping" chakra is not certified or thoroughly elaborated but rather a misinterpretation of events int he Manga.
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The time it took Sasuke to arouse Susano'o and the Enton orb, maintain a visual with the target(s) and fire a mass of Enton----all of which was being observed----compensates for Gaara protecting his team from the attack.
@Blue: Except Sasuke used Amaterasu after the Inorganic Transmigration which deformed the cave was completed and the heat from the flames simply returned it to it's original position. We know the Jutsu was over because the moment
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and was stuck, as if "dead" in
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and Sasuke only used Amatearsu to stop Kabuto from physically engaging them.
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I rather not Jog my memory where chakra is concerned and would rather you provide examples because apparently your interpretation of an hidden property of Enton "sapping" chakra is not certified or thoroughly elaborated but rather a misinterpretation of events int he Manga.
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Bold: Are you starting to notice a pattern here? Dude tries to argue enton stopped sand. Dude tries to argue that gaara's guard is an attack. Dude tries to argue why Gaara's crying and how Gaara's thinking he's gonna kill him (never happened) in the other thread he's trying to argue that Omoi cutting Sasori's chakra strings is a speed feat and that if he didn't do it so fast Kankuro wouldn't have been able to connect his threads to Sasori's. Clearly Omoi only tricked them and it was Kankuro whose speed mattered in that scenario.
He's just not really good at reading or understanding the manga, you really can't even be frustrated with him.
I cannot believe something so simple is getting this stretched out:
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Sasuke activates his Susano'o after Gaara takes the stance. This panel is put below Gaara's for a reason. Within the "temporal" sequence, it would canonically come after Gaara's stance. Otherwise, the mangaka would have shown something along these lines:
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Here two events are happening simultaneously; Naruto being given the energy and Sasuke sensing it. The mangaka went for the same panel. That is not happening in the above scan, so all explanations are needless from your end. Your take on it is rather odd, when paneling and ordering is done for a reason. Otherwise, they would have been on the same division with a partition (this doesn't always show “simultaneous” occurrence; in fact most of the time the right to left ordering is applicable) or within the same panel. Unless the image is not read upside down, the events would absolutely be taken as they are presented. Kindly, do not push me to pull out a visual lexicon discussion; you will experience grave disappointment that way. You ignoring the ordering in incorrect in itself. This isn't even an argument.
This point has already been addressed, quite repeatedly. You are basically repeating the same thing in several paragraphs and hoping for a linguistic miracle.
IT uses Natural Energy to give life to the environment. The environment, for all intents and purposes, was a lifeless environment. The only agent that breathed life into was “Natural Energy.” The cave reverted back to its original state because the heat from the flames sapped that life out of it. It’s a simple case of “returning to the original state.” Kabuto's dialogue is extremely simple to grasp and understand.
Now which agent was removed, and which agent facilitated this process? Natural Energy from the spikes and Heat from the flames. It’s really a simple and straight forward analysis that doesn’t even require any in depth knowledge of figurative language.
Perhaps, in your opinions. If you really cannot understand simple matters of panel ordering and clear cut dialogues, may I ask why did you decide to give yourself the pointless worry of jumping in?
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