Gaara & Shikamaru VS Hidan & Kakazu

[Megan Terumi]

1) oh,gee i dont know,maybe attack them with his shadows?,he could do that protected by gaara while thining out their techs,or does he have to be in the middle of the area to do that?.you talk as if gaara wont also attack them with sand as well,kakuzu dosent start out with his hearts also and hidan will be easily caught if he gets close,hidan is a close tanged fighter,he will be a burden to kakuzu more than shika to gaara,because shika can distract them with his shadows and think out plans while gaara attacks them with sand.

Shikamaru jutsu will be more difficult to use from a longer distance. In a closer distance they're susceptible to attacks from Hidan. I think with Hidan's agility he can evade Gaara's sand unless Gaara tries dropping a sand tsunami on him, which I already provided counters to.

2) gaara collects the hardest minerals for his shield of shkaku,at least some diamonds should be used as well,cuz they are the hardest of them all. However,since he didnt specify if he used it or not,i'll give you this one about diamonds. Keep in mind though that at 13,he used the hardest/strongest minerals and formed it under immense pressure to create the shield of shukaku.currently it should be able to match diamond level.

Let's see then.

3) the scans obviously showed rocky pillars,and the fact onoki is using his rock techs so much here proves they are in a rocky area,most of onoki's earth techs has him manipulating rocks,like his rock golem etc. Also the kages were advancing towards them,they stopped only for a short time,before gaara attacked. Also your right, he easily crushed the rocks there,in this location,all there is to crush is soil,as they are in a forest,also gaara attacked immediately with that sand tsunami when onoki suggested that they attack to test their responses. It took seconds to crush rocks into a sand tsunami 3 times bigger than kimimaro's own to the point where his dad thought shukaku was out and at full power,how much time do you think he needs to crush soil?.

Yes because the place was full of dirt and rocks? It would have been super easy for Gaara to make sand out of those things. Hidan & Kakuzu see that Gaara is destroying trees and the landscape to gather his sand, they get away. They are both pretty observant.

4) kakashi didnt sharpen it as usual to block gian,he directed it outwards from his hands,just like raiton armour is directed outwards through his entire body,also i am looking at the level of power here,raiton armour is easily above raikiri and gian,and gaara blocked it easily in v2 with little sand,also since there is no knowledge,kakuzu wont bring out his hearts immediately anyway,cuz he wont know the magnitude of gaara's powers,by the time he does,gaara would have created enough sand,also i dont see gian piercing a multi layered sand wall,or his shield of shukaku,which by the databooks itself say it is virtually indestructable,and hasnt been PENETRATED by any force,also gaara formed it in like 3 panels when he was 13 against kimimaro,he can do it much faster now,also that shield was 3 times bigger than gaara when he was 13,it will be much bigger and even stronger now.

No, he had a lot of Raiton chakra concentrated in 2 points of his body, his hands, A's armor is spread out all over his body and he makes it stronger in certain points when he needs to increase his defence, plus A himself is extremely durable and could withstand Mabui's Light Speed Transportation. It's not like A was using a sheer piercing attack like Chidori or Raikiri on Gaara's sand when Gaara blocked his kick, otherwise his foot would've gone through it, like Sasuke's Chidori did.

Kakuzu's doton skin hasn't been penetrated by any force either, except for Raikiri, which is its elemental weakness.

The shield was nowhere near as big as you make it out to be.

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Even supposing it grows bigger over the time skip, Kakuzu's lightning spear extends far past that.

5) he was pushed back but unhurt by 5 susanoo swords whose attacks were matched by a small sand shield,i am taliking abt the tanking force of his sand,also,isnt sand an insulator?. Gian wont get through his sand for the reasons i just mentioned.

The sand shield didn't actually appear to be that small.

Sasuke got through his sand with a far inferior raiton attack.

6) gaara's sand tsunami was landscape changing in part 1,gaara just needs to protect himself from the attacks that will hit him,example his fire tech,if gaara and shika stay behind his sand wall,or his ultimate shield he will be fine. Also gaara's sand techs are on another level than against kimi which was a casual forest changing level. The sand tsunami he fired at the kages is much bigger than anything kakuzu can create. Nothing will get thrpugh his shield of shukaku. Kakuzi is either buried or sealed.

Gaara didn't even fight in a forest to begin with, for starters. Kakuzu's jutsu can change the landscape as well, and was obliterating parts of forests casually. What I am saying is that he can at least slow down the sand by using his giant jutsu to block it. During this time Kakuzu can also harden to tank Gaara's sand and Hidan can run the hell out of the way.

 

[genii96]

Shikamaru jutsu will be more difficult to use from a longer distance. In a closer distance they're susceptible to attacks from Hidan. I think with Hidan's agility he can evade Gaara's sand unless Gaara tries dropping a sand tsunami on him, which I already provided counters to.

Yes because the place was full of dirt and rocks? It would have been super easy for Gaara to make sand out of those things. Hidan & Kakuzu see that Gaara is destroying trees and the landscape to gather his sand, they get away. They are both pretty observant.

No, he had a lot of Raiton chakra concentrated in 2 points of his body, his hands, A's armor is spread out all over his body and he makes it stronger in certain points when he needs to increase his defence, plus A himself is extremely durable and could withstand Mabui's Light Speed Transportation. It's not like A was using a sheer piercing attack like Chidori or Raikiri on Gaara's sand when Gaara blocked his kick, otherwise his foot would've gone through it, like Sasuke's Chidori did.

Kakuzu's doton skin hasn't been penetrated by any force either, except for Raikiri, which is its elemental weakness.

Even supposing it grows bigger over the time skip, Kakuzu's lightning spear extends far past that.



Sasuke got through his sand with a far inferior raiton attack.

Gaara didn't even fight in a forest to begin with, for starters. Kakuzu's jutsu can change the landscape as well, and was obliterating parts of forests casually. What I am saying is that he can at least slow down the sand by using his giant jutsu to block it. During this time Kakuzu can also harden to tank Gaara's sand and Hidan can run the hell out of the way.

1) shikamaru's jutsu is a short-mid range tech,hidan is a close range fighter while kakuzu is a short-mid range fighter,they arent going so far that shika can't reach,also gaara's sand attacks make shadows as well that shika can use,not to mention the fact that the sand attacks can be used as a distraction to catch them in a shadow or vice versa,also shika has his chakra blades as well which he can throw with his shadow,they have no intel,so he could catch them with it. Also,gaara can attack from below as well to surprise hidan,there is sand on the surface,gaara can use that to fightas well. Also i am pretty sure gaara's sand is faster than hidan.

