Gaara & Shikamaru VS Hidan & Kakazu

[genii96]

He caught Ginkaku for like a second. Hidan and Kakuzu were handily kicking Asuma's ass with backup from shikamaru and those 2 chuunins. Hidan was almost soloing. There is not much from Shikamaru showing a huge difference in strength since then.

Man there's a lot to counter here, though I would like you to prove all these claims with chapters and pages.

In the meantime, here's a refresher on the scale of Kakuzu's jutsu.

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No, I do not think Gaara wouldn't be able to defend against them but they would work as good distractions and would require Gaara to use a lot of sand.

Oh yeah, @ the scans Joki posted above, do you see the size of those lightning spears?

it dosent matter how long he caught ginkaku,the fact is his shadow was fast enough to catch him,if his shadows came from being easily dodged by hidan to catching a 6tk opponent,then he has improved a lot,which means catching hidan or kakuzu while behind gaara's sand isnt gonna be hard.

Asuma is a closed range fighter,those other two were just chunins,gaara is neither of those,he is a mid-long ranged fighter and a kage,

when gaara was fighting kimi,his shield of shukaku was made from crushing the hardest minerals in the ground,and compacting it with chakra. If he was able to do that at 13,crushing kakuzu's stone skin isnt gonna be hard.

Gaara wont need too much sand to defend against them,he can even let his sand clone use sand to block the attacks,the only time he has used large volumes of sand is to protect large goups of people,his village from c3,his dividion froom joki boy and the meteor,he has only shika to protect,a fairly large sand wall will survice,he can manipylate it to block any of their attacks in any direction,and those distractions wont help much cuz gaara's sand blocks attacks automatically. Those lightening spears are blocked by a sand wall.

Kakauzu dosent even start out with his hearts out,if he gets sand coffined,he is dead. Hidan isnt gonna touch shikamaru,those shadows have gotten much faster and wider,he wont even know what they do,until it hits his shadow,are you telling me he would know to protect his shadow with no intel?

Gaara can use the sand under their feet to attack the hearts if by chance they come out,by that time,it would have been turned into a sand box anyway and they would loose.

 

[secretworker12]

u r just a gaara fan
Kakuzu>Gaara nuff said

 

[genii96]

u r just a gaara fan
Kakuzu>Gaara nuff said

you are just a gaara hater.

Gaara has blocked joki boy's explosions,tanked a meteor,blocked 5 susanoo swords without looking,blocked v2 A easily.
Kakauzu wont faze gaara with any of his masks,not to mentio he dosent even start with his masks out.

Hidan is closed ranged,too bad shikamaru's shadow is long ranged and managed to catch kinkaku in 6tk,catching hidan isnt gonna be hard,gaara can fly and spam sand attacks at kakuzu,use sand clones to attack the hearts.

Gaara>kakuzu

current shikamaru>hidan

also,the poll agrees with mexd.

 

[Joki]

replace kakashi and add 2 tons of sand in a wall there,or rplace shika with a sand clone like he did the mizukage right in front of his nose,or have a sand clone protect shikamaru.e.t.c

War arc shika caught 6 tails ginkaku(or was it kinkakuxd),and held him,he is far stronger than that shika.

>caught 6 tails kinkaku
>kinkaku moved like nothing happened

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[Supernova1238]

Hidan and Kakazu

 

[genii96]

>caught 6 tails kinkaku
>kinkaku moved like nothing happened

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too bad hidan dosent have that power,and i was talking about the speed,he has already caught hidan and held him,as well as kakuzu and held him as well. If his shadow was fast enough to catch kinkaku in 6tk form,then catching hidan wont be difficult for current shikamaru.

 

[lswhyte123]

No, Shikamaru wouldn't do anything because kakuzu is just a bad match for him and can solo him in 2 seconds with Raiton: Gian. If anything,he would slow Gaara down because Gaara would be forced to defend him all the time. Don't believe me? Read the page where Kakuzu uses Raiton: Gian or his Fuuton/Katon combo. Hidan himself could hold off Shikamaru pretty easily since Shikamaru has no knowledge and could do nothing the first time he met Hidan. Why do you think Shikamaru needed so much time to prep a plan against them?

I don't remember Gaara blocking Kusanagi, and he needed Onoki's help to defend against the meteors. He blocked 5 susanoo swords, which proceeded to destroy his defense soon after.

Kakuzu's tanked explosions and getting crushed by a Spiky Human Boulder and tailed beast (Matatabi), I think only a giant scale Sand Burial could affect him.

You are clearly mad.

1: Gaara stopped a huge scale explosion from Joki boy.
2: Gaara helped stop a meteor.
3: Gaara blocks Sasuke's sword of Kusanagi infused with Raiton in Gaara's tale in NUNSG.
4: Gaara easily blocked a Susanoo sword and it took 5 to break his defence and it was a simple sand wall.
5: Shikamaru has the speed to catch both Hidan and Kakazu with his shadows and although he couldn't holda V2 Kinkaku, it would still hold both H & K.
6: Gaara's defence has shown itself to be strong enough to take the blast of C3, a meteor, High level explosion, Yasaka Magatama etc...

you are just a gaara hater.

