Poop response bruh. We're not talking about the real world, and Gaara really didn't have control. It's not an excuse of any kind, it's what happened in the manga. If you look at the current Gaara without the Shukaku you can clearly tell he's an entirely different character. As for who killed more, well, there's really no way to tell.
Gaara vs Sasuke
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lswhyte123
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Hmm,pretty weak logic there. You say that it's not speculation based on the fact that Gaara seemed like he would have killed more. Sorry but unless we can make up a list,which we can't do,then both characters can only be found guilty(lol) of what we've seen them do.
In Gaara's case,he's killed people. Circumstances don't matter.
In Sasuke case,he's killed people,betrayed his village,joined a terrorist organisation,attempted to kidnap a Jinchuuriki,killed a Kage,attacked the Gokage, took another Kage's hand,attempted to murder his latest team,assisted in the start of a world war and probably some other stuff who knows.....
One of those lists is longer.
Blaze Release
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Highlighted part, nonsense. This isnt an excuse. Fact is both have done crazy things. Sasuke mightve done alot more, but gaara has killed more that im certain. You talk about he didnt have control because of shikaku, thats merely an excuse, not different to me saying its after sasuke found out about itachi's life did he turn evil, before that he was actually very caring. If i remember correctly he didnt kill any of the fodders and oro questioned this, no different to how he told suigetsu not to kill anybody with the curse mark during their retrieval of juugo. Previous gaara was just as bad as current sasuke
He mightve done more, so what exactly. Or are you saying because he done more what gaara did doesnt deserve the same punishment
I cannot be bothered to upload the manga chapter for you. A time comes when i just allow people to stay ignorant
lswhyte123
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I feel you should lose rep here.
You failed to back up your argument. You say things with certainty even though you have no basis to think so. You tell someone something and then don't back it up-kinda trolling.
Blaze,I know you can't be bothered sometimes but if you can't then don't start. Cause you basically start making a point and then when things don't go your way,you just walk off saying I can't be bothered.
1: You don't know how many people Gaara killed-FACT
2: You don't know how many Sasuke killed-FACT
3: Severity of crimes is certainly something which gets taken into consideration.
4: Sasuke has effected too many of the leaders to have them all let it go. Gaara only required a pardon from Konoha & Suna...Sasuke will need it from the entire ninja world.
No, previous Gaara was not as bad as current Sasuke for the simple fact that if it wasn't for the Shukaku he wouldn't have done any of the bad things we saw him do in the manga. Current Sasuke already knows the truth, and has still chosen to go down the wrong path. I can't put it anymore simpler than that. Also, If you can't accept the simple fact that Gaara didn't have full control, and was under the direct influence of Shukaku then I'm not even gonna bother responding.
Blaze Release
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lose rep?, lmao feel free, how old are you or do you think im that bothered with rep. You are right, ive little interest in this thread and tbh there is little to discuss here. Both have done wrong things and should be punished, this isnt a debate its a fact.
I dont know how many gaara has killed, that may be true but even that if i was to go back and look at his stats during the chunnin examim sure it tells of us alot more. You say we dont know many sasuke has killed, but apart from the samurai and danzo, name me others who sasuke has killed
If it wasnt for shukaku he wouldnt have done any of the bad things?, you making an excuse in gaara's favour no different to me saying if sasuke didnt find out the truth he wouldnt have done those things after all its after he found out the truth did he do all those things. You say he knows the truth and still chose to go down the wrong path?, the truth hurts and thats what impacted sasuke. How many jinchrucki's have done what gaara has done, to my knowledge no one, so why should gaara be excused. Im not defending sasuke, nor am i defending gaara because the fact that both deserve punhsimenet
lswhyte123
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You've been -repped.
I don't mind if you don't care but if you come to a thread and fail to debate and simply ignore others points of view and stick to yours without considering whats being stated, then you deserve it and shouldn't be commenting.
I will add a little about Gaara and explain why it's relevent.
1: Gaara had been treated as a monster throughout his life-he was shunned and made to fear/hate others even though he tried to be nice.
2: Gaara was lied to when he was young and had 6 assasination attemps made on him by his fathers orders and knew this. 7 Including Yashimaru.-He had reason to be twisted.
3: Shukaku: a haunting spirit forced and haunted Gaara into killing and deprived him from sleep and drove him crazy-add that to the lack of balance and social instability his regular life caused him and you have a mess of a person.
4: Gaara only found any company or meaning in his 'Mother'/Shukaku as everyone else shunned him.
5: Gaara only killed to stop the assassins or protect himself,which later became him killing anyone who threatened his existence and later became blood lust fueled by Shukaku,which all happened when he was 12 and under.
