Gaara vs Sasori

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Well...
Given the location Gaara can't get out of range and manga have shown that heavier forms of Sand weight down Gaara's sand.
Plus the fact that with the speed of Iron Sand projectiles they can pierce trought it.
Not even pointing the seemilingless infinte chakra from Sasori (duo to his Puppet body) vs the amount that a Shukakuless Gaara have...
Plus poison gás slips trought Any defense.
 

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because they force gaara to stay on defense & the gas will ghet thru as gaara must breathe

That's not a problem. He's perfectly able to stay on the offensive and defend at the same time. He showed the ability to do this even when he was a kid ( )
Even if its gas, i highly doubt it can get through a 'perfect defense'. And why can't Gaara just hold his breath, shrug off the puppets and move away from the poison?

Aw c'mon ur gonna claim that one guy who can fly

That's something that bugs me and i see other people claim all the time. Sasori can't fly but i see why so many people are lead into mistake (i won't go further since this isn't relevant for the subject at hand, just wanted to mention this).

, attack & defend

He can't attack and defend like Gaara can though. His defence isn't automatic or on the same scale either.
Hell, he doesn't even defended with IS once for us to judge. I assume he can raise walls of IS to protect himself, i mean why not? But i won't assume he's on the same level as Gaara and Rasa just because. That would be fallacious of me.

w/ heavier/stronger sand

If Iron Sand is heavier or not, at this point we both know that's irrelevant after Gaara's peformance against Rasa.

that is poisoned has less capability than the guy who does the same w/ with weaker sand

Rasa's Gold Dust was stronger as well on paper and we both know who ended up dominating.

lost his bijuu chakra

Something that didn't affect him at all since he remained with his own huge chakra pool. Rasa even mistook his attack for those of Shukaku ( ) the Bijuu he lost.

and is decades less experienced?

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. There're many examples where characters with less experience defeated more experienced ones.
That's a very subjective point.

there is only the concept
''Everything else'' doesn't exist

This got off topic...
By "everything else" i mean the source (one is Magnet Release the other is not), the weight (IS is heavier), the way each is employed by their respective users, etc...
 
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That's not a problem. He's perfectly able to stay on the offensive and defend at the same time. He showed the ability to do this even when he was a kid ( )
I disagree, kimimaro doesn't have the mobility & versatility of sasori
Even if its gas, i highly doubt it can get through a 'perfect defense'. And why can't Gaara just hold his breath, shrug off the puppets and move away from the poison?
Ok, well **** logic & objectivity then. Sasori can shrug off gaara & be untouchable too

That's something that bugs me and i see other people claim all the time. Sasori can't fly but i see why so many people are lead into mistake (i won't go further since this isn't relevant for the subject at hand, just wanted to mention this).
well you should reread sasoris showings he can fly in any form aside from Hiruko.

He can't attack and defend like Gaara can though. His defence isn't automatic or on the same scale either.
Hell, he doesn't even defended with IS once for us to judge. I assume he can raise walls of IS to protect himself, i mean why not? But i won't assume he's on the same level as Gaara and Rasa just because. That would be fallacious of me.
its not fallacious to U, you just making a staunch claim of incredulity to hide ur bias. your claims of differentiating their sand manipulations begs for absurdity.
ur saying gaara is better ''just becuz'' essentially


If Iron Sand is heavier or not, at this point we both know that's irrelevant after Gaara's peformance against Rasa.
Rasa's Gold Dust was stronger as well on paper and we both know who ended up dominating.
no, its not irrelevant when Gaara is fighting sasori in an unscripted, hypothetical match, unvarnished by subplot, character relevance & narrative.
Rasa isn't ITT, nor is he a flying, poisonous immortal w/ near 200 proxy bodies & the superior Jii'ton KKG

Something that didn't affect him at all since he remained with his own huge chakra pool. Rasa even mistook his attack for those of Shukaku ( ) the Bijuu he lost.
no, his chakra got weaker, that's how it affected him & he's no longer invulnerable w/ cloaks
he doesn't have more chakra than the bijuu, its not complicated.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. There're many examples where characters with less experience defeated more experienced ones.
That's a very subjective point.

as was your comment to which I replied.
let's not pretend that the entire versus forum exercise isn't ultimately subjective when the math ups of characters who never met on the same panels are decided upon, & given personal interpretation by readers.



This got off topic...
By "everything else" i mean the source (one is Magnet Release the other is not), the weight (IS is heavier), the way each is employed by their respective users, etc...

the way they are employed is the defining nature of the ''concept'' & is the exact same

''everything else'' (magnet release, weight, etc.) is just semantics. these are fantasy components of fictional conventions that aren't even fully explained in their own literature...
 

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Ok first off iron sand isn't stronger then gold dust because gold dust is heavier ......


