Gaara VS Minato

[Forbidden Technique]

Gaara has the ability to sense through his sand, he easily locates the FTG kunai's on the sand. As I said before, he can do it individually while he's attacking Minato, there is no way in hell someone who cannot sense decently has the ability to discern Gaara's sand crushing FTG kunai's 1 by 1. Sand Drizzle makes this even harder, since Minato won't realise that Gaara is intending to destroy the FTG kunai's with it, but rather assume it as a distraction (since it can restrict Minato's body if he doesn't Hirashin away). And no, he cannot. Minato has never shown the ability to let his chakra seep through objects, nor is their any hypothetical reason to believe it can overpower Gaara's own chakra.

How wouldn't Minato discern his FTG Kunai's being crushed...? He has to be able to somehow know which location every one of his Kunai's are, as well as which one he wants to teleport to. Otherwise, you'd be telling me he guesses each time he uses FTG. He clearly can discern where every one them are at, thus should know if one get's crushed. Minato possesses the ability to transfer chakra [

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Gaara can still sense him, and Gaara can still utilise the 3rd eye for vision, so he still does have perfect understanding of what is transpiring. Since when can Minato sense in that way? Last I checked he could only sense Kyuubi's chakra, which the whole of Team Taka could without being sensors, and sense how many enemies there were by putting his finger on the ground. Don't see how that will allow him to sense someone airborne. So no, he isn't doing anything of the sort. low-Jounin level shinobi have reacted to its execution, Gaara does so easily [

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]. The shunshin argument is not benefiting you. If Minato attempts to Shunshin out of the Tsunami wave, all the FTG kunai's will be crushed, and Minato can do nothing about that, especially since Sand Drizzle is occurring. If it ends up catching Minato after his shunshin is halted, he'll have no where to teleport to since all the FTG kunai's are right beside him.

Yeah, if we assume that Gaara will spread his sensory sand around the whole terrain beforehand; even so, he wouldn't know what Minato is doing since he can't sense the seals or chakra build up. Gaara has never used his 3rd eye in tandem with a sand tsunami, and has no real reason as why he would act out of the norm and do so here.

Minato can sense...

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I don't see any jounin reacting to food cart destroyer in that scan.. but regardless, this'll instantly teleport Minato around Gaara's vicinity. Even if it doesn't hit Gaara (still don't see why it wouldn't) it'll allow Minato to strike him and put him down for the count with various means. The shunshin argument is insignificant at this point. You forgot to address the S/T barrier though.

 

[DrProof]

Gaara can sense as well. Remember Gaara vs Deidara fight, what Diedara said to Gaara.

 

[Benjamin King]

Rock Lee was dodging Gaara's sand without any effort. Mizukage's oil Bunshin was doing the same. Minato is hundred times faster than the both, so the sand will never catch him. And with the support of his toads, Gaara has multiple opponents to deal with. While he is distracted, Minato blitzes him.

 

[Unorthodox]

Rock Lee was dodging Gaara's sand without any effort. Mizukage's oil Bunshin was doing the same. Minato is hundred times faster than the both, so the sand will never catch him. And with the support of his toads, Gaara has multiple opponents to deal with. While he is distracted, Minato blitzes him.

this fool said rocklee isnt that part 1 gaara at his weakest? the mizukage thing was rendering Gaaras sand useless with its oil water combo incase you forgot or your selective reading kicked in as usual.

All those example are useless since Minato is standing in Gaara's Playground the sand box he literally turns the hole desert into quicksand

 

[Draegod]

Minato high-difficulty, only because it's in a desert. Gaara has no way of hurting Minato... FTG gets him out of literally every sand bind possible. Furthermore, Food Cart Destroyer wreaks havoc.

Minato beating Gaara in the desert??????????????????????????? Are you serious??????????