Despite all this,Gaara overcame his troubles before finding out the truth about his life.
So yes,Gaara having Shukaku made things harder for him. It's not debatable,it's true. Kishi made it so.
I am not excusing what Gaara has done but I am aware that he had more reason to act up than Sasuke and his factors were much more real than simple mental trauma. Gaara had 1/10th of the Jubi stuck inside him. Sasuke simply had nightmares about what happened.
You say the truth is what drove Sasuke crazy,well the truth wasn't needed for Gaara to try and make things right. He turned things around with Naruto's help and of his own choice. He later learnt the truth which made things better for him,but he was good b4 then.
Sasuke could have learnt the truth and done whatever he wanted but instead he chose to go on his revenge/killing spree. Sasuke didn't have a demon inside which tormented him and made him crazy from day 1,he had 13 years to decide what he wanted.
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Sasuke deserves a pardon, he told the Samurai not to attack and Danzo is guilty of heinous crimes and yes, he killed Zetsu clones, does that matter? No. Plus Naruto right now can convince the five Kage to do anything.
lswhyte123
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While I agree that Sasuke did tell the Samurai to not attack and warned them it doesn't change the fact that he killed them.
Danzo,was still a Kage.
A is Raikage and Sasuke attacked him.
Kakashi didn't attack Sasuke yet Sasuke tried to attack him.
Basically,Sasuke has done much more than just killing.
Say I knew that the Pentagon would shoot me or try to keep me out but I still broke in,even if I say " stay away from me or I'll attack" it won't change the fact that they are bound to attack me a protect the leaders/countries.
But thank you for sharing your opinion.
Gaara's better than Sasuke IMO. For two reasons-1. he was literally crazy, its like saying Jugo deserves death because he goes crazy and kills people, Shukaku was simply acting through him. Sasuke has enough presence of mind to know what he's doing
2. Gaara never betrayed Sunagakure after they tried to kill him many times. So when he turned good, it was acceptable.
3. Gaara turned good. he actually turned a new leaf, changed his ways and served the village that tried to kill him to cover their mistake of making him crazy.
But they both deserve mercy.
Guess thats true.While I agree that Sasuke did tell the Samurai to not attack and warned them it doesn't change the fact that he killed them.
Danzo,was still a Kage.
A is Raikage and Sasuke attacked him.
Kakashi didn't attack Sasuke yet Sasuke tried to attack him.
Basically,Sasuke has done much more than just killing.
Say I knew that the Pentagon would shoot me or try to keep me out but I still broke in,even if I say " stay away from me or I'll attack" it won't change the fact that they are bound to attack me a protect the leaders/countries.
But thank you for sharing your opinion.
lswhyte123
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Thanks. I know what you mean by they should both be shown mercy,but mercy and a pardon are two different things.
One takes compassion and doesn't punish needlessly or at least takes a softer punishment. The other lets it all go and allows the person to walk free.
Blaze: You actually Neg Repped me because I negged you with good reason. You're a child. I told you I would if you didn't bring a decent argument and you just *****footed about the place. Next time,actually use that little brain of yours to back what you say up. Even if what you say is total rubbish.
Sasuke is wanted by both the ninja and samurai so he is and international criminal who attempted to kill sakura and kakashi , Killed the Hokage elect Danzo attempted to capture and ultimately kill the lightning country's 8 tails host who is also the brother of there raikage . Killed Samurai Invaded a meeting between the 5 kages and the head samurai which was held in the samurai land in neutral territory attacked the 5 kages and there subordinates and killed some samurai. Sasuke cant come back if he does he will just be ultimately left to rot in a cell or killed for his actions against the land.
Gaara was being Manipulated by The shukaku ( 1 tailed beast ) And orochimaru disguised as his father who was then Kazekage the shukaku ate away at gaara and his village believed him to be a weapon , Gaara only really killed the sound ninja which turned out to be enemy ninja in the end lead by orochimaru He was Being used by both orochimaru and the shukaku to attack the leaf he only ever attacked sasuke sakura and naruto with the intent to kill. after that when all the dust was settled and orchimaru was found out to be the 1 manipulating everyone by posing as the kazekage ( GaAras Father ) They settled peace with the leaf to avoid a war and Gaara ultimately realised the era of his ways and became a good guy and later the Kazekage Gaara was given a chance by naruto and the leaf and he took it and turned his life around .