2) gaara dosent need to destroy trees to make sand,in the fight against kimi,he made the sand and kept it underground,kimi didnt know,then he made it come up instantly. The sand is made and kept underground till he summons it all up as seen when he does it,his opponent hasnt the slightest idea until he does the tech,so hidan and kakuzu wont know cuz he wont destroy any trees,or make any notice. Though they might sense it,since kakuzu has basically a century of experience. However,sand and shadow attacks will make it difficult,especially since their masks arent out yet.

3) the raikage was bloodlusted,he was comin down on sasuke with a full downward kick,his raiton armour had so much concentration that his hair flared up like a super saiyanxd,he couldnt increase it anymore,his chakra was bijuu level as stated by karin,kakashi at that time was quite poor in chakra,so he had bijuu level chakra concentration around his body and in v2 when he was blocked by gaara's sand compared to kakashi's raikiri from his hands when his stamina was low?,come on.

4) Chidori pierced gaara's sand in the CE,gaara blocked bone drill from cs2 kimi in SRA which was stronger than SRA chidori,gaara also didnt make more sand in his sasuke fight. Also his shield of shukaku will block gian,he can make it big enough to sccomodate him and shika,he made it quite big in 3 panels,dont forget that this was over 3 years ago,he can make it much bigger now,it is made up of not just sand,but the strongest minerals gaara can find compressed in extreme pressure and is virtually indestructable,lightening spears arent gettin through that.

5) gaara's sand tsunami was made in a grassy plain with no sand,his sand tsunami went on to change athe entire grassland and the entire forest nearby into a sandbox. Also,sand tsunami is like a wave of momentum,you can't just stop it with jutsus,gold dust wave stopped it because gold was much more heavier than sand,and despite that,it just stopped it,it didnt overpower it. Kakuzu's massive attacks shown are fire,wind and lightening,fire has no mass and dosent burn sand,so using it is a bad idea,lightening comes in spears,sand tsunami is made of tons of sand and is very thick,also lightening isnt heavier than sand,and comes in spears,it wont slow the thing down at all,next is the wind,it is a pressure chakra move,which explodes,it levelled multiple trees,it will blow out part of the sand tsunami only,the rest will still keep going. How does hidan outrin a jutsu that changes forests and can be manipulated while in motion.

 

[Joki]

1) i wasnt alking abt sand coffin,i was taling abt shield of shukaku which is made from the strongest minerals under immense pressure,and diamond is among the strongest minerals isnt it?.

No. It is the strongest, period. What you said is completely baseless. Besides, diamond is hard in another way. You can easily take a hammer and smash a diamond into pieces.

2) kimimaro wasnt a genin:flaw:,he was oro's strongest servant,and his bones in base were hasrder than steel,his bones in cs2 survived gaara's desert funeral which sent tremors strong enough to stagger lee,in cs2,he survived being buried 200m underground at which point the pressure would turn tempered steel to dust and came out unharmed,his bones were far stronger than steel.

Oro has shitty servants then, genin level or not he's faaaaaaaar from Akatsuki level. You admitted yourself his "bones were harder than steel". That's far from being compared to an akatsuki levels diamon level skin. Stop being baseless, support your points, I don't give a crap if his bones are harder in CS2, that's baseless and you haven't supported it. Being harder will come nowhere near Domu level.

A body like diamond, repelling everything!!

With the chakra flowing through all parts of one's body, the skin is hardened, increasing its defence power to its utmost limits. Furthermore, the destructive power of human bullet attacks** is increased, making this a great all-purpose technique. The amount of techniques that can break through the areas hardened by the "Earth Spear" are close to zero, not including its undeniable weak point: "Lightning Release Ninjutsu".

3) yea,gian is raikiri's power level,and v2 raiton armour is easily above both of them,

Inferior chidori pierced the raiton armor easily

yet a small stream of sand blocked it,

Was Raikage piercing his sand? No. Was he attacking Gaara or his sand? No.

also gaara's shield of shukau is indestructable as said in the databooks itself

Uhhh...what? The databook says nothing like that.

A sand shield created out of a concentration of the extremely hard materials that rest underground. Those materials are selected at a moment's notice thanks to chakra control, and after compression is applied, they are mixed together. The name of Shukaku, the Avatar of the Sand, is appropriate for such great defensive power...

That is all it says. Also note it's stationary and can't move. Kakuzu moves 20 feet to the right and shoots a gian around the shield, GG. Well, it'd go right through his shield and you've given nothing to say otherwise...but I'm being generous here.

,and he made it in three panels when he was 13,gian isnt getting through that,or even a double sand wall.

Databook, Kishi, and on-screen manga panels say otherwise.

4) his fire tech isnt breaching his sand,or burning through it as sand is naturally immune to fire,a sand wall will block the fire around him easily,his wind tech is an explosion type attack,gaara already blocked bigger explosions than that,gian is blocked by sand walls or SOS.

This isn't getting through his wuss starting gourd sand?

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I severely beg to differ. Kakashi's giant suiton didn't even scratch it, and see those tiny twigs on the bottom? Those were...only those gigantic trees from earlier in which their trunks were as big as trucks.

Before Kakuzu's base Katon effortlessly scorched dozens of them that is. His fuuton in combination is only that much more devastating. Of course I won't get an answer or any possible way Gaara will survive that that isn't trollish or clearly false, but I digress, I am waiting.

 

[genii96]

No. It is the strongest, period. What you said is completely baseless. Besides, diamond is hard in another way. You can easily take a hammer and smash a diamond into pieces.

Oro has shitty servants then, genin level or not he's faaaaaaaar from Akatsuki level. You admitted yourself his "bones were harder than steel". That's far from being compared to an akatsuki levels diamon level skin. Stop being baseless, support your points, I don't give a crap if his bones are harder in CS2, that's baseless and you haven't supported it. Being harder will come nowhere near Domu level.


Inferior chidori pierced the raiton armor easily

yet a small stream of sand blocked it,

Was Raikage piercing his sand? No. Was he attacking Gaara or his sand? No. Uhhh...what? The databook says nothing like that.

That is all it says. Also note it's stationary and can't move. Kakuzu moves 20 feet to the right and shoots a gian around the shield, GG. Well, it'd go right through his shield and you've given nothing to say otherwise...but I'm being generous here.Databook, Kishi, and on-screen manga panels say otherwise.

This isn't getting through his wuss starting gourd sand?

I severely beg to differ. Kakashi's giant suiton didn't even scratch it, and see those tiny twigs on the bottom? Those were...only those gigantic trees from earlier in which their trunks were as big as trucks.

Before Kakuzu's base Katon effortlessly scorched dozens of them that is. His fuuton in combination is only that much more devastating. Of course I won't get an answer or any possible way Gaara will survive that that isn't trollish or clearly false, but I digress, I am waiting.

1) ive already noticed concieved the diamond point. Check my above post. And diamond isnt the strongest,it's the hardest.

2) kabuto was said to be kakashi's level in part 1,and kimimaro solo'd the sound four easily, and i am not talking abt whose more powerful,i just found out that steel is STRONGER than diamonds and wont break easily under pressure but can get scratched by glass,diamonds are much HARDER than steel and wont scratch easily without another diamond,but will break under less pressure than steel. In the case of kimi and kakuzu,kimi's steel bones were built to take pressure damages which was basically gaara's way of killing in part 1,kakauzu's diamond hard skin is incredibly strong and is immune to all piercing attacks and physical blows and hits,but sufficient pressure and force will break it,and sand burial has plenty of both,besides gaara also has quicksand and sand pyramid.

3) raikage in v2 had a chakra shroud so concentrated that his hair jotted up,karin said his chakra were at bijuu levels in v2,so raikage having bijuu level chakra shaped into a lightening shroud around his body,which is much stronger than kakashi's own raikiri,was coming down bloodlusted on sasuke and was blocked by sand,kakashi stopped gian with his raikiri sent outwards from his hands,not concentrated like usual and nowhere near the level of the raiton v2 shroud,and it nullified the attack,gaara's sand walls will have no trouble blocking gian.also,this is what i got from the databooks abt SOS

"This defensive technique is used by Gaara to create a toy-like replica of Shukaku wearing a wide-brimmed rural hat, that is roughly thrice the size of Gaara. Because the replica is formed under extreme pressure and is built of the strongest minerals which Gaara could derive from the earth, it is virtually indestructible, having yet to be penetrated by any force. As the name implies, this is Gaara's strongest defence"

and the shield as said by gaara himself is made from the strongest minerals and compressed by chakra,gian wont go through that,gaara's normal defences allowed him to survive a meteor blast with no serious injuries,a susanoo sword could breach it and gaara wasnt loking,5 couldnt hit him without looking,it took him barely 2 minutes to turn a grassland forest into a sand box,he made another sand tsunami in a rocky area in one panel and it made the kages look like dots,here there is only soil to crush,and there is sand on the surface already to attack,and gaara can easily move the shield anywhere he wants,it's sand isnt it,kakashi was able to run from his fight with hidan and stop gian,ino was able to run from where she was to yell at them to get out of the way,gaara can move a sand statue a few feet?. Iirc sand is an insulator isnt it?,and kakuzu dosent even start with his masks out,he has no intel,by the time he brings them out,gaara would already have made enough sand for his sand tsunami which will turn the forest into a sand box.

4) what makes you think gaara wouldnt have made much more sand by the time kakuzu decide to remove the masks anyway?,you talk like he is starting with all his masks on,all that is here to crush is soil and stones,not even rocks.even ama flames couldnt burn through the sand,fire dosent burn sand,a wall of sand will block it.

 

[Joki]

2) kabuto was said to be kakashi's level in part 1,and kimimaro solo'd the sound four easily,

Hn? Kimimaro never did anything to the sound 4 let alone solo them, and Kakashi effortlessly destroys Kimimaro in Part 1 so if Kimimaro did that, then Kakashi and Kabutoi can too.

1) ive already noticed concieved the diamond point. Check my above post. And diamond isnt the strongest,it's the hardest.
and i am not talking abt whose more powerful,i just found out that steel is STRONGER than diamonds and wont break easily under pressure but can get scratched by glass,diamonds are much HARDER than steel and wont scratch easily without another diamond,but will break under less pressure than steel. In the case of kimi and kakuzu,kimi's steel bones were built to take pressure damages which was basically gaara's way of killing in part 1,kakauzu's diamond hard skin is incredibly strong and is immune to all piercing attacks and physical blows and hits,but sufficient pressure and force will break it,and sand burial has plenty of both,besides gaara also has quicksand and sand pyramid.

They're both strong, point is diamond is hte hardest mineral, if you conceded on it like you said you should know Gaara does far from crush diamonds. If you don't take things so literally you should knolw that Kishi's simply comparing their hardness level, and an Akatsuki with an extremely hax Iron Skin that tanked a huge spiked bullet that made a giant crater with 0 damage craps on a Part 1 character who's genin-chunin level at best. His bones were harder than steel, Kakuzu shrugged off a steel sword slashing him in the face and Kimimaro pierced one, unfortunately if a sword slashed through Kimimaro's head he would die. Kakuzu's skin is far stronger, manga fact literally proves this, the fact you're trying to act like a weak Part 1 character's bones are harder than a top tier Akatsuki's specific defense jutsui s ridiculous.

Hell, do you remember that in base withgout any form of defense Kakuzu took an FRS head on? He didn't die, Kakashi had to kill him after. KN8 tanked Chibaku Tensei with no damage, he was being crushed under millions of pounds of pressure, and remember how 1 FRS hurt Kurama badly? FRS also left 3rd Raikage with Raiton armor incapacitated and it also destroyed Pain paths on the celular level so only a piece of his head remains. Kakuzu is a durable mother ****er, Gaara's puny sand won't do anything to him..at least not before being Gianed to death.

3) raikage in v2 had a chakra shroud so concentrated that his hair jotted up,karin said his chakra were at bijuu levels in v2,so raikage having bijuu level chakra shaped into a lightening shroud around his body,which is much stronger than kakashi's own raikiri,was coming down bloodlusted on sasuke and was blocked by sand

As cool as that is, he wasn't piercing through his sand so this kind of attack is irrelevant.

,kakashi stopped gian with his raikiri sent outwards from his hands,not concentrated like usual and nowhere near the level of the raiton v2 shroud,and it nullified the attack,

Raikiri vs Gian is a stalemate, and Gian burned Kakashi's hands and vaporized his gloves. Gian's a teeny bit superior but either way it's raikiri level. Raikiri which in fact effortlessly pierced through Gaara's weak sand, Gian will have no trouble.

gaara's sand walls will have no trouble blocking gian.

