[VS] Gaara vs Kakuzu

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I am sure Kakuzu's domu could accomplish the same feat as Kimimaro's bone masks to prevent him from getting crushed and he has raiton to get through sand.

I would say its high diff either way. Most likely Gaara if he has a way to get through Domu.

sinking him in ground

 

[A Zealot]

Gaara mid diff at most. How does Kakuzu deal with the pressure, he can't harden bones like Kimi?

Earth grudge harden seems to only be negged by lighting water and wind hearts solo the sand

 

[KCN]

Hearts get destroyed with ease. Once Gaara changes the battlefield he can use techniques like

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to easily trap the hearts. As

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, the Futon mask is the only one capable of gliding or pseudo flight; the ones caught get sand coffined and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

[Zexion~]

Hearts get destroyed with ease. Once Gaara changes the battlefield he can use techniques like

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to easily trap the hearts.

They are made entirely of threads...losing a few at the feet region won't hinder anything :lol

As

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, the Futon mask is the only one capable of gliding or pseudo flight; the ones caught get sand coffined and there's nothing they can do about it.

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I really don't understand how you could think this was just mere jumping .-.

 

[KCN]

They are made entirely of threads...losing a few at the feet region won't hinder anything :lol

That wasn't my point. Once they're restrained from below, Gaara can

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, killing them with sand coffin.

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I really don't understand how you could think this was just mere jumping .-.[/QUOTE]

What's this supposed to prove? That's like me showing you

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and saying Ay can fly. Not once were the hearts shown to have a sustained, constant flying motion which leaves your proposition as conjecture at best. Besides, if they really can fly there should be mention of it in the databook description, no?

 

[Zexion~]

That wasn't my point. Once they're restrained from below, Gaara can

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, killing them with sand coffin.





What's this supposed to prove? That's like me showing you

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and saying Ay can fly. Not once were the hearts shown to have a sustained, constant flying motion which leaves your proposition as conjecture at best. Besides, if they really can fly there should be mention of it in the databook description, no?

ARE YOU SERIOUS they take off, the page before and you can see them changing course (you don't curve in a jump) and then sustaining if not getting higher in the bottom panel? With no sign of coming down?

You linked a scan of Ay jumping in a linear motion and hitting Naruto? That is totally different.

Look at where the wind heart is IMMEDIATELY after it casts the jutsu

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unless you think its got super speed then it obviously flew up and then flew back down :lol

Why would it mention flight in the databook? There really isn't anything on the masked creatures themselves.

 

[super yang]

2 of them, wind & fire, can fly & can aalso let kakuzu ''hang-glide'' when he brings them back into his body, similar to Cs2 sasuke

 

[KCN]

ARE YOU SERIOUS they take off, the page before and you can see them changing course (you don't curve in a jump) and then sustaining if not getting higher in the bottom panel? With no sign of coming down?

You linked a scan of Ay jumping in a linear motion and hitting Naruto? That is totally different.

Like I said, that could be gliding; their lack of panel time after that point means you cannot prove they were flying. They could of simply glided.

Look at where the wind heart is IMMEDIATELY after it casts the jutsu

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unless you think its got super speed then it obviously flew up and then flew back down :lol

You're reaching bro, lol. First of all, the mask appeared directly above Hidan [

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] meaning it wasn't that high in the first place. Then, there's the panel after that in which the mask isn't seen [

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] so that's plenty of time to make a simply landing; definitely not enough to prove it was flying though...

Why would it mention flight in the databook? There really isn't anything on the masked creatures themselves.

That's fair enough.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

ARE YOU SERIOUS they take off, the page before and you can see them changing course (you don't curve in a jump) and then sustaining if not getting higher in the bottom panel? With no sign of coming down?

You linked a scan of Ay jumping in a linear motion and hitting Naruto? That is totally different.

Look at where the wind heart is IMMEDIATELY after it casts the jutsu

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unless you think its got super speed then it obviously flew up and then flew back down :lol

Why would it mention flight in the databook? There really isn't anything on the masked creatures themselves.

Just gonna hit the bold, the heart never traversed a big distance Zex. I don't see why you'd assume that it's flight speed would be significantly greater then its foot, but that's for another time.

We see Kakashi here in the very bottom left panel, with tree bark from the collapsed tree in front of him, and Kakuzu still in the crater that Chouji formed [

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].

Next we see Hidan throw Kakashi back a bit, but the tree he was standing on, or what was left of it, was just recently moved off of. Then the heart uses the fuuton. Not a big distance covered there, bud [

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].

Two pages later we get the first glimpse of Kakuzu and his hearts after the attack, from different perspectives. [

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-

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]. Bottom panel, you can see Kakuzu is still where he was. Basically, the mask didn't travel a great distance, it really didn't go that far at all. No reason to think it'd need to be super speedy to do what it did, on foot.

 

[Zexion~]

Like I said, that could be gliding; their lack of panel time after that point means you cannot prove they were flying. They could of simply glided.



