Gaara wins with this distance. It's obvious. I can't make any argument that favours my boy Ay here. If gaara takes flight, he can make huge AoE attacks without being worried about Ay catching him.
Sand below the feet. Sand tsunami... Ay would be overwhelmed.
Gaara wins with this distance. It's obvious. I can't make any argument that favours my boy Ay here. If gaara takes flight, he can make huge AoE attacks without being worried about Ay catching him.
Sand below the feet. Sand tsunami... Ay would be overwhelmed.
Another dumb post. Kimimaro was evading all of Gaaras faster gourd sand, but was getting hit all day with Gaaras slower AoE sand. Read the manga and know what you're saying before posting garbage in every thread you open.
Kimimaro was caught with Gaaras gourd sand beneath him because he underestimated him.
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Afterwards the sand didn't catch him until he lost focus giving that speech about how he loves Orochimaru.
He wasn't fast enough to get out the tsunamis range. Why? I'll use your own logic against you. Kimimaro was sick, and minutes away from his death. His body was literally shutting down from his disease therefore he couldn't move and react as fast as he would normally. Pretty sure this is one of the points you bring up about Itachi, now lets see if you'll uphold your view on it but I doubt you will.
Regardless of all that, Kimimaro is not Ay. Their reflexes and speeds are not comparable by a long shot. Gaara can't see Ay when he moves. When he feels where Ay is in one spot, he tries to wrap him in sand but Ay is already gone, again.... He hits and moves leaving Gaara no time to catch him. They can play the cat and mouse game all day, but I think you know who's going to outlast the other.
if a race was to start and Sasuke or Itachi had to cast amaterasu on a target before top speeded A could punch Amaterasu would win also A shunshin could dodge his own top speed punch aswell.
stop being a fool and then you yacked when i said im above you large scale attack do not need speed because you cannot dodge them that simple
Kimimaro was caught with Gaaras gourd sand beneath him because he underestimated him.
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Afterwards the sand didn't catch him until he lost focus giving that speech about how he loves Orochimaru.
He wasn't fast enough to get out the tsunamis range. Why? I'll use your own logic against you. Kimimaro was sick, and minutes away from his death. His body was literally shutting down from his disease therefore he couldn't move and react as fast as he would normally. Pretty sure this is one of the points you bring up about Itachi, now lets see if you'll uphold your view on it but I doubt you will.
Regardless of all that, Kimimaro is not Ay. Their reflexes and speeds are not comparable by a long shot. Gaara can't see Ay when he moves. When he feels where Ay is in one spot, he tries to wrap him in sand but Ay is already gone, again.... He hits and moves leaving Gaara no time to catch him. They can play the cat and mouse game all day, but I think you know who's going to outlast the other.
if a race was to start and Sasuke or Itachi had to cast amaterasu on a target before top speeded A could punch Amaterasu would win also A shunshin could dodge his own top speed punch aswell.
stop being a fool and then you yacked when i said im above you large scale attack do not need speed because you cannot dodge them that simple
What you guys aren't seeming to get is, you can't outrun AOE techniques such as Gaara's. His techniques can change TERRAINS, and not only that his technique become UNPREDICTABLE once erected. Put one man in the middle of a desert. Now imagine the desert homing in on the man in every direction. How does that man escape? Simple answer: He doesn't.
Kimimaro was caught with Gaaras gourd sand beneath him because he underestimated him.
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Afterwards the sand didn't catch him until he lost focus giving that speech about how he loves Orochimaru.
He wasn't fast enough to get out the tsunamis range. Why? I'll use your own logic against you. Kimimaro was sick, and minutes away from his death. His body was literally shutting down from his disease therefore he couldn't move and react as fast as he would normally. Pretty sure this is one of the points you bring up about Itachi, now lets see if you'll uphold your view on it but I doubt you will.
Regardless of all that, Kimimaro is not Ay. Their reflexes and speeds are not comparable by a long shot. Gaara can't see Ay when he moves. When he feels where Ay is in one spot, he tries to wrap him in sand but Ay is already gone, again.... He hits and moves leaving Gaara no time to catch him. They can play the cat and mouse game all day, but I think you know who's going to outlast the other.
You have literally got to be kidding me, lmfao. Kimimaro was having little trouble evading Gaaras gourd sand [
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], and then got caught from underneath with naturally made sand [
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]. If you bothered reading the manga for once, you would have known it wasn't his guard sand. Regardless if he was perfectly healthy or not, he had zero chance at avoiding Gaaras AoE
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. And then everything after that point, Kimimaro failed to evade because the AoE was too great. You're blantantly wrong and you know it. I would refrain from making yourself look like an even bigger retard then what you already are.
Gaara doesn't need to see where Ay moves, because there is always going to be sand underneath Ays feet. It took him multiple manga pages in order to charge up his shunshin on a high level, and it's not something he can continuiously use at that rate either. He shunshins from point A to point B and then Gaara immediately tracks his location with sensor sand, then proceeds to overwhelm him with sand. He is never avoiding Suna Arare; and he is never avoiding Sabaku Taisō - both leading into Sabaku Sōtaisō, where Ay meets his end. It's that simple, but I know you're incapable of comprehending given your last few fail posts that hold zero common sense with the manga.
You have literally got to be kidding me, lmfao. Kimimaro was having little trouble evading Gaaras gourd sand [
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. And then everything after that point, Kimimaro failed to evade because the AoE was too great. You're blantantly wrong and you know it. I would refrain from making yourself look like an even bigger retard then what you already are.
:lol That was a typo. I typed "gourd" and "ground" so many times that I made a grammar mistake. I already said Gaara's sand in his gourd is faster than what he makes from the ground so it would make no sense for me to say his gourd sand can't catch Ay (what I said from the start) but the ground sand would catch him. You have no idea what healthy Kimimaro was capable of. I brought the point up to show you can't say he was helpless against the wave because his body was weak and he was virtually dead during that fight and him being able to get around it is irrelevant, because hes not Ay, and Ay can get around it.
Gaara doesn't need to see Ay when he moves, when the sand underneath Ays feet is always going to be sand. It took him multiple manga pages in order to charge up his shunshin on a high level, and it's not something he can continuiously use at that rate either. He shunshins from point A to point B and then Gaara immediately tracks his location with sensor sand, then proceeds to overwhelm him with sand. He is never avoiding Suna Arare; and he is never avoiding Sabaku Taisō - both leading into Sabaku Sōtaisō, where Ay meets his end. It's that simple, but I know you're incapable of comprehending given your last few fail posts that hold zero common sense with the manga.
Correct, Ay will be on sand, but so was Madara and Joki Boi and Gaara still couldn't grab them with sand. He grabbed Madara when he was in Susanoo (slows the user down) and was just finished countering a combo by Naruto and Onoki. He grabbed Joki Boi by putting gold dust inside him to make him heavier, thus slower. None of these conditions will occur for Gaara to grab Ay then add the fact his speed and reflexes are superior to Madara and Joki Bois, yeah....
No, Ay doesn't have to charge up to use shunshin and someone explained this a long time ago and defeated the dumb excuse people made because they don't like the idea of Ay shitblitzing people
But you fail to know how LIGHTNING RELEASE BODY FLICKER works. **Sigh**
Databook 4:
Raiton Chakra Mode
Raiton Chakra collects on the body, it's a body invigoration ninjutsu. From inside the body lightning gushes out, the speed of ones nerve transmissions rises. The body is wrapped in lightning, the jutsu durability is like that of armor. The Raikages' application of it causes their combat power to rise considerably.
It managed to chase Naruto's Bijuu Chakra Mode, however it was inferior to the great speed of the Yellow-Flash
I'm going to first explain The Raiton Chakra mode. This Chakra mode allows constant Chakra and Lightning Chakra to be constantly used non stop until the armor is off. Aye(s) then incorporate the Body flicker:
Databook 1 - Shunshin no Jutsu:
Body Flicker Technique (瞬身の術, Shunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary
Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al
A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!
Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported... In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.
The cloud of sand dances in the wind
[picture of Gaara using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Haku using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Kakashi using the Body Flicker]
↑→Haku's and Kakashi's Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist. There are many variations of the "Body Flicker" for the various villages and user. Gaara's use includes the "Sand Body Flicker"*. There are also the "Mist Body Flicker"**, "Water Body Flicker"***, and "Leaf Body Flicker"****, among many others.