Now getting tht out of the way gaara can defend and attack sasori at Same time easily because sand clogs puppets joints making them unable to move.... So yeah the 200 puppets r irrelevant

As for their attacks really none of these puppets possess the amount of strength or speed that a guillotine drop and Enton displayed... Which gaara blocked both attacks effectively no diff... Tht also cancels out sasori fire (sasori hasn't shown any attacks other then iron sand that can even be remotley on those attacks level)

Now sasori could have one with poison but due to gaara easily being able to make a Sand ball ai tight which he has in past tht is null and void and also why do ppl think gaara cannot make sand out of the stone (I'm assuming it's at Kage summit ) gaara makes sand by grinding up harder materials then the stone so he should be able to do it at an even faster rate due to it being a weaker material and make more as well.. (tht barely took 2 min while young he def will make it less time)
Now as for sasori having infinite chakra tht is invalid he doesn't.... He has infinite stamina due to having puppet body but it has never been implied or suggested tht he has infinite chakra and why would making ur body a doll give u infinite chakra if anything it would make ur chakra less as u r an inanimate object there for u cannot replenish it like a human body would

Also gaara being former jin has excellent chakra reserves as u have to have them to survive having demon put into u in first place and inn the war he was able to fight multiple days no breaks (yes it'd the war but tht was right after kage summit gaara had no significant battles prior summit so there's no reason to believe his stamina magically changed over night he always had them...)
Gaara. Kage summit takes sasori mid diff max there Is a reason deidara fought gaara and not sasori the guy is a perfect counter to puppet users

Also as for gaara chakra reserves gaara never used the demon chakra as he felt liike he couldn't control it... Even in the deidara fight he didn't use it the hands and scale of his attacks are the same as shukaku and was proven when his father said so.. also he isn't Natuto who had the demon always helping him gaara never used shukaku chakra except against Natuto back in part one ... In fact he needed a piece of his chakra to try to maintain/control the bijuu inside of him as does every jin which they dnt have access to their full reserves... Even back in part one gaara ran out of chakra against kimmimaru and couldn't do anything against the last attack when kimmi died did u see him get demon chakra no... Because he never used it
That is all
 
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Saying gaara's sand can defend against the Iron sands attack....

Sasori's sand is literally the same but stronger...
 

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Saying gaara's sand can defend against the Iron sands attack....

Sasori's sand is literally the same but stronger...

Bruh, is Iron Sand stronger than ?
 

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Really have to go with Gaara here
 

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I disagree, kimimaro doesn't have the mobility & versatility of sasori

Well, he certainly has better mobility, and yes, he's much less versatile, but that's not relevant for the points i'm trying to make.

Ok, well **** logic & objectivity then. Sasori can shrug off gaara & be untouchable too

Except his defence isn't automatic and his use of IS is overall inferior compared to Gaara's use of sand.

well you should reread sasoris showings he can fly in any form aside from Hiruko.

If this was relevant i'd ask for a link to clear this up. I could be forgetting something, but i'm positive i've never seen Sasori fly. I've read his fight like a dozen of times.

its not fallacious to U, you just making a staunch claim of incredulity to hide ur bias. your claims of differentiating their sand manipulations begs for absurdity.
ur saying gaara is better ''just becuz'' essentially

If i was biased towards any of these two it would be Sasori since he's in my top 6 favorite characters in Naruto while i just find Gaara ok... :|
If they do everything the same, then why didn't you mention that Gaara 'can' jam Sasori's puppets? That would certainly be a huge issue for Sasori.
I'm claiming Gaara is better because he is. It makes zero sense to me just to imagine Sasori as being superior using someone else's jutsu when Gaara is all about using sand and has proven himself multiple times.

no, its not irrelevant when Gaara is fighting sasori in an unscripted, hypothetical match, unvarnished by subplot, character relevance & narrative.
Rasa isn't ITT, nor is he a flying, poisonous immortal w/ near 200 proxy bodies & the superior Jii'ton KKG

That doesn't erase the moment when Gaara turned the tables against an apparently stronger opponent.
I brought Rasa up to make a point, which is Gaara + Sand > Sasori + IS. That's all.

no, his chakra got weaker, that's how it affected him & he's no longer invulnerable w/ cloaks
he doesn't have more chakra than the bijuu, its not complicated.

Against Kimimaro he was a Jinchuuriki and started to feel tired after a few 'big' moves. That's the only time he ever complained about chakra. He's so much weaker by the time of the Kage Summit that he can casually launch a Shukaku like attack and continue to fight on a high level for hours.
His Jinchuuriki cloak is different and weaker anyway, again, that's not much of a loss.

as was your comment to which I replied.
let's not pretend that the entire versus forum exercise isn't ultimately subjective when the math ups of characters who never met on the same panels are decided upon, & given personal interpretation by readers.

Of course, i never claimed otherwise. But since you quoted me i've naturally tried to explain my points.
 
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