Sasuke on the other hand was settled on revenge basically his whole life and became jealous when Others Like Naruto got stronger and he stayed the same ( So he believed ) . When orochimaru cursed him The others protected him with there lives Later on Kakashi sealed the curse and the only way for the curse to activate was for sasuke him self to activate it he wanted power quickly and shortly after relied on the curse mark's power which would then lead to the rescue sasuke arc where he had yet another chance to come back to the leaf a good guy he refused greedily seeking more power which lead him to orochimaru know you may say orochimaru manipulated him and he did but it was revealed that sasuke in turn was also manipulating orochimaru into thinking that he ( < Sasuke ) Would give his body to ororchimaru when the time was right but instead just wanted to gain power his 3rd chance to leave orochimaru came when naruto sakura sai and Yammato Came to orochimarus hidden lair and begged sasuke to return he then refused and attacked them before leaving . After he gained all he could from orochimaru he then Betrayed orochimaru Killing / Sealing orochimaru inside of himself , He could of then return to the leaf but formed Taka / Hebi ( Whatever it was at that point ) he then achieved his reveneg by killing itachi all was right he was the hero at that point who had avenged the uchia clan instead of returning to the leaf he Joined / worked in association With and S rank Criminal Organisation the Akatsuki After that we all know what happened
In conclusion sasuke had many chances of returning but sought Greed reveneg and power .
It is honestly to late for sasuke to ever come back to the leaf and be a good guy doing missions with sakura naruto and kakashi just like the good old days At beast he will die a good guy death or forever be a rouge ninja
Gaara was being Manipulated by The shukaku ( 1 tailed beast ) And orochimaru disguised as his father who was then Kazekage the shukaku ate away at gaara and his village believed him to be a weapon , Gaara only really killed the sound ninja which turned out to be enemy ninja in the end lead by orochimaru He was Being used by both orochimaru and the shukaku to attack the leaf he only ever attacked sasuke sakura and naruto with the intent to kill. after that when all the dust was settled and orchimaru was found out to be the 1 manipulating everyone by posing as the kazekage ( GaAras Father ) They settled peace with the leaf to avoid a war and Gaara ultimately realised the era of his ways and became a good guy and later the Kazekage Gaara was given a chance by naruto and the leaf and he took it and turned his life around .
Sasuke on the other hand was settled on revenge basically his whole life and became jealous when Others Like Naruto got stronger and he stayed the same ( So he believed ) . When orochimaru cursed him The others protected him with there lives Later on Kakashi sealed the curse and the only way for the curse to activate was for sasuke him self to activate it he wanted power quickly and shortly after relied on the curse mark's power which would then lead to the rescue sasuke arc where he had yet another chance to come back to the leaf a good guy he refused greedily seeking more power which lead him to orochimaru know you may say orochimaru manipulated him and he did but it was revealed that sasuke in turn was also manipulating orochimaru into thinking that he ( < Sasuke ) Would give his body to ororchimaru when the time was right but instead just wanted to gain power his 3rd chance to leave orochimaru came when naruto sakura sai and Yammato Came to orochimarus hidden lair and begged sasuke to return he then refused and attacked them before leaving . After he gained all he could from orochimaru he then Betrayed orochimaru Killing / Sealing orochimaru inside of himself , He could of then return to the leaf but formed Taka / Hebi ( Whatever it was at that point ) he then achieved his reveneg by killing itachi all was right he was the hero at that point who had avenged the uchia clan instead of returning to the leaf he Joined / worked in association With and S rank Criminal Organisation the Akatsuki After that we all know what happened
In conclusion sasuke had many chances of returning but sought Greed reveneg and power .
It is honestly to late for sasuke to ever come back to the leaf and be a good guy doing missions with sakura naruto and kakashi just like the good old days At beast he will die a good guy death or forever be a rouge ninja
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What I don't like in this whole question is the fact that Gaara and Sasuke are portraited as the bad guys here... I mean, they are Ninjas, aka People trained to kill.... They are suposed to kill people, and not let emotions get in the way... Naruto and Jiraia are supposed to be the exception to the rule here, some of the few thet put emotions before their mission...
Gaara and Sasuke are exactly what a ninja is all about: cold assasins and nothing more... So, no, I don't think they have to be pardoned by other cold assasins that view killing as a job... U_U
I don't say what they do is right, I merelly say that the people who are supposed to judge them are the same, if not worse... U_U It's as Nagato called it: "A rotten ninja world"...
Gaara and Sasuke are exactly what a ninja is all about: cold assasins and nothing more... So, no, I don't think they have to be pardoned by other cold assasins that view killing as a job... U_U
I don't say what they do is right, I merelly say that the people who are supposed to judge them are the same, if not worse... U_U It's as Nagato called it: "A rotten ninja world"...
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lswhyte123
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Yeah,ninja kill.But They don't kill just because they want to or feel like it. They usually have missions which have goals. Killing needlessly is different. We are not talking about their jobs here,we are talking about what they did without good reason or cause. :sy: