Gaara VS Minato

[Forbidden Technique]

Knowing where you threw your Kunai's and knowing when they are being crushed are two completely different things. Ay was capable of knowing all their locations as well, it's nothing special. Again, transferring chakra to people=/=transferring chakra to sand that will remain there. Minato could only do it through Naruto, either way, they have never shown the capability to instil chakra into sand, so this point is completely fallacious.

Why wouldn't he? If he can, then he will, and he definitely can. So because Gaara has never used 3rd eye with Sand Tsunami, he can't? That's the equivalent of me saying Minato cannot use Food Cart Destroyer on Shinobi because he hasn't shown to do so. Last I checked, VS battles aren't restricted by IC. Otherwise, all your points are moot because none of them are within Minato's norm. Double standard.

Yea, I forgot about that. You can clearly see the bottom left panel, the exclamation mark is a clear indication of realisation. Don't see what the he is teleporting to imo, specify. Don't see how Minato bypasses Auto Defence without FTG mark, which isn't even viable in the first plce against an airborne Gaara with Sand Armor that can be dropped and replaced anytime. You didn't elaborate on S/T barrier, are you claiming Minato can S/T barrier the entire Sand Tsunami? Based on what? The sand Tsunami's AOE is far larger than any attack he's ever teleported, by far. Don't forget that Sand Drizzle is occurring, which you failed to address every time. Minato cannot utilise S/T Barrier since it requires him to be still, which would be his demise in this match-up due to sand drizzle.

That is not what I said... It's not about sight at all. Minato has to be able to know each and every location he can FTG to (most likely by sensing) without visibly seeing a Kunai or tag. He couldn't visibly see the tag he planted on Obito 10+ years ago, nor did he even know that was Obito; yet Minato discerned that location of where he can teleport and FTG'd to Obito. So if one get's crushed, Minato will know despite if he see's it or not. Fallacios when doton users (Even non doton users like Ino-Shika-Cho) can pass chakra through earth and manipulate it? Same thing with suiton as well. There is no difference here with Minato using his chakra transfer into inanimated sand.

Never opted into using both at once in the manga.. .Yeah, why wouldn't he? What would be his reason to in this case, is what I'm asking... since he never felt he had to do it before. Keep in mind Gaaras techniques all seem to require hand gestures and I don't believe Gaara can hold a huge tsunami wave with just one hand while the other is being occupied by maintaining the 3rd eye. Whenever Gaara uses a huge amount of sand, it requires both his hands to be free [

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]. Unless if it's his guard sand, he needs his hands to do practically all the manipulating, I believe.

Lol... so hearing Jiraiya yell out the jutsu name and realising something is going to happen before anything even appeared somehow implies Gaara will avoid this. Not quite sure what you're asking me with the bold; the food cart destroyer will teleport Minato and Gamabunta on top of Gaara or near him. Not sure if that answered your question. Regardless if it lands or not, Minato and Gamabunta would proceed to slaughter Gaara at this point... Toad Oil, Gamabuntas sword (sliced the Ichibis arm off), rasengan, etc. With the S/T barrier, I was implying Minato can simply open a hole through the sand tsunami... but I forgot Gaara is able to utilize sand tsunami, sand drizzle, and his third eye all the while cooking breakfast and doing his homework. Simultaneously, btw. What do I need to address here with sand drizzle...? Assuming Gaara can/does use both the sand tsunami and sand drizzle in tandem; the food cart destroyer tactic allows Minato to avoid them both at once and hard counters airborne Gaara.

 

[Apêx1]

It clearly not. That sand was barely bigger than those small rock cliffs, and Bunta is a Bijuu-sized. And also, he needed to prepare a lot of Chakra on that sand size, because they planned on taking the Edo Kages by a surprise attack. Even though, Mu sensed it and Minato is a sensor. It had no way of catching Bunta. He only held the bottom bit of the meteor, not the actual whole of it. And again, he needed to prepare his Chakra for that sand, and there is no preparation in here for 2 reasons: One, he's facing a giant opponent. Two, he's facing a teleportor and fastest Shinobi. Those slashes were used by clones, which are split of the user's power. His sand and Onoki's Golem got demolished in

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. Bijuu are far more durable than that. Lol, Minato's worthy Chakra levels are this:

-Teleported 100% Kurama's TBB. (They are the size of the Hokage's faces on mountains)
-Teleported 100% Kurama (which Bunta is only 1/4 of its size).
-Teleported Juubi's massive TBB. (Inb4 Edo Tensei gives unlimited Chakra - it doesn't)

He clearly has the reserves to summon 2 or 3 of them. Are you serious? The toads were fighting Pain's summons on air.[

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]. Gaara's sand which could not catch Mizukage's oil clone nor without prep is wrapping, catching the toads at all.

