Gaara VS Minato

[Haizaki]

You misunderstand. Minato is indeed faster than Gai's 8th gate, and still remains the fastest shinobi of all time. I mean after all he has the Hiraishin no Jutsu!! There's nothing faster than the transport speed of Hiraishin [faster than the speed of light U_U]

So in essence Minato did react to Gai's 8th gate speed. He was in and out with Madara's Godudama's before Gai [at max speed] could move in. And it's understandable since nothing is faster than Minato's Hiraishin no Jutsu U_U

Lol you can't be serious..So you ignored every single point I gave and started telling me this? Won't even bother.

 

[bluestone123]

When gaara was fighting the second mizukage clone during war arc he could barely catch up.
And minato is obviously faster than it.

 

[ATD]

What he's trying to say there is that wasn't Gai's full speed giving the fact that Gaara's sand was keeping up with Gai.

Here we see Gaara controlling it

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and here we see it keeping up with Gai's speed( the one Minato reacted to)

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You laughed at that didn't you? Lol..That's the same way I laugh at idiots who think Minato is faster than 8G Gai.

Oh wait I forgot Lol, You said Throwing Kunai can be faster than 8G Gai speed. Lol It's not even faster than 6G Lee's speed

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...So you really think Minato reacted to Gai's full speed? When Lee was following Gai's movements? When Gaara's sand was keeping up? BC.

thanks this sums it up, ofc i don't believe that gaaras sand is faster than 8 gate guy, but his sand defentley can react to minatos kunais, after all it was 6 gate lee who threw the kunai with his boosted power and strength.
Thanks for your support.

 

[ATD]

You misunderstand. Minato is indeed faster than Gai's 8th gate, and still remains the fastest shinobi of all time. I mean after all he has the Hiraishin no Jutsu!! There's nothing faster than the transport speed of Hiraishin [faster than the speed of light U_U]

So in essence Minato did react to Gai's 8th gate speed. He was in and out with Madara's Godudama's before Gai [at max speed] could move in. And it's understandable since nothing is faster than Minato's Hiraishin no Jutsu U_U

ofc the flying thunder god transpords instantly, but we talking about raw speed, where 8 gate guy overwhelms !
6 gate lee was the one who threw the kunai so fast because of his boosted strength and speed.
Even the 1 gate allows the user to multiply his strength and speed 5 times more, minato in base isn't able to throw kunais as fast as 8 gate guy moves.
Gaara will react to every single kunai of minato and minato won't bypass his sand defense.

 

[bluestone123]

Minato could summon ma and pa.
Go sage mode and throw his kunais with greater strength and at higher speed.

 

[Apêx1]

1). You only showed me scans that he prepared a sand at that size, which I refuted by leaving him at vulnerable state by Minato's speed. Him and Onoki were going to attack by surprise, so it's natural for him to mould Chakra for a sand of that scale. Huh? Quantity and quality are related to each other. You have an electric generator, if you absorbed a portion amount of it and used it as a power source for a desired need, the quality released it from it would be weak compared to the actual electrical generator itself. It's like electricity apartment and a power plant. Obviously Madara's Chakra would split in quantity, thus splitting in quality. Even if Gamabunta gets taken out, all Minato needs to do is dodge Gaara's sand until the latter tires himself. And if Gaara intents to use sand tsunami, Minato can use it a foot-step to jump at full speed to reach Gaara. It's not made to just regenerate; also tank hits > [

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] and a sword enhanced by SM on that matter.

2). You can see Gamabunta's full size is equivalent to Kurama's head in the scan.

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, as judged by the circling, 100% Kurama is 7x times bigger than 50% Kurama.

3). That's not the point. From the scans, you can see the mountains from perspective view, which implies the toads were jumping extremely high. Jumping high enough to be in range with Gaara, then Minato can take everything else. That's Jinchuuriki Gaara who has more power over his sand than Non-Jinchuuriki Gaara. As the scan posted, Gaara without Shukaku could not catch Joki Boy. He'll need sometime to cover something as big as Gamabunta, and before that progresses further, Bunta overpowers his coffin physically.