 

[super yang]

lol at ''tagging the magic sand''

Gaara wins because minato is just as 1-dimensional as he is, bt the matchup favors defense more than offense

 

[Apêx1]

How wouldn't Minato discern his FTG Kunai's being crushed...? He has to be able to somehow know which location every one of his Kunai's are, as well as which one he wants to teleport to. Otherwise, you'd be telling me he guesses each time he uses FTG. He clearly can discern where every one them are at, thus should know if one get's crushed. Minato possesses the ability to transfer chakra [

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]. And no, it doesn't involve seals because Kurama stated that Naruto, who doesn't use seals, was using the same method as Minato used while transfering chakra [

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]. So, again, I don't see why Minato can't simply transfer chakra into some of the desert sand in order to utilize his FTG.



Yeah, if we assume that Gaara will spread his sensory sand around the whole terrain beforehand; even so, he wouldn't know what Minato is doing since he can't sense the seals or chakra build up. Gaara has never used his 3rd eye in tandem with a sand tsunami, and has no real reason as why he would act out of the norm and do so here.

Minato can sense...

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I don't see any jounin reacting to food cart destroyer in that scan.. but regardless, this'll instantly teleport Minato around Gaara's vicinity. Even if it doesn't hit Gaara (still don't see why it wouldn't) it'll allow Minato to strike him and put him down for the count with various means. The shunshin argument is insignificant at this point. You forgot to address the S/T barrier though.

Knowing where you threw your Kunai's and knowing when they are being crushed are two completely different things. Ay was capable of knowing all their locations as well, it's nothing special. Again, transferring chakra to people=/=transferring chakra to sand that will remain there. Minato could only do it through Naruto, either way, they have never shown the capability to instil chakra into sand, so this point is completely fallacious.

Why wouldn't he? If he can, then he will, and he definitely can. So because Gaara has never used 3rd eye with Sand Tsunami, he can't? That's the equivalent of me saying Minato cannot use Food Cart Destroyer on Shinobi because he hasn't shown to do so. Last I checked, VS battles aren't restricted by IC. Otherwise, all your points are moot because none of them are within Minato's norm. Double standard.

Yea, I forgot about that. You can clearly see the bottom left panel, the exclamation mark is a clear indication of realisation. Don't see what the he is teleporting to imo, specify. Don't see how Minato bypasses Auto Defence without FTG mark, which isn't even viable in the first plce against an airborne Gaara with Sand Armor that can be dropped and replaced anytime. You didn't elaborate on S/T barrier, are you claiming Minato can S/T barrier the entire Sand Tsunami? Based on what? The sand Tsunami's AOE is far larger than any attack he's ever teleported, by far. Don't forget that Sand Drizzle is occurring, which you failed to address every time. Minato cannot utilise S/T Barrier since it requires him to be still, which would be his demise in this match-up due to sand drizzle.

 

[Minato namikaze123]

i guess in a desert and 100m away...
minato won't be able to speed blitz him..
if its 50m then he neggs him..
but 100m only if minato can throw it with timing..

 

[Brother Numpsay]

the mizukage thing was rendering Gaaras sand useless with its oil water combo incase you forgot or your selective reading kicked in as usual.

I dont care who wins this fight but you statement is retarded if you don't think Bunta can replicate the same thing. There is nothing that is stopping Bunta to produce Oil, then launching it by adding it with Suiton: Teppōdama

 

[Apêx1]

I dont care who wins this fight but you statement is retarded if you don't think Bunta can replicate the same thing. There is nothing that is stopping Bunta to produce Oil, then launching it by adding it with Suiton: Teppōdama

Apart from the fact that Gaara can crush Bunta before he does anything, not much.

 

[Rιver]

If Minato tags the sand Gaara can move the sand to an area that is most advantageous to him. (Possibly mix the tag to the bottom of the sand)

No, when he tags the sand not the area is tagged but the whole sand. Why? Because the sand is linked by chakra. And anything that is linked by chakra directly (or possibly even indirectly) can be warped away or warped at. So the whole sand is turned Minato's weapon.

Apart from the fact that Gaara can crush Bunta before he does anything, not much.