I've shown multiple scans of his Sand, it's far larger then Bunta, especially in the Meteorite scenario. Based on what was he moulding chakra the entire time? And the sand was far larger than the rock cliffs, seeing how the lower potion of the sand tsunami was already higher than them [

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]. And even then, I don't see why we are debating this. Gaara easily has more than enough sand to destroy Bunta's limbs, easily. Yes, the clones have a lower chakra amount than the original user. That changes nothing though, since Susano is based on the potency and strength of your chakra rather than the quantity of it. The size they were at was more than enough to far outdo Bunta in terms of damage, since their chakra potency is constant. And facing a teleporter and Bunta isn't that significant, since Minato cannot do anything to Gaara without Bunta while airborne, so he can concentrate on attacking Bunta. That's a false analogy. Shukaku's body isn't made to be extremely durable, it's made to be able to regenerate whenever he pleases due to its sand composition, hence losing a limb isn't going to have an effect on him. More so, the scan of the golem/sand being destroyed is a completely different type of attack. He thrusts his sword, thus a much less force is required to break through since he's hitting a smaller surface area.

Kurama is in no way larger than Bunta by 4 times [

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]. The rest I agree on, doesn't mean he can win since Gaara has already stated that it is an effortless task for him to use the sand in a desert.

How does defeating three speed-wise featless summons imply they have a fast jump? I don't see how, Gaara's sand has been shown to be as fast as Deidara [

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], Bunta doesn't even compare to him. Either way, Bunta easily gets crushed by the likes of something Gaara could do in the Chunin exams [

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], albeit on a larger scale. He will have no difficulty in doing this, seeing how none of the Kage's bar Mu, who is an excellent sensor, could dodge an attack from under ground [

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]. If Gaara does that, while doing an attack from above like Sand Drizzle, Bunta is surely to die as he cannot combat omnidirectional attacks with a speed that doesn't begin to compare to Deidara.

 

[Apêx1]

That's only if it came from one direction. If it were to surround Minato or Bunta, either one would get warped away. Don't question the speed.

Cloak? Yes. But what about Tobirama? He didn't merge his chakra with Minato. He didn't tag the entire SA. All he did was use Minato's chakra as a medium. I never claimed tag is the medium. All I said that everything in contact with the sand is vulnerable, including the third party, Gaara. Why? Because you know why after 5 responses.

This is the same exact argument as "can Totsuka seal Earth" or "Can Sharingan genjutsu one if looked in the mirror". You're just neglecting that fact. At times manga follows logic, at times not. Saying "omg this makes him 2 op kaaant be truuu" is just ignorance at it's worst. The sand will prove to be a downfall to Gaara. Whether you accept that fact or not is up to you.

Pfft, my job is done then.

What are you talking about? Show scans of Minato being capable of using an omnidirectional S/T barrier or stop debating this altogether. Gaara attacking from below is in no way warped, that makes no sense.

He used Minato's chakra as a medium, which is directly connected with Naruto's, which is directly connected with all the people with cloaks, so once again, moot point. After 5 responses, the only thing I know about is a moot point which holds 0 merit due to it's idiocy.

Concession accepted. The emphasis of will is probably the strongest part of that shitty argument, not that it holds any merit either.

Funny facts;
-You failed to address why Minato needed so many FTG Kunai's.
-You failed to address how Bunta is useful when he gets crushed.
-You failed to give any argument as to why FTG Kunai's hold chakra apart from "because I want it to".
-You failed to address how the sand is usable as a medium for his teleportation if none of his chakra is on it, since I have already shown that seals do not posses chakra.

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He hops around to the mark, so in essence, it's a check point he can teleport to, but he cannot teleport to everything that is in indirect contact with the Kunai, that's pure fan-fic which holds no merit since Minato has shown to throw 23 FTG kunai's. Debate this further and you'll just keep increasing in level of displayed incompetence grammar wise and canon wise.

 

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Minato can summon Shima and have her summon the rest of the Boss Toads to preserve his own chakra.​

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What's stopping food cart destroyer? Minato did it to kurama who was on the other side of the leaf village.

 

[ATD]

Dafuq is this shit? It needed Juubi Jins to overcome Minato's speed and attack-reflexes!! Garra needs to become Juubi Jinchuriki if he wants to defeat Minato. Honestly never knew Minato was this much underrated.