Gaara has blocked joki boy's explosions,tanked a meteor,blocked 5 susanoo swords without looking,blocked v2 A easily.
Kakauzu wont faze gaara with any of his masks,not to mentio he dosent even start with his masks out.

Hidan is closed ranged,too bad shikamaru's shadow is long ranged and managed to catch kinkaku in 6tk,catching hidan isnt gonna be hard,gaara can fly and spam sand attacks at kakuzu,use sand clones to attack the hearts.

Gaara>kakuzu

current shikamaru>hidan

also,the poll agrees with mexd.

Booyah!!

I do think that Gaara & Shika would have a tough time, but I see them as the victors...arguebly, Gaara may solo.

 

[Joki]

too bad hidan dosent have that power,and i was talking about the speed,he has already caught hidan and held him,as well as kakuzu and held him as well. If his shadow was fast enough to catch kinkaku in 6tk form,then catching hidan wont be difficult for current shikamaru.

Speed? He was standing still for quite some time, deflecting hundreds of kunai with his tail and casually launching a bullet tank from hitting him. That was kind of the point. Yeah...you weren't talking about speed, but even if you were that's fortunate because that event showed 0 display of speed whatsoever due to the previous, and Hidan already effortlessly avoided his shadows on multiple occasions. But he gets one-shot by Gian so it's coo man.

 

[Megan Terumi]

it dosent matter how long he caught ginkaku,the fact is his shadow was fast enough to catch him,if his shadows came from being easily dodged by hidan to catching a 6tk opponent,then he has improved a lot,which means catching hidan or kakuzu while behind gaara's sand isnt gonna be hard.

Asuma is a closed range fighter,those other two were just chunins,gaara is neither of those,he is a mid-long ranged fighter and a kage,

when gaara was fighting kimi,his shield of shukaku was made from crushing the hardest minerals in the ground,and compacting it with chakra. If he was able to do that at 13,crushing kakuzu's stone skin isnt gonna be hard.

Gaara wont need too much sand to defend against them,he can even let his sand clone use sand to block the attacks,the only time he has used large volumes of sand is to protect large goups of people,his village from c3,his dividion froom joki boy and the meteor,he has only shika to protect,a fairly large sand wall will survice,he can manipylate it to block any of their attacks in any direction,and those distractions wont help much cuz gaara's sand blocks attacks automatically. Those lightening spears are blocked by a sand wall.

Kakauzu dosent even start out with his hearts out,if he gets sand coffined,he is dead. Hidan isnt gonna touch shikamaru,those shadows have gotten much faster and wider,he wont even know what they do,until it hits his shadow,are you telling me he would know to protect his shadow with no intel?

Gaara can use the sand under their feet to attack the hearts if by chance they come out,by that time,it would have been turned into a sand box anyway and they would loose.

He caught him right after a meat tank from Choji had his full attention. Shikamaru shadows are not fast enough to catch Hidan, let alone kakuzu. Gaara's basically fighting by himself here. Poor kid. :shrug:

Kakuzus skin isn't just made of some random minerals in the ground, it's harder than that. Mind you Kimimaro was able to tank Gaara's sand burial, and his bones were compared to steel, while Kakuzu's doton skin was compared to diamond in the DB. Here are the panels of Kakuzu tanking getting sliced by a sword and casually tanking a giant Human Boulder which crushed him and made a giant crater. He also soloed a giant iron gate just by hardening his fist.

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Are you telling me Shikamaru can actually do something with no intel?

Gaara's sand is weak to piercing attacks, as I've said before. You haven't proven otherwise. He would have to make an extremely thick sand wall to block a giant spear of lightning that has about as much (if not more, since it obliterated Kakashi's gloves) power as Raikiri, which has more concentrated chakra than Chidori, which pierced a thick-walled Sand Sphere. Never mind the fact that the Lightning mask gives almost no warning and Kakashi barely saved Shikamaru & Choji in time even with Sharingan. While Gaara is focusing on saving Shikamaru (since if Kakuzu used it Shikamaru would inevitably die) he would barely have time to put a shield up, like that one time he saved mei.


Kakuzu & Hidan are easily fast enough to intercept and keep up with Kakashi, like I said Shikamaru's shadows haven't even shown that much improvement. They can react to attacks from below as well, although that would leave them open from above, they're there for each other

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You are clearly mad.