Youve given literally nothing to support this. Ify ou didn't forget they can maneuver, and are as fast as lightning, so fastthat only Kakashi was able to intercept them. Gaara is too slow by the time it fires he's a sitting duck and gets vaporized to a crisp, Shikamaru and Choji stood there as if nothing was happened because it fired at them so fast.

also,this is what i got from the databooks abt SOS

"This defensive technique is used by Gaara to create a toy-like replica of Shukaku wearing a wide-brimmed rural hat, that is roughly thrice the size of Gaara. Because the replica is formed under extreme pressure and is built of the strongest minerals which Gaara could derive from the earth, it is virtually indestructible, having yet to be penetrated by any force. As the name implies, this is Gaara's strongest defence"

I actually use hte real databook, but unfortunately Kimimaro's bonesa re incredibly weak when compared to the more powerful jutsu today like chidori.

and the shield as said by gaara himself is made from the strongest minerals and compressed by chakra,gian wont go through that,gaara's normal defences allowed him to survive a meteor blast with no serious injuries,

Lol what? He was out of chakra and dying, and Onoki helped severely

a susanoo sword could breach it and gaara wasnt loking,5 couldnt hit him without looking,it took him barely 2 minutes to turn a grassland forest into a sand box,

Exactly, before those 2 minutes happen he has virtually no sand to protect against giant lightning bursts that he's too slow to respond to anyway. Or perhaps a giant fire/wind blast that dwarfed buildings that completely vaporizes any of Gaara's sand and crushes him.

he made another sand tsunami in a rocky area in one panel and it made the kages look like dots,here there is only soil to crush,and there is sand on the surface already to attack,and gaara can easily move the shield anywhere he wants,it's sand isnt it,kakashi was able to run from his fight with hidan and stop gian,

Maybe that's because Kakashi is a 4.5 and actually fast enough to intercept? Gaara is a slow guy, he's never ever moved in a fight.

ino was able to run from where she was to yell at them to get out of the way,

She was near them and yelled before the blast went off, she along with team 10 was fodderized and one-paneled by the technique

gaara can move a sand statue a few feet?. Iirc sand is an insulator isnt it?,and kakuzu dosent even start with his masks out,he has no intel,by the time he brings them out,gaara would already have made enough sand for his sand tsunami which will turn the forest into a sand box.

2 seconds into the fight a giant wind/fire blast destroys Gaara and he can't do nothing,he gonna die.

4) what makes you think gaara wouldnt have made much more sand by the time kakuzu decide to remove the masks anyway?,you talk like he is starting with all his masks on,all that is here to crush is soil and stones,not even rocks.even ama flames couldnt burn through the sand,fire dosent burn sand,a wall of sand will block it.

All he has to do is activate the mask and it uses its jutsu, what do yo uthink this is, do you think he has to take 5 hours out of his day and sit on his ass while Gaara makes a bunch of sand to kill him with? While he does nothing, and only THEN after Gaara creates a desert amount of sand say "oh let's bring out my jutsu now after I sat on my ass for hte past 5 minutes and let Gaara do that"?

 

[Megan Terumi]

1) shikamaru's jutsu is a short-mid range tech,hidan is a close range fighter while kakuzu is a short-mid range fighter,they arent going so far that shika can't reach,also gaara's sand attacks make shadows as well that shika can use,not to mention the fact that the sand attacks can be used as a distraction to catch them in a shadow or vice versa,also shika has his chakra blades as well which he can throw with his shadow,they have no intel,so he could catch them with it. Also,gaara can attack from below as well to surprise hidan,there is sand on the surface,gaara can use that to fightas well. Also i am pretty sure gaara's sand is faster than hidan.

Kakuzu can go long range. I believe this was demonstrated already, when Shikamaru had to rely on Kakashi the entire time to even survive Kakuzu's jutsu. Point being, Shikamaru will not be doing nearly as much as Gaara, and needed a lot of help in both encounters with the zombie bros.

Hidan easily kept up with Kakashi, he can keep up with Gaara's sand, at least to an extent.

2) gaara dosent need to destroy trees to make sand,in the fight against kimi,he made the sand and kept it underground,kimi didnt know,then he made it come up instantly. The sand is made and kept underground till he summons it all up as seen when he does it,his opponent hasnt the slightest idea until he does the tech,so hidan and kakuzu wont know cuz he wont destroy any trees,or make any notice. Though they might sense it,since kakuzu has basically a century of experience. However,sand and shadow attacks will make it difficult,especially since their masks arent out yet.

I didn't say he does. I'm sayin that Kakuzu and Hidan will notice the landscape being destroyed as the sand comes out. I thought he makes sand on the spot? When does he keep it underground?

3) the raikage was bloodlusted,he was comin down on sasuke with a full downward kick,his raiton armour had so much concentration that his hair flared up like a super saiyan,he couldnt increase it anymore,his chakra was bijuu level as stated by karin,kakashi at that time was quite poor in chakra,so he had bijuu level chakra concentration around his body and in v2 when he was blocked by gaara's sand compared to kakashi's raikiri from his hands when his stamina was low?,come on.

Like I've said before, Raikage wasn't trying to pierce the sand so irrelevant. \

4) Chidori pierced gaara's sand in the CE,gaara blocked bone drill from cs2 kimi in SRA which was stronger than SRA chidori,gaara also didnt make more sand in his sasuke fight. Also his shield of shukaku will block gian,he can make it big enough to sccomodate him and shika,he made it quite big in 3 panels,dont forget that this was over 3 years ago,he can make it much bigger now,it is made up of not just sand,but the strongest minerals gaara can find compressed in extreme pressure and is virtually indestructable,lightening spears arent gettin through that.

Prove it. Maybe this time, provide manga scans

5) gaara's sand tsunami was made in a grassy plain with no sand,his sand tsunami went on to change athe entire grassland and the entire forest nearby into a sandbox. Also,sand tsunami is like a wave of momentum,you can't just stop it with jutsus,gold dust wave stopped it because gold was much more heavier than sand,and despite that,it just stopped it,it didnt overpower it. Kakuzu's massive attacks shown are fire,wind and lightening,fire has no mass and dosent burn sand,so using it is a bad idea,lightening comes in spears,sand tsunami is made of tons of sand and is very thick,also lightening isnt heavier than sand,and comes in spears,it wont slow the thing down at all,next is the wind,it is a pressure chakra move,which explodes,it levelled multiple trees,it will blow out part of the sand tsunami only,the rest will still keep going. How does hidan outrin a jutsu that changes forests and can be manipulated while in motion.