OT: Minato negs. There's no way Garra is surviving Hiraishin Kunai spread + Hiraishin Level 2 spam. I mean Ei's max speed got shat on Neg diff. Garra moves at snail's speed compared to Ei. Heck Minato won't even need to go in himslef, his shadow clone will solo whilst he sips his Earl Grey in the Hokage Office U_U

I'm aware of gaaras slow movements, but his sand showed to very fast

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his sand can react to kunais.
Gaara is also able to use sand clones
In desert it is an even match, minato won't win easily, gaaras sand skin protected him against kimmimarus v2 bones, i don't see minato hurting him with kunai slashes.
He will need rasengan, but gaaras sand is everywhere, i don't know who will win, but neither of them negs.

 

[Rιver]

What are you talking about? Show scans of Minato being capable of using an omnidirectional S/T barrier or stop debating this altogether. Gaara attacking from below is in no way warped, that makes no sense.

He used Minato's chakra as a medium, which is directly connected with Naruto's, which is directly connected with all the people with cloaks, so once again, moot point. After 5 responses, the only thing I know about is a moot point which holds 0 merit due to it's idiocy.

Concession accepted. The emphasis of will is probably the strongest part of that shitty argument, not that it holds any merit either.

Funny facts;
-You failed to address why Minato needed so many FTG Kunai's.
-You failed to address how Bunta is useful when he gets crushed.
-You failed to give any argument as to why FTG Kunai's hold chakra apart from "because I want it to".
-You failed to address how the sand is usable as a medium for his teleportation if none of his chakra is on it, since I have already shown that seals do not posses chakra.

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He hops around to the mark, so in essence, it's a check point he can teleport to, but he cannot teleport to everything that is in indirect contact with the Kunai, that's pure fan-fic which holds no merit since Minato has shown to throw 23 FTG kunai's. Debate this further and you'll just keep increasing in level of displayed incompetence grammar wise and canon wise.

What? I said that either Bunta or Minato gets warped away before the attack lands. Minato is a sensor and sees the attack coming. I don't know where on earth you got this from.

Dude, you're really not making sense. That's exactly what I have been spouting these last 5 responses. Tobirama used not his, but Minato's chakra as a medium to. With a tag. Contradiction much?

If you don't understand even now, what Minato said is that he requires skin or chakra (own) contact to warp others. But Tobirama used Minato's chakra, which is not his, to teleport others or at them. You just contradicted yourself very, very bad.

That alone would end the discussion. Boom.

 

[Minator93]

I'm aware of gaaras slow movements, but his sand showed to very fast

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his sand can react to kunais.
Gaara is also able to use sand clones
In desert it is an even match, minato won't win easily, gaaras sand skin protected him against kimmimarus v2 bones, i don't see minato hurting him with kunai slashes.
He will need rasengan, but gaaras sand is everywhere, i don't know who will win, but neither of them negs.

Lel Kunai throwing speed can be greater than Gai's 8th gate speed. Sand ain't reacting to shit Lol

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Minato negs this Kid U_U

 

[ATD]

Lel Kunai throwing speed can be greater than Gai's 8th gate speed. Sand ain't reacting to shit Lol

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Minato negs this Kid U_U

Gaaras sand is also an 8 gates speed if you mean this scan

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[Rιver]

Gaaras sand is also an 8 gates speed if you mean this scan

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Pretty sure Gaara was already there before Gai.

 

[Apêx1]

What? I said that either Bunta or Minato gets warped away before the attack lands. Minato is a sensor and sees the attack coming. I don't know where on earth you got this from.

Dude, you're really not making sense. That's exactly what I have been spouting these last 5 responses. Tobirama used not his, but Minato's chakra as a medium to. With a tag. Contradiction much?

If you don't understand even now, what Minato said is that he requires skin or chakra (own) contact to warp others. But Tobirama used Minato's chakra, which is not his, to teleport others or at them. You just contradicted yourself very, very bad.

That alone would end the discussion. Boom.

Not my fault the grammar you use is made in order to look correct but is completely wrong.

When did he teleport without making contact with Minato? I don't recall this, but if you are talking about when he teleported when Minato teleported the SA, it is likely Minato teleported first, and Tobirama followed. [

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]. Here he teleported to Sasuke's/Juugo's Kyuubi cloak through Minato [

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]. If you are talking about something else, than post scan or stop perpetuating this fallacy.

No contradiction here. Don't see how that implies he can teleport to a kunai that's on sand which is connected magnetically, at all. Nor have you addressed why Minato throws 30 FTG kunai's rather than one, which can put your entire fan-fic in the dumpster.