*Sand Body Flicker (砂瞬身, Suna Shunshin)
**Mist Body Flicker" (霧瞬身, Kiri Shunshin)
***Water Body Flicker" (水瞬身, Mizu Shunshin)
****"Leaf Body Flicker" (木ノ葉瞬身, Konoha Shunshin)
Now; How the bodyflicker works is using ones chakra on the feet/body then bursting forward. This is where Raiton chakra mode users excel; with the constant Lightning chakra surrounding them and there feet, they have the option to shunchin from Point A to point B back to back. As oppossed to a standard ninja who has to reset and gather chakra after the first shunshin was attempted.
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Perfect Manga fact and example; When on the spur of the moment (not prepared or aware) Aye was able to instantly Shunshin Towards Naruto, while naruto first had to collect Chakra. Why? Because Aye's Chakra is already active and ready to go with his reaction and body already moving faster then most humans. Just like Evani showed you, Aye was ready to Lighting Shunshin right after the First Lightning Shunshin thanks to his armor. And if that isn't enough:
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Shunshin Number one on a Sensor mind you.
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After he hit Muu, he instantly Shunshin'd again no diff from even EMS/Rinnegan MAdara's Sight! And you might say,"Onoki made him faster thus able to do that" but then you would be dumb because Onoki didn't cause the Raiton mode nor make him be able to Shunshin. Onoki simply made his movements lighter, not his reflexes or Reaction and mind Timing/awareness increase.
So I'll say it again; The Raiton chakra mode allows for his chakra to continuously surround him and allow him to spam Shunshin also know as Raiton Shunshin that even EMS Madara only had time to block not use Susanoo (and that wasn't even Aye's full speed." And again, "V2" is simply putting more chakra into his armor. He has Bijuu level so he can put as much as he pleases and not be phased, it literally takes no more then a Second to power up
Now that thats established, I don't know how you think Sand Drizzle is hitting Ay and his Sand Water Fall is not even a factor. Bee went
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so fast no one (not even Sasukes 3T) perceived where he went. Thats mountain range there, Bee's shunshin, which is way inferior to V2 Ay's. When Gaara makes the Sand Waterfall, Ay shunshins over it and yes people can run on and over his sand constructs like
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. Now you might bring up the sensor sand point (which I already mentioned in my last post) and say Gaara will feel where Ay is and grab him but Ay will only be there for a split second and Gaara has to react and form the hand at that location to grab him but by the time he does, Ay is already gone because Gaara cannot, and will ever be able to react to V2 Ay's speed....
It will feel almost like hes in several places at once and he'll close in on Gaara and kill him with Lateral Chop and if they play the cat and mouse game, Ay outlasts him. Even if Ay hits a clone like Joki Boi did
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the sand isn't fast enough to grab him, remember, Ay evaded Amaterasu point blank, he'll hit and be right on the move again like he was going to do with Minato. If Minato had jumped to another kunai, Ay was going to go there with shunshin to the other kunai to hit him and Hirashin speed > Sand Clone dispersing and grabbing its target so Gaara can't catch Ay with something like that either.
No way. From 20 mts of distance the only sand that would manage to protect Gaara would be the one of his gour, and Ay overpowers it easely since he overpowered ribcage susano.
Gaara won't be on time to react from that distance
You're twisting what Beans2 said on his post, and completely misinterpreting the manga. First of all, only striking speed was mentioned by Beans. Ay's V2 top speed mostly involves his shunshin speed, confirmed against Sasuke's Amaterasu and his clash against Minato. Secondly, Guillotine drop isn't just free falling. It's a combination of Ay using the force of the free-fall/gravity combined with his own striking speed (of his leg). Ay's mass alone, despite his free fall acceleration is nothing too noteworthy to produce any kind of significant force required to break a ribcage. So nothing of the FCD sort is happening here.
:lol That was a typo. I typed "gourd" and "ground" so many times that I made a grammar mistake. I already said Gaara's sand in his gourd is faster than what he makes from the ground so it would make no sense for me to say his gourd sand can't catch Ay (what I said from the start) but the ground sand would catch him. You have no idea what healthy Kimimaro was capable of. I brought the point up to show you can't say he was helpless against the wave because his body was weak and he was virtually dead during that fight and him being able to get around it is irrelevant, because hes not Ay, and Ay can get around it.