The attacks still have massive size and force, Kakuzu only needs to blow out the part that is near them

When has Gaara manipulated sand tsunami in motion?

Hidan can get away as Kakuzu distracts.

 

[lswhyte123]

To Megan Terumi, Gaara manipulates his Sand Tsunami against Kimimaro.

 

[Megan Terumi]

He doesn't, it's just a giant wave. He doesn't do anything with it until the sand settles down.

Also i take back what I said about them (Gaara & Kimimaro) not fighting in a forest. They were mainly fighting in a grassland but Gaara took out some nearby trees, still doesnt make much of a difference though.

 

[genii96]

Kakuzu can go long range. I believe this was demonstrated already, when Shikamaru had to rely on Kakashi the entire time to even survive Kakuzu's jutsu. Point being, Shikamaru will not be doing nearly as much as Gaara, and needed a lot of help in both encounters with the zombie bros.

Hidan easily kept up with Kakashi, he can keep up with Gaara's sand, at least to an extent.

I didn't say he does. I'm sayin that Kakuzu and Hidan will notice the landscape being destroyed as the sand comes out. I thought he makes sand on the spot? When does he keep it underground?

Like I've said before, Raikage wasn't trying to pierce the sand so irrelevant. \

Prove it. Maybe this time, provide manga scans

The attacks still have massive size and force, Kakuzu only needs to blow out the part that is near them

When has Gaara manipulated sand tsunami in motion?

Hidan can get away as Kakuzu distracts.

1) that wasnt long range,that was mid range,and shika needed kakashi's help with gian only.he and the others survived the other two jutsus. His intelligence and shadows wi do very good in hhelping gaara trap them.

2) hidan was a better cqc than kakashi,not faster,he made up for his speed by being better in taijutsu. Just like km naruto and raikage,naruto is faster,but if they fought CQC,he would loose. Gaara's sand is much faster than that kakashi that fought hidan,and he can attack from hidan's feet with the sand already in the surface.

3) gaara creates more sand underground and keeps it there and uses it to attack from under until he does his sand tsunami which then brings all the sand made to the surface at once,nothing above ground is changed. The sand tsunami rises at a very fast rate,by the time they realize it wiill be too late. This place is made of soil and stones,no where near as hard as rocks which gaara managed to break apart and launch a very large sand tsunami in one panel.

4) whether he was aiming for gaara's sand or not is irrelevant, the raikage was coming down at full force in v2,if he saw gaara's sand he couldnt have done any different,gaara used a very small amount of sand to block an attack stronger than his backhand which broke ribcage susanoo,the amount of time it takes kakuzu to find the space to remove his masks is longer than the time gaara will take to crush soil and make sand,seeing as he made a very large amount in one panel on a rocky terrain.

5) "Ultimate Absolute Defense: Shield of Shukaku
*. Name: Ultimate Absolute Defense: Shield ofShukaku (最硬絶対防御・守鶴の盾, Saikō Zettai Bōgyo: Shukaku no Tate ; English TV "Ultimate Defense: Shukaku's Shield")
*. Type: No rank, Defensive, Short range (0-5m)
*. User: Gaara
*. Debut (Anime): Naruto Episode 127
*. Debut (Manga): Chapter 217
This defensive technique is formed by Gaara to create a toy-like replica of the Shukaku that is roughly twice the size of himself. Because the replica is formed under extreme pressure and is built of the strongest minerals it is virtually indestructible, having yet to be penetrated by any force". I got it here from narutobase.

6) whether they blow parts of it is irrelevant as it will still continue and wipe out the whole forest,fire has basically no weight,it can't push sand back,gian is just a lightening spear,a sand tsunami will overpower it,sand is an insulator,wind one might blow some sand off,but not anywhere near all,and this is assuming gaara dosent onepanel his sand tsunami. He manipulated his sand tsunami against kimi,and hidan can't outrun/dodge it,it takes apart the entire forest.

7) also kakuzu dosent start out with his ,masks,and has no intel,this gives gaara a headtsart in creating sand from the soil,by the time he removes them,gaara would already finished making more sand.

 

[AnimeGreatNinja]

comon guys

after shika outta the way, gaara's aoe desert funeral tech solo both. kakuzu can harden, but cant get out like kimimaro did

gaara's sand armor seals the deal.

EDIT: Yeah and I forgot Gaara can fly

 

[xX Madara Uchiha Xx]

kakazu could take gaara but idk if hidan could pick up the slack and solo shikamaru

 

[Megan Terumi]

1) that wasnt long range,that was mid range,and shika needed kakashi's help with gian only.he and the others survived the other two jutsus. His intelligence and shadows wi do very good in hhelping gaara trap them.

2) hidan was a better cqc than kakashi,not faster,he made up for his speed by being better in taijutsu. Just like km naruto and raikage,naruto is faster,but if they fought CQC,he would loose. Gaara's sand is much faster than that kakashi that fought hidan,and he can attack from hidan's feet with the sand already in the surface.

3) gaara creates more sand underground and keeps it there and uses it to attack from under until he does his sand tsunami which then brings all the sand made to the surface at once,nothing above ground is changed. The sand tsunami rises at a very fast rate,by the time they realize it wiill be too late. This place is made of soil and stones,no where near as hard as rocks which gaara managed to break apart and launch a very large sand tsunami in one panel.

4) whether he was aiming for gaara's sand or not is irrelevant, the raikage was coming down at full force in v2,if he saw gaara's sand he couldnt have done any different,gaara used a very small amount of sand to block an attack stronger than his backhand which broke ribcage susanoo,the amount of time it takes kakuzu to find the space to remove his masks is longer than the time gaara will take to crush soil and make sand,seeing as he made a very large amount in one panel on a rocky terrain.

5) "Ultimate Absolute Defense: Shield of Shukaku
*. Name: Ultimate Absolute Defense: Shield ofShukaku (最硬絶対防御・守鶴の盾, Saikō Zettai Bōgyo: Shukaku no Tate ; English TV "Ultimate Defense: Shukaku's Shield")
*. Type: No rank, Defensive, Short range (0-5m)
*. User: Gaara
*. Debut (Anime): Naruto Episode 127
*. Debut (Manga): Chapter 217
This defensive technique is formed by Gaara to create a toy-like replica of the Shukaku that is roughly twice the size of himself. Because the replica is formed under extreme pressure and is built of the strongest minerals it is virtually indestructible, having yet to be penetrated by any force". I got it here from narutobase.