Because he can't render the incoming sand useless by oiling + watering it. It doesn't even require handseals.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Apart from the fact that Gaara can crush Bunta before he does anything, not much.

Again I am not here to argue this match up. I address a single point that had nothing to do to how this character beats this character. Nor am I interesting in these arguments that "this character is going to do this before he/she does this".

 

[Apêx1]

No, when he tags the sand not the area is tagged but the whole sand. Why? Because the sand is linked by chakra. And anything that is linked by chakra directly (or possibly even indirectly) can be warped away or warped at. So the whole sand is turned Minato's weapon.



Because he can't render the incoming sand useless by oiling + watering it. It doesn't even require handseals.

Incorrect. Minato can only teleport to things that have a direct link with his chakra, as every time it was done, this was the case.
-Grabbed Naruto [

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-Kyuubi Naruto's cloaks were directly linked with Naruto [

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-Shadow clones are obviously linked with the user, since they relay information and return chakra to the user once disposed of.

Saying he can do it with any medium is like saying Tobirama can do it through his Suiton, when him and his Suiton have no permanent link.

Because Gaara can't start the fight with Sand Drizzle, which can't be countered by the conventional oil Bunta uses. Because Gaara can't launch massive amounts of Sand from beneath the ground [

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[Rιver]

Incorrect. Minato can only teleport to things that have a direct link with his chakra, as every time it was done, this was the case.
-Grabbed Naruto [

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-Kyuubi Naruto's cloaks were directly linked with Naruto [

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] since he could control them [

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-Shadow clones are obviously linked with the user, since they relay information and return chakra to the user once disposed of.

Saying he can do it with any medium is like saying Tobirama can do it through his Suiton, when him and his Suiton have no permanent link.

Because Gaara can't start the fight with Sand Drizzle, which can't be countered by the conventional oil Bunta uses. Because Gaara can't launch massive amounts of Sand from beneath the ground [

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Uh, you misinterpret me. Minato never said it had to be human to be linked. It was something that was connected to Minato directly by touch or his chakra (in this case, the tag). The sand is entirely linked by magnetic chakra, Jiton, and thus the tag can be used in various of ways.

Yeah, you just contradicted yourself in that scan. Naruto used his chakra as a medium to teleport both Sasuke and Minato with Minato's FTG. Using logic:

Naruto's chakra = Sand (Medium

Sasuke = Gaara (Third Party)

Minato = User

Pretty sure Bunta can jump and use his oil to destroy the sand. Sand drizzle is warped with barrier.

 

[Apêx1]

Uh, you misinterpret me. Minato never said it had to be human to be linked. It was something that was connected to Minato directly by touch or his chakra (in this case, the tag). The sand is entirely linked by magnetic chakra, Jiton, and thus the tag can be used in various of ways.

Yeah, you just contradicted yourself in that scan. Naruto used his chakra as a medium to teleport both Sasuke and Minato with Minato's FTG. Using logic:

Naruto's chakra = Sand (Medium

Sasuke = Gaara (Third Party)

Minato = User

Pretty sure Bunta can jump and use his oil to destroy the sand. Sand drizzle is warped with barrier.

Wait, let me get this straight before I go on. You are saying because the Sand is magnetically linked, Minato can use it however he wants if his chakra is connected to it? Wrong. Chakra is converted into magnetism thus his chakra is linked with sand that no longer carries chakra after it is converted. So he can initially teleport throughout it, but after that, he no longer can due to the fact it no longer holds any chakra.
Based on this VIZ;

Its one of the third Kazekage's original jutsu... Adapted from one used by the former host of Shukaku.
It can mold Magnetic Sand into any shape... Forming the perfect weapon for every situation.

The Third KazeKage... was graced with a special physical constitution that allowed him to convert his chakra into magnetic forces.

No contradiction, your point was simply misconstrued.

No, Lol. Bunta gets crushed long before he can jump, as I showed with the attacks that can come from the bottom (which he isn't fast enough to evade). If Minato uses S/T Barrier, they are still vulnerable to attacks from beneath them, so the only thing Minato can do this entire match-up is teleport around until his Kunai's cease to exist.