But how will he be in a vulnerable speed when I've already established that Gaara is airborne? Minato cannot do anything to an airborne Gaara; fact. No, it's a complete assumption. Gaara created the sand of that scale with no implication or indication of prep, so he can without prep unless you can prove otherwise. Based on what are quantity and quality related to each other? Chakra potency was never implied to be chakra concentration. Chakra potency is merely the strength of the chakra you possess, nothing implies chakra comes in small cells as do blood cells or tiny charged particles. Naruto can sustain his KCM cloak as a clone and people can still notice the fact that his chakra as the Kyuubi's chakra, whereas if it was split 20 times the potency should be so low that one cannot distinguish the potency of the chakra from a normal shinobi's. Nothing whatsoever implies they are in linked in one way or another, if anything, the manga implies the cones you make only lose quantity but can still utilise everything the original user with full chakra can utilise to its fullest extent, bar the chakra quantity requirements. So no, Madara only lost quantity whereas nothing implies he lost quality of chakra. No, that's not a possibility. Gaara in a desert will fight for much longer than a Minato whose FTG Kunai's are getting crushed one by one, till he can no longer Hirashin. And don't tell me he shunshin's out of all the sand based attacks, as sand drizzle is made to counter such things, alone with attacking omnidirectionally. And excuse me?.. How will Minato run on the Sand Tsunami? Not a chance in hell, you yourself must know how ludicrous that sounds, Minato cannot run on the Sand Tsunami which is consistently moving unporpotionally, hence he will easily lose his balance, especially since Gaara is the one controlling the sand. Once Minato attempts this, he gets smashed by the Sand that is above him since it is not a straight wall, but rather a 70 degree wall which would squash Minato like a bug. And yes, it can tank hits, but there's a difference between intending to tank it and getting your hand ripped off. Bunta has SM? Since when, he possibly has Senjutsu, but nothing implies he has SM like Shima and Fukasaku do.

2. No.. Bunta that was on the Kyuubi was a 100% Kyuubi, it's just an inconsistency with the drawings of Kishi. Bunta was about 100% Kurama's size there, and has shrunk since then by Kishimotto's own drawings, but that was in fact a 100% Kyuubi, not a 50% one.

3. Again.. I know what the scans showed, an it is impressive to jump so high. Doesn't change the fact that the only thing that has been implied to be different for non-jin Gaara is the amount of sand he uses, not the readiness, the range, or the strength of his sand, simply the amount. Where you came to the conclusion that these restrictions would all apply to non-Jin Gaara when I've showed you non-Jin Gaara's feats, and all you could say is that they required prep without support for those points, is beyond me. If Bunta is summoned, he won't jump the second he's summoned, Minato has to tell him to jump, then Bunta has to jump, and actually reach a high altitude. That's never happening due to the fact that Gaara can engulf Bunta's limbs with sand with utmost ease, and then proceed to crush them. Gaara's sand is extensively faster than Bunta as well, as his jumping speed is featless in the NV world, thus he catches him mid-air in the odd occasion that Bunta does somehow make it airborne.

 

[Gold Lightning]

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Evening Elephant: This technique is a continuous assault of five punches, with each "foot" (足, soku) — as they are referred to — being performed faster than the one before.

Don't care what anyone says, manga disagrees with all your opinions. That was guys fastest speed during evening elephant.

 

[Haizaki]

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?? That's striking speed not movement speed. Learn the difference Lol. Till you guys have an explanation to why:

Gaara's speed was keeping up with his speed

Lee could follow his movements and throw a Kunai in front of him

Then I'll acknowledge Minato be faster.

 

[Gold Lightning]

?? That's striking speed not movement speed. Learn the difference Lol. Till you guys have an explanation to why:

Gaara's speed was keeping up with his speed

Lee could follow his movements and throw a Kunai in front of him

Then I'll acknowledge Minato be faster.

Highlight where it says striking speed in the manga or shut up. I find it funny that Madara couldn't react to any of the previous hits, yet you think the final hit was slowed down.

Striking speed depends on his movement speed. The faster he's charging, the faster his strike. What's also funny is that you say striking speed, yet minato teleported in and out before Gai could even move his fist. Or how minato told him to keep going no matter what, so he didn't slow down at all.

As for Lee and Gaara, that's just one of kishi's many inconsistencies. I can name many, unless you actually think kishi puts 100% thought into what he's writing. Fact is Madara couldn't get out of the way or block any one of the assaults because Guy was moving too fast.

 

[Apêx1]

Highlight where it says striking speed in the manga or shut up. I find it funny that Madara couldn't react to any of the previous hits, yet you think the final hit was slowed down.

Striking speed depends on his movement speed. The faster he's charging, the faster his strike. What's also funny is that you say striking speed, yet minato teleported in and out before Gai could even move his fist. Or how minato told him to keep going no matter what, so he didn't slow down at all.

As for Lee and Gaara, that's just one of kishi's many inconsistencies. I can name many, unless you actually think kishi puts 100% thought into what he's writing. Fact is Madara couldn't get out of the way or block any one of the assaults because Guy was moving too fast.

But even if it's an inconsistency, it still implies that Gai wasn't going full speed because of what happened. You acknowledging this being inconsistency is you acknowledging Gai not having gone at full speed since the difference in altitude (distance) [

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] is far greater than the difference in distance between Gai and the Gudo Dama, which are moving towards each other [

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], thus, Gai wasn't going at full speed.

 

[Haizaki]

Highlight where it says striking speed in the manga or shut up. I find it funny that Madara couldn't react to any of the previous hits, yet you think the final hit was slowed down.

Striking speed depends on his movement speed. The faster he's charging, the faster his strike. What's also funny is that you say striking speed, yet minato teleported in and out before Gai could even move his fist. Or how minato told him to keep going no matter what, so he didn't slow down at all.