6) whether they blow parts of it is irrelevant as it will still continue and wipe out the whole forest,fire has basically no weight,it can't push sand back,gian is just a lightening spear,a sand tsunami will overpower it,sand is an insulator,wind one might blow some sand off,but not anywhere near all,and this is assuming gaara dosent onepanel his sand tsunami. He manipulated his sand tsunami against kimi,and hidan can't outrun/dodge it,it takes apart the entire forest.

7) also kakuzu dosent start out with his ,masks,and has no intel,this gives gaara a headtsart in creating sand from the soil,by the time he removes them,gaara would already finished making more sand.

Kakashi did most of the fighting. Kakuzus jutsu are large enough to be long range plus his heart monsters can fly and move around.

Hidan wasn't overwhelmed by Kakashi so clearly they are on similar levels of speed.

The kages could tell what was going on while standing and talking and hardly paying attention. The sand tsunami isn't going to blitz Kakuzu or Hidan especially if Gaara still has to get it from the forest ground which would be extremely obvious as soon as the tsunami starts.

Until you prove that the Raikage was intentionally using a piercing, Raikiri-like attack on Gaara's sand, Raiton Gian pierces through Gaara's defense effortlessly. Not to mention that the sheer size and range of Raiton Gian is far larger than that of the Raikage's kick so it nullifies any disadvantage it had in the first place.

5 - That doesn't do anything except repeat shit that I already disproved.

Yeah well it obliterated part of a forest combined with the wind pressure, a similar feat to Gaara's sand tsunami. Again you underestimate the size of Kakuzu's attacks.

Gaara doesn't have intel either so why the hell would he spend time preparing for a massive scale sand attack when for all he knows he wouldn't need it.

 

[genii96]

Kakashi did most of the fighting. Kakuzus jutsu are large enough to be long range plus his heart monsters can fly and move around.

Hidan wasn't overwhelmed by Kakashi so clearly they are on similar levels of speed.

The kages could tell what was going on while standing and talking and hardly paying attention. The sand tsunami isn't going to blitz Kakuzu or Hidan especially if Gaara still has to get it from the forest ground which would be extremely obvious as soon as the tsunami starts.

Until you prove that the Raikage was intentionally using a piercing, Raikiri-like attack on Gaara's sand, Raiton Gian pierces through Gaara's defense effortlessly. Not to mention that the sheer size and range of Raiton Gian is far larger than that of the Raikage's kick so it nullifies any disadvantage it had in the first place.

5 - That doesn't do anything except repeat shit that I already disproved.

Yeah well it obliterated part of a forest combined with the wind pressure, a similar feat to Gaara's sand tsunami. Again you underestimate the size of Kakuzu's attacks.

Gaara doesn't have intel either so why the hell would he spend time preparing for a massive scale sand attack when for all he knows he wouldn't need it.

1)making sand from soil is basically effortless for gaara,and very quick,even if kakuzu and hidan see the wave while it's coming,then what?,it will still take out the entire forest,unless they can run out of the forest before the sand tsunami gets them,which wont still do any good as gaara now has basically tons of sand to attack and defend with. Hidan was the slowest akatsuki with a speed of 3.5,but has good taijutsu,he isnt fast enough to dodge gaara's sand at all.

2) the raikage's raiton shroud had bijuu level chakra concentration around it,he was coming down in v2,he was bloodlusted and he was blocked easily by gaara's sand which also blocked sasuke's enton spike at the same time without them touching each other,it took a raikiri concentrated outward to stop gian,raikage's v2 is far above a raikiri and he didnt faze gaara's sand,gaara blocked susanoo swords without looking,naruto saw the 3rd raikage's defence and still claimed gaara retained the best defence despite what he saw the raikage do

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gaara's sand protected him from a meteor,his shield of shukaku is said to be virtually indestructable by the sources here on nb. His sand shied and armour are said to be the ultimate defence,sand tsunami easily overpowers the technique. Gian was blocked by a raikiri directed outwards,not even in a penetrative position. V2 A>raikiri,susanoo sword>gian,3rd raikage>gian and according to naruto who witnessed the raikage himself,gaara's sand defence>3rd raikage's defence,sand tsunami>gian,shield of shukaku>gian. If you really think gian will effortlessely pierce gaara's sand,then that's fine. And gaara can just block the part of gian infront of him.

3) yea,it obliterated part of a forest,gaara's sand tsunami wiped out an entire forest and a grassland at 13. Whether the kages were talkin or not dosent change the fact that gaara made a sand tsunami in one panel. Gaara always attacks with sand,since his fight with kimimaro which he made a sand tsunami,he has been making more sand for his fights,kakauzu brought out his mask when they crushed one of his hearts.

 

[Megan Terumi]

1) Prove that Gaara can solo a forest. Also prove that Hidan & Kakuzu can't react to it in time. For the record, Gaara has a 3 in speed.

2) Prove that he was using a piercing attack. Repeating the same shit that I've proven wrong won't get you anywhere.

Gaara's sand protected him from a meteor with tons of help from Onoki. Sand shield being stated as the ultimate defense is irrelevant since there's tons of crap that contradict that.

3)

gaara's sand tsunami wiped out an entire forest and a grassland at 13.

Yeah... no

Gaara always attacks with sand,since his fight with kimimaro which he made a sand tsunami,he has been making more sand for his fights

He didn't start the fight with Sand Tsunami.

 

[fourth kazekage]

gaara wins. He casually wiped out a forest in one move,he dd a sand tsuami in one panel easily. He has blocked v2 A,meteors,susanoo swords,exlosions,nukes etc,none of kakuzu's attacks will hurt gaara. Tenten destroyes kakuzu's mask,TENTEN,gaara wont have a problem. Pyramid or being buried handles them. Naruto claimed gaara's defence was the best even after seeing the 3rd raikage. Gaara and shika win mid diff,hidan is beaten in 2secs.

 

[genii96]

1) Prove that Gaara can solo a forest. Also prove that Hidan & Kakuzu can't react to it in time. For the record, Gaara has a 3 in speed.

2) Prove that he was using a piercing attack. Repeating the same shit that I've proven wrong won't get you anywhere.