 

[Rιver]

Wait, let me get this straight before I go on. You are saying because the Sand is magnetically linked, Minato can use it however he wants if his chakra is connected to it? Wrong. Chakra is converted into magnetism thus his chakra is linked with sand that no longer carries chakra after it is converted. So he can initially teleport throughout it, but after that, he no longer can due to the fact it no longer holds any chakra.
Based on this VIZ;


No contradiction, your point was simply misconstrued.

No, Lol. Bunta gets crushed long before he can jump, as I showed with the attacks that can come from the bottom (which he isn't fast enough to evade). If Minato uses S/T Barrier, they are still vulnerable to attacks from beneath them, so the only thing Minato can do this entire match-up is teleport around until his Kunai's cease to exist.

Again, you misinterpret me again. The chakra linkage was just one way. There's countless of others. Only if the sand are joint and touching each other, even then he can use it. If there's chakra linking them, he can still use it. Even if a speck of water is in between he can still manage.

Why? Many evidences. Focus on what Minato said:

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''It only works on something (in this case, anything) that I or my chakra is touching someway''. He should have added though, that in that someway includes if a medium like Naruto and or/and his chakra is touching Sasuke.

Therefore, the chakra from Minato is the tag. The medium is the sand. And if possibly Gaara comes in contact with the sand, he is a victim for a blitz.

Once he's trapped Bunta can loosen the bind by using oil and water in conjunction. As I said, the sand is not a problem that can't be solved.

 

[Apêx1]

Again, you misinterpret me again. The chakra linkage was just one way. There's countless of others. Only if the sand are joint and touching each other, even then he can use it. If there's chakra linking them, he can still use it. Even if a speck of water is in between he can still manage.

Why? Many evidences. Focus on what Minato said:

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''It only works on something (in this case, anything) that I or my chakra is touching someway''. He should have added though, that in that someway includes if a medium like Naruto and or/and his chakra is touching Sasuke.

Therefore, the chakra from Minato is the tag. The medium is the sand. And if possibly Gaara comes in contact with the sand, he is a victim for a blitz.

Once he's trapped Bunta can loosen the bind by using oil and water in conjunction. As I said, the sand is not a problem that can't be solved.

That's the most fallacious thing I've ever read. You have no proof Minato can do such a thing, i already showed you that all occurences include Minato being in direct contact with someone, or his chakra being directly linked, not indirectly. This would imply contact would have to be directly linked as well, otherwise Minato can put a single FTG kunai on the face of the earth an teleport anywhere he wants since essentially, it will be connected to bedrock which will connect it to virtually endless places. Yea, no. I am going off what was shown and not a statement you interpreted in the way you wanted to, since some way could imply he simply isn't specifying how, rather than leaving the options open. No limits fallacy..

Minato's tags don't contain chakra, they are created with chakra but are pure inscriptions with no chakra contained within them, as seals aren't absorbable in the manga, otherwise Preta and Samehada would've both absorbed Naruto's Kyuubi seal.
So no, therefor, Minato has no chakra on the sand, the medium isn't the sand because it's not a direct link, and if Gaara goes ground level, he is untouched by Minato.

Since he's trapped, his limbs are immediately crushed. He won't be spitting oil out while he's being crushed, he'll be screaming in agony and half asleep due to the pain similar to how he was after Deva broke his bones. So no, what you initially said was completely fallacious and holds no merit.

 

[Rιver]

That's the most fallacious thing I've ever read. You have no proof Minato can do such a thing, i already showed you that all occurences include Minato being in direct contact with someone, or his chakra being directly linked, not indirectly. This would imply contact would have to be directly linked as well, otherwise Minato can put a single FTG kunai on the face of the earth an teleport anywhere he wants since essentially, it will be connected to bedrock which will connect it to virtually endless places. Yea, no. I am going off what was shown and not a statement you interpreted in the way you wanted to, since some way could imply he simply isn't specifying how, rather than leaving the options open. No limits fallacy..