You're reaching bro, lol. First of all, the mask appeared directly above Hidan [

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] meaning it wasn't that high in the first place. Then, there's the panel after that in which the mask isn't seen [

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] so that's plenty of time to make a simply landing; definitely not enough to prove it was flying though...



That's fair enough.

Gliding is fine enough to dispatch enemies, since they're jutsu is so large they don't really need to fly. Hence why I say they can glide/fly but they don't just jump.

Just gonna hit the bold, the heart never traversed a big distance Zex. I don't see why you'd assume that it's flight speed would be significantly greater then its foot, but that's for another time.

We see Kakashi here in the very bottom left panel, with tree bark from the collapsed tree in front of him, and Kakuzu still in the crater that Chouji formed [

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].

Next we see Hidan throw Kakashi back a bit, but the tree he was standing on, or what was left of it, was just recently moved off of. Then the heart uses the fuuton. Not a big distance covered there, bud [

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].

Two pages later we get the first glimpse of Kakuzu and his hearts after the attack, from different perspectives. [

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-

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]. Bottom panel, you can see Kakuzu is still where he was. Basically, the mask didn't travel a great distance, it really didn't go that far at all. No reason to think it'd need to be super speedy to do what it did, on foot.

Because the hearts were slow enough to be caught by chouji...on foot. And if the wind was pushing back Ino-Shika- Cho who would be in the same direction (around it) that he'd need to be going, flight is the better option as flight can counter the wind (birds can still fly against heavy wind currents) hence why that one can fly the fastest as it has wings. Idk why you put in so much effort for one point though.

 

[Beans2]

Yup, already stated he has high durability, but he is at the end of the day a human with a human skin, and not superman.



He can't tank them in base.. After Naruto destroyed the Raiton armor, Raikage had visible scratches on his skin. Meaning he was damaged a bit.

Tsunade doesn't have a hard skin, and despite that she didn't receive any serious wounds. But i'm already aware of them being more durable than Tsunade as far as the toughness of their skin goes. Yes a kunai will Stab tsunade, Heavenly transfer technique will not stab tsunade.. similarly a Kunai will make the Raikage bleed.




Oh they cut him pretty serious alright, the dude would've been bleeding were it his actual body. Only issue was that hes an edo tensei, so all his cuts simply regenerate.

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After the Rasenshuriken, his body again was messed up, but saved due to that Raiton armor, and of course since hes edo tensei he shrugs it off after 5-10 seconds:

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Then you are claiming hes superman.. anyone who can tank a Kunai in base with bare skin.. is too OP and would've been the strongest Kage of his time.. oh but wait that was Hiruzen. So again bro.. He does not have Superman skin. Even his son has only been able to do it with his Armor on. But then again, you are basing it off of the fact that they said his body was like steel, yea?

There is a huge difference between blunt force and piercing attack. You might be able to tank a sledgehammer to your body.. but you ain't tanking no knife.

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[KCN]

Gliding is fine enough to dispatch enemies, since they're jutsu is so large they don't really need to fly. Hence why I say they can glide/fly but they don't just jump.

And how can any of this be used against Gaara? I've already proven on ground that they're stumped, and gliding will make them a massive target for

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, which can not only knock them down but sneak ground attacks can be initiated as the bottom panel shows.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Gliding is fine enough to dispatch enemies, since they're jutsu is so large they don't really need to fly. Hence why I say they can glide/fly but they don't just jump.



Because the hearts were slow enough to be caught by chouji...on foot. And if the wind was pushing back Ino-Shika- Cho who would be in the same direction (around it) that he'd need to be going, flight is the better option as flight can counter the wind (birds can still fly against heavy wind currents) hence why that one can fly the fastest as it has wings. Idk why you put in so much effort for one point though.

I mean, there's still nothing to support the idea that it was flying, It was a short distance regardless that wouldn't give it any decent speed feat, certainly not in the context of this thread when Gaara's the opponent.

 

[Zexion~]

And how can any of this be used against Gaara? I've already proven on ground that they're stumped, and gliding will make them a massive target for

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, which can not only knock them down but sneak ground attacks can be initiated as the bottom panel shows.

Because regardless that shows that they can get quite high as they have shown. Realize that they jump off the ground fast as ****, so gliding means they have to come down for what...a second? Then use the momentum to jump quickly and continue gliding. Sand Shower is iffy as the target is so small ( the mask) everything else is just threads. All of them can just avoid it by going to the side

As you can see that jutsu didn't even touch anyone......

I mean, there's still nothing to support the idea that it was flying, It was a short distance regardless that wouldn't give it any decent speed feat, certainly not in the context of this thread when Gaara's the opponent.

Well I mean catching pre-cog Kakashi is a nice speed feat :lol Hidan's attack was halted when he was caught by it.

 

[KCN]

Because regardless that shows that they can get quite high as they have shown. Realize that they jump off the ground fast as ****, so gliding means they have to come down for what...a second? Then use the momentum to jump quickly and continue gliding. Sand Shower is iffy as the target is so small ( the mask) everything else is just threads. All of them can just avoid it by going to the side

As you can see that jutsu didn't even touch anyone......