Gaara's sand protected him from a meteor with tons of help from Onoki. Sand shield being stated as the ultimate defense is irrelevant since there's tons of crap that contradict that.

3)
Yeah... no



He didn't start the fight with Sand Tsunami.

1) gaara already solo'd a forest vs kimi,lee claimes it completely changed the landscape. What does gaara's own speed stats have to do with anything?,is that your idea of a debate?xd,his sand is attacking,not him,and kimi had a speed of 4.5 and taijutsu of 5,and gaara caught him in a sand coffin in like 5 mins when he was 13,hidan has a speed of 3.5 and taijutsu of 4.5 while kakuzu has a 4 in speed and 4 in taijutsu and you think they can dodge current gaara's sand easily?. It dosent matter if they can react to it or not,it will take out the forest,unless they can run out of the forest,they are screwed,and even if they somehow escape,gaara will still have tons of sand everywhere.

2) gian was stopped by raikiri,gaara stopped the v2 attack,whether it was piercing or not is indifferent as v2 is way above raikiri,and kakashi didnt pierce gian,he pushed his raikiri out of his hands to stop gian,you havent proven anything wrong,if you think gian is more powerful than v2 raiton armour with bijuu level concentration,then you are wrong,gaara stopped joki boy's explosions,the raikage,a meteor,susanoo swords without looking,a nuclear bomb, gian dosent even remotely compare to these attacks,it's only feat is being blocked by an outward raikiri. Saying the same shit as gian will break his defence easily just because it took a raikiri to block wont get you anywhere.

They stopped one meteor,the second one crashed into the first and they both went crashing down,gaara walked out without a scratch while shinobi who ran away were killed,madara who was in his susanoo when the meteor hit was obliterated as well. Tell me which tons of shit contradict gaara's defence?. Naruto saw the 3rd raikage's defence and claimed gaara's was better,i think i'll take his word over yours,madara in his susanoo was destroyed by his meteor,gaara walked out of it,susanoo swords couldnt kill gaara while he wasnt looking,gaara blocked sasuke's attack three times like it was nothing,he blocked v2 A and enton spikes at the same time easily and they didnt touch eachother,he used basically a speck of sand to do that,gaara's sand tsunami easily changed landscapes when he was 13. So according to manga fact,sources in nb and character statements,

gaara's defence>3rd raikage

gaara's defence>susanoo(not ps)

gaara's sand>joki boy's explosions

gaara's sand(basically a speck of his gourd sand)>v2 guilleton drop+enton kagusuchi

gaara's sand>amaterasu flames

gaara's defence without looking>a complete susanoo sword

gaara's defence without looking=<5 complete susanoo swords

shield os shukaku=virtually indestructable(from NB here and approved)

sand tsunami=landscape changer at 13.

Gian=raikiri?xd

3)go read the gaara vs kimi fight and tell me if the landscape was still a forest and grassland after the sand tsunami.

Gaara started with a sand tsunami in the war arc to test the kages' response,and that took one panel to do in a rocky area and made them look like dots,and it was gaara's dad who,having dealt with shukaku before reacted quickly and stopped the tech,even the miuzkage commented on the speed of his counter.

 

[Megan Terumi]

1) Lol you're the one who brought up stats not me. Stats aren't the best for comparison. Kakuzu has a lower speed stat than Kakashi yet he was still able to effortlessly intercept a charging Kakashi with Raikiri as well as catch him in his threads. Gaara didn't solo a forest, he got some trees that were near Kimimaro caught in his sand./

2) Kakashi wasn't using Raikiri like A uses lightning armor.

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He had to concentrate his chakra in 2 places to cancel out the lightning chakra from Gian, and it had to be a piercing attack because Gian is a piercing attack (this is stated in the databook). Anyway, neither Shikamaru nor Gaara have lightning chakra and cannot cancel out Gian like Kakashi did.

3)

They stopped one meteor,the second one crashed into the first and they both went crashing down,gaara walked out without a scratch while shinobi who ran away were killed,madara who was in his susanoo when the meteor hit was obliterated as well.

Oh? So I'm guessing that Temari and some unnamed ninja have meteor level durability

Tell me which tons of shit contradict gaara's defence?. Naruto saw the 3rd raikage's defence and claimed gaara's was better,i think i'll take his word over yours,

Naruto also hasn't seen Gaara fight since part 1 and he faps to Gaara either way

madara in his susanoo was destroyed by his meteor,gaara walked out of it,

The meteor was in Madara's range. He was actually expecting to get hit.

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susanoo swords couldnt kill gaara while he wasnt looking,

I already went over this.

gaara blocked sasuke's attack three times like it was nothing,

When?

he blocked v2 A and enton spikes at the same time easily and they didnt touch eachother,he used basically a speck of sand to do that,

Both are inferior to Kakuzu's attacks, also you're exaggerating.

gaara's defence>3rd raikage

Obvious bullshit.

gaara's defence>susanoo(not ps)

Sasuke: "My defense is more absolute than yours."

gaara's sand>joki boy's explosions

Gaara already had a large amount of sand prepped in the area and was warned when Mizukage's clone was about to explode. In fact he had already begun to cover it in sand.

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Kakuzu doesn't use explosive type attacks anyway so...

gaara's sand(basically a speck of his gourd sand)>v2 guilleton drop+enton kagusuchi

gaara's sand>amaterasu flames

gaara's defence without looking>a complete susanoo sword

gaara's defence without looking=<5 complete susanoo swords

All inferior to the scale of kakuzu's damage so what's your point?

shield os shukaku=virtually indestructable(from NB here and approved)

Post the scan that says this. Naruto Wiki doesn't count, I already checked your Shukaku Shield vs Gian thread.

sand tsunami=landscape changer at 13.

Kakuzu changes landscapes too so irrelevant.

Gian=raikiri?

It's actually Gian >= Raikiri but thanks for agreeing.

3)go read the gaara vs kimi fight and tell me if the landscape was still a forest and grassland after the sand tsunami.

Gaara started with a sand tsunami in the war arc to test the kages' response,and that took one panel to do in a rocky area and made them look like dots,and it was gaara's dad who,having dealt with shukaku before reacted quickly and stopped the tech,even the miuzkage commented on the speed of his counter.

There were some trees engulfed by the sand. Kakuzu can do the same with his large scale techniques. Now that you mention it, Kakuzu and Hidan can go on the trees to avoid getting engulfed by the sand. Or Kakuzu can just tank it..