Minato's tags don't contain chakra, they are created with chakra but are pure inscriptions with no chakra contained within them, as seals aren't absorbable in the manga, otherwise Preta and Samehada would've both absorbed Naruto's Kyuubi seal.
So no, therefor, Minato has no chakra on the sand, the medium isn't the sand because it's not a direct link, and if Gaara goes ground level, he is untouched by Minato.

Since he's trapped, his limbs are immediately crushed. He won't be spitting oil out while he's being crushed, he'll be screaming in agony and half asleep due to the pain similar to how he was after Deva broke his bones. So no, what you initially said was completely fallacious and holds no merit.

Because Minato can't choose what to warp and what not. Explain the other reason as to why Obito wasn't warped with Sasuke and Naruto, despite having skin contact? Exactly. Same applies to this bedrock argument you've put here. Minato can choose to warp a speck of dust or an entire island depending on his reserves.

What are you talking about? Yes, it is. Here, Minato warped an entire alliance by using Naruto as a medium with his tag

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. Not only that, but Tobirama used Minato as well to teleport SA. The tag can be used to make a medium.

Immediately? No, Gaara needs the magic word. Before that, Minato has already warped him away or Bunta has used oil to loosen the bind a bit and jumped off.

 

[Apêx1]

Because Minato can't choose what to warp and what not. Explain the other reason as to why Obito wasn't warped with Sasuke and Naruto, despite having skin contact? Exactly. Same applies to this bedrock argument you've put here. Minato can choose to warp a speck of dust or an entire island depending on his reserves.

What are you talking about? Yes, it is. Here, Minato warped an entire alliance by using Naruto as a medium with his tag

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. Not only that, but Tobirama used Minato as well to teleport SA. The tag can be used to make a medium.

Immediately? No, Gaara needs the magic word. Before that, Minato has already warped him away or Bunta has used oil to loosen the bind a bit and jumped off.

No, Minato's S/T barrier only warps what enters within it. If he's warping an attack from in front of him, he can't simultaneously warp an attack from behind him, that's not how it works. Same applies for attacks from beneath and above him.

This is laughable and you completely miscomprehended my points. I am saying if Minato were to put an FTG kunai on the ground, he can virtually travel anywhere in the world since its connected to bedrock which would be connected to rater fall places. That's like saying if Minato has a Kunai in the battlefield, he can teleport anywhere there with the floor being connected, but that's completely illogical since he throws about 23 kunai's per fight, all of which are close to each other. Hence, it is logical to assume that he can only teleport to the kunai's and not what they are linked to. I'm sure Minato would put so many Kunai's next to each other if he only needed one [

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What? The tag doesn't contain chakra, that was my point. If you are talking about the indirect link, my point still stands. Minato used Naruto's cloak as a medium to use Hirashin, Naruto's cloak is directly linked to everything with a cloak as I already proved in my initial post to you. Naruto controls it=Naruto is directly linked with it. The FTG kunai isn't directly linked with Minato, nor does it contain chakra to be capable of such, end of story.

Incorrect, if he starts the fight with Sand drizzle, Bunta's only thing to do in order to counter it is to jump away, however, I have already shown you the Gaara can create sand from beneath the ground, hence if he jumps away, the sand is still stuck to his ass and he gets crushed since it moves much faster than slowpoke Bunta.

 

[Benjamin King]

this fool said rocklee isnt that part 1 gaara at his weakest? the mizukage thing was rendering Gaaras sand useless with its oil water combo incase you forgot or your selective reading kicked in as usual.

All those example are useless since Minato is standing in Gaara's Playground the sand box he literally turns the hole desert into quicksand

The Mizukage's oil Bunshin was dodging it by speed alone -

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I hope people realize that Gaara has a specific range of control over the desert, and range will approx be mid at most. He's not going to have full control over the whole landscape. He gets blitzed, plain and simple.