 

[Minator93]

Gaaras sand is also an 8 gates speed if you mean this scan

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:leaf: did this guy just say that Garra's sand speed is 8th gate Gai Speed?

Someone please sig this :leaf:

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Garra admitting his inferiority.

 

[Rιver]

Not my fault the grammar you use is made in order to look correct but is completely wrong.

When did he teleport without making contact with Minato? I don't recall this, but if you are talking about when he teleported when Minato teleported the SA, it is likely Minato teleported first, and Tobirama followed. [

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]. Here he teleported to Sasuke's/Juugo's Kyuubi cloak through Minato [

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]. If you are talking about something else, than post scan or stop perpetuating this fallacy.

No contradiction here. Don't see how that implies he can teleport to a kunai that's on sand which is connected magnetically, at all. Nor have you addressed why Minato throws 30 FTG kunai's rather than one, which can put your entire fan-fic in the dumpster.

My grammar? Okay.

No, that's wrong wrong. Here he used the connection between Minato's and Naruto's chakra

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. Here he was warping in front of SA ninja's

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. Who not even one, he had not marked.

Because Minato addressed that the medium has to be chakra based. Whether it is chakra or air based doesn't matter. Also, I didn't say he used magnetism as medium. I said he uses the contact between sand as a medium. Similar to water. But just on dryer scale this time.

 

[Apêx1]

My grammar? Okay.

No, that's wrong wrong. Here he used the connection between Minato's and Naruto's chakra

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. Here he was warping in front of SA ninja's

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. Who not even one, he had not marked.

Because Minato addressed that the medium has to be chakra based. Whether it is chakra or air based doesn't matter. Also, I didn't say he used magnetism as medium. I said he uses the contact between sand as a medium. Similar to water. But just on dryer scale this time.

Last I checked that example has people with Kyuubi cloaks, as you yourself stated, thus he's not using the marking, but his own physical contact with Minato, whose chakra is linked to Naruto's. Either way, it's probably just another misconception since you fail to realise that elaboration is the way to go when trying to explain fan-fics. Don't see what you are trying to say, at all.

Yes, that's the controversial fan fic. He can't do it because it's not directly linked to him. There's legitimately no link at all. Unless the sand is completely drenched with chakra, he cannot do what you claim, and good thing for me, his magnetism converts chakra, hence sand without any additives cannot do anything to link Minato with the FTG kunai. You took it far out of proportion, as it is merely a fan-fic with no support for it. Minato can't put a single FTG kunai in the ocean and teleport anywhere he wants without the ocean itself being comprised of chakra. How hard is that for you to understand?

 

[Bogard]

Minato is faster than Gaara's sand. Gaara already admitted it can't keep up with Madara's attacks [

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] when Minato stated it's no problem for him. You can even notice it didn't even got the time to protect Gaara in time against Madara's counter attack [

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Minato on the other side could in, take and out of the black spheres [

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], so not only he could outright outspeed his defensive shield and blitz Gaara from in an out but Gaara's sand is never catching him. Desert or not isn't going to make any difference. Summoning isn't needed

 

[Benjamin King]

I've shown multiple scans of his Sand, it's far larger then Bunta, especially in the Meteorite scenario. Based on what was he moulding chakra the entire time? And the sand was far larger than the rock cliffs, seeing how the lower potion of the sand tsunami was already higher than them [

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]. And even then, I don't see why we are debating this. Gaara easily has more than enough sand to destroy Bunta's limbs, easily. Yes, the clones have a lower chakra amount than the original user. That changes nothing though, since Susano is based on the potency and strength of your chakra rather than the quantity of it. The size they were at was more than enough to far outdo Bunta in terms of damage, since their chakra potency is constant. And facing a teleporter and Bunta isn't that significant, since Minato cannot do anything to Gaara without Bunta while airborne, so he can concentrate on attacking Bunta. That's a false analogy. Shukaku's body isn't made to be extremely durable, it's made to be able to regenerate whenever he pleases due to its sand composition, hence losing a limb isn't going to have an effect on him. More so, the scan of the golem/sand being destroyed is a completely different type of attack. He thrusts his sword, thus a much less force is required to break through since he's hitting a smaller surface area.

Kurama is in no way larger than Bunta by 4 times [

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]. The rest I agree on, doesn't mean he can win since Gaara has already stated that it is an effortless task for him to use the sand in a desert.