Well I mean catching pre-cog Kakashi is a nice speed feat :lol Hidan's attack was halted when he was caught by it.

What's your point here? Okay, they can glide, and then what?? And what're you even saying? Suna arare would hit them without issues. If the masks are airborne as you're suggesting, that gives them less time to react as the jutsu initiates and falls directly above them, spanning an AoE great enough to limit their movement. And look at the scan again; Gaara's father was protecting Gengetsu while the 3rd Raikage was dodging them. You cannot generalise the latter to Kakuzu's masks, as Sandaime's reactions and movement speed take a giant crap on Kakuzu's masks. Not debatable there.

 

[Zexion~]

What's your point here? Okay, they can glide, and then what?? And what're you even saying? Suna arare would hit them without issues. If the masks are airborne as you're suggesting, that gives them less time to react as the jutsu initiates and falls directly above them, spanning an AoE great enough to limit their movement. And look at the scan again; Gaara's father was protecting Gengetsu while the 3rd Raikage was dodging them. You cannot generalise the latter to Kakuzu's masks, as Sandaime's reactions and movement speed take a giant crap on Kakuzu's masks. Not debatable there.

Bruh gliding lasts a good amount of time, and they can continue going up above the AoE if they wanted to as we've seen them get high.. Or Kakuzu's fuuton un-forms the sand that then spawns the bullets of sand. Again...if the sand doesn't touch the masks its not doing shit to Kakuzu. They don't have to dodge shit they just have to keep the masks in a position where they wont get hit, which may even be facing down. Or they quickly go back and merge with Kakuzu which they've shown to do quickly. Which protects them totally, and then he releases them right back into the air.

Gengetsu was barely protected .-. But ok :lol

 

[KCN]

Bruh gliding lasts a good amount of time, and they can continue going up above the AoE if they wanted to as we've seen them get high.. Or Kakuzu's fuuton un-forms the sand that then spawns the bullets of sand. Again...if the sand doesn't touch the masks its not doing shit to Kakuzu. They don't have to dodge shit they just have to keep the masks in a position where they wont get hit, which may even be facing down. Or they quickly go back and merge with Kakuzu which they've shown to do quickly. Which protects them totally, and then he releases them right back into the air.

Gengetsu was barely protected .-. But ok :lol

1) They're not making it back to Kakuzu if they're already in the air and the jutsu's already formed. They're not dodging something which spans such a large AoE, and especially not considering they have no reaction feats to support this.

2) Flying above the AoE would mean they'd have to dodge the already constant hale while making it out of there. Again, do you have reaction feats to support the masks could do this? And when their airtime is over, they're just gonna fall back into the hale which is just basically setting themselves up...

3) Kakuzu's Fuuton would protect it, sure, but the others aren't exactly safe. They can be hit too since Gaara can perform this jutsu encompassing an entire battlefield and regardless of Atsugai's AoE, Gaara's is always going to be larger because of this.

Barely? He was entirely protected. Look at the scan, he's directly under Gaara's fathers shield.

 

[Zexion~]

1) They're not making it back to Kakuzu if they're already in the air and the jutsu's already formed. They're not dodging something which spans such a large AoE, and especially not considering they have no reaction feats to support this.

Yes they can.... zooming down is faster then going up, the jutsu is going to take some time to hit them, the first drop isn't going to do it again do you realize the target they have to hit? The threads tank it. So they can make it, and if they are already in the air they go above...it would be nice if you linked the chapter so I could see more, because its too late to go looking for it.

2) Flying above the AoE would mean they'd have to dodge the already constant hale while making it out of there. Again, do you have reaction feats to support the masks could do this? And when their airtime is over, they're just gonna fall back into the hale which is just basically setting themselves up...

No....when Gaara sends sand in the air Kakuzu isn't going to take the chance, he'll have them blitz the **** up there, and the Raiton and Fuuton masks can clear they're own paths.

3) Kakuzu's Fuuton would protect it, sure, but the others aren't exactly safe. They can be hit too since Gaara can perform this jutsu encompassing an entire battlefield and regardless of Atsugai's AoE, Gaara's is always going to be larger because of this.

If fuuton mask (which is fastest) takes the lead and fires upwards the others will merely be hit with what Shikamaru and Chouji were....they'd be fine. It doesn't matter its whole AoE the fuuton would crush the sand causing the shower of bullets to fall in the place that would hit the masks, so they'd be safe. Seeing as suiton is here in this battle that would work as well.

Barely? He was entirely protected. Look at the scan, he's directly under Gaara's fathers shield.

Stuff falling from the sky tends to move more diagonal then straight down ..

 

[KingHashirama]

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Point out what I said wrong in the post.. or accept you were making an idiotic argument.


Your claim : He can take a kunai with bare skin

My counter : you have no proof, and most of his "invincible" defense is due to his armor, and on top of that hes already been harmed many times.

You claimed : He was barely cut by temari

My counter: showed you the manga scan where he had deep cuts

Not the one supporting fan-fiction here mate.

 

[Conspirator.]

Gaara wins with no more than mid difficulty.