As for Lee and Gaara, that's just one of kishi's many inconsistencies. I can name many, unless you actually think kishi puts 100% thought into what he's writing. Fact is Madara couldn't get out of the way or block any one of the assaults because Guy was moving too fast.

You tell me to shut up despite not knowing what you're saying? Lol you yourself even know there are inconsistencies which is funny.

I don't have to highlight anything for you. Gai punched once and tried to punch again but then he stopped. When he stopped, Lee then made the speed 1-5 statement implying that the attack is meant to faster itself. Which means the fact that Gai stopped the second punch midway implies his striking speed usually should be faster than the previous.

 

[ARGUS]

How can people be this retarded??

Using an example where even rock lee could follow guys movements clearly means that guy was nearly stationary doesnt mean that it's anywhere near his top speed and where gaaras sand was able to follow it despite it being too slow to catch joki boy clearly means that this example is not valid in an whatsoever

By this dumb logic I could say that konohamarus speed if faster than RSM narutos because the latter was just sitting down

8th gate guys striking speed and reflexes take a dump on any minato, deal with it

 

[Minator93]

Lol you can't be serious..So you ignored every single point I gave and started telling me this? Won't even bother.

Whatever you think you gave is essentially shit since you think Garra defeats Minato. Good thing for all Garra supporters that I don't have much time otherwise I'd shit on all of you with ease.

And yeah no need to bother, I cba to care for someone's opinion who can't even win a debate between Minato vs Kisame (when given Minato Lol)

 

[Minator93]

ofc the flying thunder god transpords instantly, but we talking about raw speed, where 8 gate guy overwhelms !
6 gate lee was the one who threw the kunai so fast because of his boosted strength and speed.
Even the 1 gate allows the user to multiply his strength and speed 5 times more, minato in base isn't able to throw kunais as fast as 8 gate guy moves.
Gaara will react to every single kunai of minato and minato won't bypass his sand defense.

I can prove that Minato's throwing speed is far greater than Lee's 6th gate speed, heck I even have VIZ pages for support. So be careful what you post about U_U

 

[Haizaki]

Whatever you think you gave is essentially shit since you think Garra defeats Minato. Good thing for all Garra supporters that I don't have much time otherwise I'd shit on all of you with ease.

And yeah no need to bother, I cba to care for someone's opinion who can't even win a debate between Minato vs Kisame (when given Minato Lol)

You're too silly for my liking.

-The debate isn't over

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I know you're illiterate so I'll explain. When a Judge hasn't judged it, it means it's not over.. Ok? How embarrassing.

-I never said Gaara beats Minato..Learn to read..Oh I forgot you're illiterate. I corrected the Scenario between Gaara, 8G Gai and Minato. Please read before you embarrass yourself ok? I'm far better than you when debating with Minato( even though he's not my favorite) against other opponents as I don't wank him to the extent where I'm clueless about the other opponent's abilities.

 

[KidGamer65]

You're too silly for my liking.

-The debate isn't over

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I know you're illiterate so I'll explain. When a Judge hasn't judged it, it means it's not over.. Ok? How embarrassing.

-I never said Gaara beats Minato..Learn to read..Oh I forgot you're illiterate. I corrected the Scenario between Gaara, 8G Gai and Minato. Please read before you embarrass yourself ok? I'm far better than you when debating with Minato( even though he's not my favorite) against other opponents as I don't wank him to the extent where I'm clueless about the other opponent's abilities.

Lol, you're far better than this clown period.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol, you're far better than this clown period.

Lol he's just talking crap as usual.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Seriously tho.
What's stopping food cart destroyer?

 

[ATD]

I can prove that Minato's throwing speed is far greater than Lee's 6th gate speed, heck I even have VIZ pages for support. So be careful what you post about U_U

show me your proof and convince me

 

[Minator93]

You're too silly for my liking.

-The debate isn't over

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I know you're illiterate so I'll explain. When a Judge hasn't judged it, it means it's not over.. Ok? How embarrassing.

-I never said Gaara beats Minato..Learn to read..Oh I forgot you're illiterate. I corrected the Scenario between Gaara, 8G Gai and Minato. Please read before you embarrass yourself ok? I'm far better than you when debating with Minato( even though he's not my favorite) against other opponents as I don't wank him to the extent where I'm clueless about the other opponent's abilities.

Biitch Please.

I couldn't care less about your shitty debate the fact is that you need more than 1 post to win in itself explains your shitty level.

Dunno what you corrected because all I saw was shit. Gai being faster than Minato? I mean really Gai is now faster that Hiraishin's instant transportation speed when we saw Minato getting in and taking out the Godudama even when Gai was moving in with max speed? What an ass you are to claim Gai being faster than Minato Lol

You're far beneath the shit stuck to my shoes. Minato isn't even my top fav but I can debate at a far higher level than you ever could. And the fact that you think there are shit load of opponents that beat Minato in itself explains your knowledge of the character, because there are actually very very few people that beat Minato.

Lol, you're far better than this clown period.

You still ass hurt Lol Good good.

Lol he's just talking crap as usual.

Get Lost.