Kakuzu can do virtually the same thing except counter it with wind or fire and wind.

 

[genii96]

1) Lol you're the one who brought up stats not me. Stats aren't the best for comparison. Kakuzu has a lower speed stat than Kakashi yet he was still able to effortlessly intercept a charging Kakashi with Raikiri as well as catch him in his threads. Gaara didn't solo a forest, he got some trees that were near Kimimaro caught in his sand./

2) Kakashi wasn't using Raikiri like A uses lightning armor.

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He had to concentrate his chakra in 2 places to cancel out the lightning chakra from Gian, and it had to be a piercing attack because Gian is a piercing attack (this is stated in the databook). Anyway, neither Shikamaru nor Gaara have lightning chakra and cannot cancel out Gian like Kakashi did.

3)
Oh? So I'm guessing that Temari and some unnamed ninja have meteor level durability

Naruto also hasn't seen Gaara fight since part 1 and he faps to Gaara either way

The meteor was in Madara's range. He was actually expecting to get hit.

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I already went over this.


When?


Both are inferior to Kakuzu's attacks, also you're exaggerating.


Obvious bullshit.


Sasuke: "My defense is more absolute than yours."


Gaara already had a large amount of sand prepped in the area and was warned when Mizukage's clone was about to explode. In fact he had already begun to cover it in sand.

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Kakuzu doesn't use explosive type attacks anyway so...


All inferior to the scale of kakuzu's damage so what's your point?


Post the scan that says this. Naruto Wiki doesn't count, I already checked your Shukaku Shield vs Gian thread.


Kakuzu changes landscapes too so irrelevant.


It's actually Gian >= Raikiri but thanks for agreeing.


There were some trees engulfed by the sand. Kakuzu can do the same with his large scale techniques. Now that you mention it, Kakuzu and Hidan can go on the trees to avoid getting engulfed by the sand. Or Kakuzu can just tank it..

Kakuzu can do virtually the same thing except counter it with wind or fire and wind.

1)kakashi wasnt aiming for him,his focus was hidan and he ambushed him,its not like he stopped a raikiri meant for him .i am pretty sure there were absolutely no trees left standing after the sand wave,and lee said it changed the entire landscape,those trees were forest trees as well./

2) so what if gian is a piercing attack,does that mean only a piercing attack can stop it?,he stopped bone spear,which was harder than tempered steel,and ot was a piercing attack,just because gian is a piercing attack dosent mean it automatically pierces gaara's sand,and gian was aimed at both shika and choji,kakashi used a raikiri in each hand to block he spears meant fot shika and choji,raiton armour is concentrated at every point of the body normally,in v2 the concentration level is very obvious,and v2 raiton shroud>>raikiri,gaara didnt need lightening to block his attack,he dosent need lightening to block gian,it's stated in the same databooks as being able to pierce through rock,gaara's sand is much stronger than steel.

3) temari,naruto's clone and the fodder ninja ran away from the meteor,gaara didnt,not to mention a large number of them still died despite running away from the meteor.

Whether you believe naruto or not,it's still a manga fact,he saw susanoo,third raikage's defence and still claimed gaara's was better,was he lying?,i think not and i'll take his own words. Whether madara wanted to get hi t or not isnt the point,his susanoo still got wiped out while gaara simply walked out. Gaara has shown that an attack with the force of 5 susanoo swords wont kil him if he isnt looking,and has shown at 13 years that a giant drill bone stronger than tempered steel and immense piercing /penetrating power shattered on his defence,i am pretty sure gaara can block gian. The scale of gian dosent matter,as gaara can simply block the part infront of him. Besides,gaara can still counter with a sand tsunami which will easily go through the spears and kakuzuz.

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that was from narutobase here.

4) the sand tsunami knocked down the trees completely,hiding ontop them wont really help,even if kakazu tanks the initial sand wave,he will still be buried under tons of sand,and will be trapped there. Also,gold dust only stopped the wave because gold dust is abt 7 times denser than sand,and fire is basically weighltess,fire also dosent burnt through sand as well,ama couldnt burn through and it's the highest level katon,so kakuzu's versions wont burn through,sand puts out fire,so if a sand tsunami and kakuzu's fier wind combo meet,the sand wave will just go through it and continue it's path.

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Gaara's fighting style will smother Kakuzu, and even put pressure on Hidan at the same time so that Shikamaru can catch him in a corner with Kage Mane.

Given Gaara and Shikamaru's collective intelligence, (If you want to be creative) Shikamaru could use Gaara's airborne sand to conceal his shadow and catch Hidan by surprise, and then without him knowing that he is being posessed, use him to attack Kakuzu from close range, drawing his attention and backing him into a sand coffin. Just my ideas for what theyre worth.

Oh, also in the above scenario, if Kakuzu's hearts are OUSIDE of his body, they can be easily caught by current Gaara's sand control.

 

[Megan Terumi]

1) Doesn't change the fact that he is fast enough to recover after getting hit by Raikiri and run to Kakashi as Kakashi is running with another Raikiri. There were still plenty of trees left in the area behind Lee and Gaara and the ones that were engulfed weren't fully covered in sand.

2) Bone spear doesn't have the same speed and force as Gian or Raikiri. One would assume that if 2 piercing attacks with the same element clashed and canceled out that they are of similar power levels. V2 raiton armor increases the Raikage's speed and reflexes, what does this have to do with raikiri. Furthermore, Chidori still pierced through the Raikage's chest and Sasuke's hand was lodged halfway through him, which impressed him.

Chidori from Sasuke was able to pierce through a giant steel water tank when he was a genin.

3) Temari was right next to Gaara... The fodder was near them as well

Tenten stated Neji's Rotation to be an absolute defense that is better than Gaara's do you agree with her because she said it? Naruto has even less credibility because he had barely seen Susanoo in action nor has he seen Gaara's sand doing anything since part 1, but of course he's gonna hype him up.

If Gaara blocks Gian in front of him (assuming his sand is capable of doing this in the first place) Kakuzu simply goes around it.

That narutobase link means nothing, it's almost exactly like what it says on the wiki. I'm expecting an actual scan or text from the databook that says this. I believe Joki already posted the stuff it says from the databook earlier in the thread.

4) I'm not saying that fire will burn through the sand. The wind by itself is already a highly pressurized attack capable of knocking trees over and obliterating them completely, combined with the fire it's even more deadly. actually here's the databook scan for it, since I'm capable of giving proof.

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