No biggie then. I don't need to know what healthy Kimimaro was capable of. Just by taking a look at the
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, anyone thinking rationally would conclude he doesn't have a single chance at avoiding it with foot speed alone. Unless you want to suggest healthy Kimimaro would be some top tier speeder, which is based on absolutely nothing. All irrelevant though. You initially made the claim that because Gaara's gourd sand is faster, it is harder to deal with then his slower AoE naturally made sand. That was proven to be blantantly false (and made zero sense to begin with), as sick Kimimaro was evading his gourd sand, but that very same sick Kimimaro couldn't evade his AoE natural sand. You knew you were wrong, so you had to reach far into left field, and bring up a completely irrelevant point to the topic at hand. It doesn't matter what healthy Kimimaro can and can not do, nor does it reinforce anything you've stated.
Correct, Ay will be on sand, but so was Madara and Joki Boi and Gaara still couldn't grab them with sand. He grabbed Madara when he was in Susanoo (slows the user down) and was just finished countering a combo by Naruto and Onoki. He grabbed Joki Boi by putting gold dust inside him to make him heavier, thus slower. None of these conditions will occur for Gaara to grab Ay then add the fact his speed and reflexes are superior to Madara and Joki Bois, yeah....
Again. Show me a single non-existent scan showcasing Gaara utilizing his AoE sand attacks against Madara and Joki Boi. He couldn't because he was fighting alongside the SA and the Kages, where this fighting style would of either hindered or injured them. You have no point. Even if Ay is capable of avoiding Sand Tsunami's, the entire landscape is covered with layers upon layers of sand.
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is essentially one huge bone crushing desert funeral. It doesn't matter where Ay runs off to, there will always be sand at his feet. Once that happens, Gaara continues to
No, Ay doesn't have to charge up to use shunshin and someone explained this a long time ago and defeated the dumb excuse people made because they don't like the idea of Ay shitblitzing people
Except I never said that. Go re-read my post, because I'm not going to reiterate myself when it was quite clear. It's a manga fact that Ay charged up his chakra in order to obtain his peak level of shunshin, and unless he continues to maintain it at that level, he isn't going to keep that level of speed. Never said he couldn't consecutively shunshin back to back, but you have no proof to suggest that Ay can maintain that level of chakra and shunshin at his peak speed for a notably long time.
Now that thats established, I don't know how you think Sand Drizzle is hitting Ay and his Sand Water Fall is not even a factor. Bee went
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so fast no one (not even Sasukes 3T) perceived where he went. Thats mountain range there, Bee's shunshin, which is way inferior to V2 Ay's. When Gaara makes the Sand Waterfall, Ay shunshins over it and yes people can run on and over his sand constructs like
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. Now you might bring up the sensor sand point (which I already mentioned in my last post) and say Gaara will feel where Ay is and grab him but Ay will only be there for a split second and Gaara has to react and form the hand at that location to grab him but by the time he does, Ay is already gone because Gaara cannot, and will ever be able to react to V2 Ay's speed....
It will feel almost like hes in several places at once and he'll close in on Gaara and kill him with Lateral Chop and if they play the cat and mouse game, Ay outlasts him. Even if Ay hits a clone like Joki Boi did
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the sand isn't fast enough to grab him, remember, Ay evaded Amaterasu point blank, he'll hit and be right on the move again like he was going to do with Minato. If Minato had jumped to another kunai, Ay was going to go there with shunshin to the other kunai to hit him and Hirashin speed > Sand Clone dispersing and grabbing its target so Gaara can't catch Ay with something like that either.
Suna Arare: Sand Shower Barrage
Gaara’s jutsu that continuously fires lumps of sand in the shape of bullets. An infinite onslaught of sand that, like an incessant downpour, brings down enemies without missing.
Just like Sabuko Taiso, this attack is not avoidable. It doesn't matter where Ay moves to, because he's getting pelted without a proper shield. It'd be essentially like dodging rain... Which is not possible, unless Ay can somehow shunshin completely out of it's massive range before crashing down on him. And even then, Gaara can track the direction he's moving in with sensory sand, and lift up a Tsunami to force Ay into a different direction; by then, already getting hit by Suna Arare. That or Sabuko Taiso works just fine. Gaara doesn't need to react to V2's speed with massive village level AoE attacks at his disposal. And Ay ever leaving the ground to attack Gaara, only makes the GG even easier.
WTF is the mass of A's leg and the force of Gravity suppose to do to Sasuke? Are you people even using your brains?