How does defeating three speed-wise featless summons imply they have a fast jump? I don't see how, Gaara's sand has been shown to be as fast as Deidara [

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], Bunta doesn't even compare to him. Either way, Bunta easily gets crushed by the likes of something Gaara could do in the Chunin exams [

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], albeit on a larger scale. He will have no difficulty in doing this, seeing how none of the Kage's bar Mu, who is an excellent sensor, could dodge an attack from under ground [

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]. If Gaara does that, while doing an attack from above like Sand Drizzle, Bunta is surely to die as he cannot combat omnidirectional attacks with a speed that doesn't begin to compare to Deidara.

1). You only showed me scans that he prepared a sand at that size, which I refuted by leaving him at vulnerable state by Minato's speed. Him and Onoki were going to attack by surprise, so it's natural for him to mould Chakra for a sand of that scale. Huh? Quantity and quality are related to each other. You have an electric generator, if you absorbed a portion amount of it and used it as a power source for a desired need, the quality released it from it would be weak compared to the actual electrical generator itself. It's like electricity apartment and a power plant. Obviously Madara's Chakra would split in quantity, thus splitting in quality. Even if Gamabunta gets taken out, all Minato needs to do is dodge Gaara's sand until the latter tires himself. And if Gaara intents to use sand tsunami, Minato can use it a foot-step to jump at full speed to reach Gaara. It's not made to just regenerate; also tank hits > [

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] and a sword enhanced by SM on that matter.

2). You can see Gamabunta's full size is equivalent to Kurama's head in the scan.

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, as judged by the circling, 100% Kurama is 7x times bigger than 50% Kurama.

3). That's not the point. From the scans, you can see the mountains from perspective view, which implies the toads were jumping extremely high. Jumping high enough to be in range with Gaara, then Minato can take everything else. That's Jinchuuriki Gaara who has more power over his sand than Non-Jinchuuriki Gaara. As the scan posted, Gaara without Shukaku could not catch Joki Boy. He'll need sometime to cover something as big as Gamabunta, and before that progresses further, Bunta overpowers his coffin physically.

 

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Gaara shits giving the location.

 

[Haizaki]

:leaf: did this guy just say that Garra's sand speed is 8th gate Gai Speed?

Someone please sig this :leaf:

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Garra admitting his inferiority.

What he's trying to say there is that wasn't Gai's full speed giving the fact that Gaara's sand was keeping up with Gai.

Here we see Gaara controlling it

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and here we see it keeping up with Gai's speed( the one Minato reacted to)

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You laughed at that didn't you? Lol..That's the same way I laugh at idiots who think Minato is faster than 8G Gai.

Oh wait I forgot Lol, You said Throwing Kunai can be faster than 8G Gai speed. Lol It's not even faster than 6G Lee's speed

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...So you really think Minato reacted to Gai's full speed? When Lee was following Gai's movements? When Gaara's sand was keeping up? BC.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Minato low diff. Garra has to infuse chakra in his sand. This leaves him open to Minato's chakra transfer technique with a mere touch. After that, Minato can teleport anywhere near any of Garra's sand or Garra himself. This can easily be used to breach Garra's defenses. Minato is Garra's worst nightmare. Widespread chakra controlled sand is a weakness against Minato.


Edit: Even if you doubt the above method, Minato can just as easily make a ton of clones, and use them as the points for FTG. Garra's certainly not one-shotting Minato before he has the chance to do this. Let's not forget Flash dance step 3. Going by revolution, he can teleport anywhere inside of the kunai areas. (and this makes perfect sense honestly) There's no way Garra's winning this.

 

[Minator93]

What he's trying to say there is that wasn't Gai's full speed giving the fact that Gaara's sand was keeping up with Gai.

Here we see Gaara controlling it

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and here we see it keeping up with Gai's speed( the one Minato reacted to)

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You laughed at that didn't you? Lol..That's the same way I laugh at idiots who think Minato is faster than 8G Gai.

Oh wait I forgot Lol, You said Throwing Kunai can be faster than 8G Gai speed. Lol It's not even faster than 6G Lee's speed

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...So you really think Minato reacted to Gai's full speed? When Lee was following Gai's movements? When Gaara's sand was keeping up? BC.

You misunderstand. Minato is indeed faster than Gai's 8th gate, and still remains the fastest shinobi of all time. I mean after all he has the Hiraishin no Jutsu!! There's nothing faster than the transport speed of Hiraishin [faster than the speed of light U_U]

So in essence Minato did react to Gai's 8th gate speed. He was in and out with Madara's Godudama's before Gai [at max speed] could move in. And it's understandable since nothing is faster than Minato's Hiraishin no Jutsu U_U