1: Gaara stopped a huge scale explosion from Joki boy.
2: Gaara helped stop a meteor.
3: Gaara blocks Sasuke's sword of Kusanagi infused with Raiton in Gaara's tale in NUNSG.
4: Gaara easily blocked a Susanoo sword and it took 5 to break his defence and it was a simple sand wall.
5: Shikamaru has the speed to catch both Hidan and Kakazu with his shadows and although he couldn't holda V2 Kinkaku, it would still hold both H & K.
6: Gaara's defence has shown itself to be strong enough to take the blast of C3, a meteor, High level explosion, Yasaka Magatama etc...

What would I be mad about?

Though I'd like to ask you to take me seriously, and give me feats that aren't from a video game or with assistance from Onoki.

 

[genii96]

QUOTE=Megan Terumi;8002479]He caught him right after a meat tank from Choji had his full attention. Shikamaru shadows are not fast enough to catch Hidan, let alone kakuzu. Gaara's basically fighting by himself here. Poor kid. :shrug:

Kakuzus skin isn't just made of some random minerals in the ground, it's harder than that. Mind you Kimimaro was able to tank Gaara's sand burial, and his bones were compared to steel, while Kakuzu's doton skin was compared to diamond in the DB. Here are the panels of Kakuzu tanking getting sliced by a sword and casually tanking a giant Human Boulder which crushed him and made a giant crater. He also soloed a giant iron gate just by hardening his fist.

Are you telling me Shikamaru can actually do something with no intel?

Gaara's sand is weak to piercing attacks, as I've said before. You haven't proven otherwise. He would have to make an extremely thick sand wall to block a giant spear of lightning that has about as much (if not more, since it obliterated Kakashi's gloves) power as Raikiri, which has more concentrated chakra than Chidori, which pierced a thick-walled Sand Sphere. Never mind the fact that the Lightning mask gives almost no warning and Kakashi barely saved Shikamaru & Choji in time even with Sharingan. While Gaara is focusing on saving Shikamaru (since if Kakuzu used it Shikamaru would inevitably die) he would barely have time to put a shield up, like that one time he saved mei.

Kakuzu & Hidan are easily fast enough to intercept and keep up with Kakashi, like I said Shikamaru's shadows haven't even shown that much improvement. They can react to attacks from below as well, although that would leave them open from above, they're there for each other.[/QUOTE]

1) Shikamaru's shadows wont let hidan come any closer to shikamaru while he is with gaara,who would catch him in 2 secs if he tried to come closer. Asuma said shikamaru could think out 200 moves in a second,but he had the knack for choosing the right one,gaara was able to catch 3 kages at once,hidan and kakauzu will be dodging shadows from below and sand from all sides.

2) I didnt say random minerals,i said the hardest minerals in the ground and crushed them to make his shield of shukaku at 13,which was harder than diamonds and easily shattered kimi's strongest bone,kimi's bones were compared to steel at his base state,cs2 was much stronger than that,gaara buried him 200m which would turn tempered steel to powder and kimi survives. Why are you comparing a sword,an a human boulder to gaara's sand coffin and burial?,kimi's cs2 bones barely cracked gaara's sand armour.

This is when gaara and onoki decides to attack,no prep,there are rocks and rock pillars everywhere.

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this is when gaara attacks one panel later,with no effort or time at all just to test their response

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they are fighting in a forest,where there is obviously sand,gaara will do much worse than that against these two.

3) shikamaru figure out hidan without intel didnt he?,he is the proxy commander to gaara's division,tobi deemed him a worthy opponent,he is a genius who thinks ten steps ahead his opponent. Yes,he can do things without intel,especially behind a guy that turns forests into his personal playgroundxd

4) Gaara isnt weak to piercing attacks,sasuke ran from a large wall,and hit his sand sphere which was very small,and made a small hole,his hand was stuck even,gaara blocked kimi's bone spear which is much stronger than cs2 sasuke's chidori and broke it. Raikage,who in V1,easily brushed aside a chidori and deflected a chidori katana with his raiton armour,went V2 and was effortlessely stopped by a speck of gaara's sand which also blocked the enton underneath without letting them touch eachother,wnich piercing attack has broken gaara's defence since the CE?,some sand from his gourd easily stopped a susanoo sword,5 failed to breach it and harm him,and he wasnt even looking. Raikiri might be a piercing element,but kakashi used it to nullify gian as they were both raiton,he didnt pierce gian did he?,he used rakiri's power to stop it,not penetrative force,so comparng that to gaara's sand wall,which he can make many in secs,is wrong. Besides,5 susanoo swords>>gian anyday,and gaara stopped them without looking at all. Did you forget that his sand moves auto?he dosent have to worry abt himself,unless kakauzu has an attack with more power than 5 susanoo swords?. What makes you think shika wont be close to gaara anyway?,he could be using his shadow binding while close to gaara,who will block anything they throw at them.

5) hidan and kakuzu wont just be dodging arrows,they'll be dodging sand from above,below their feet and all directions,all of kakuzu's attacks are blocked,being there for eachother wont make much difference with a sand tsunami/burial.

 

[Megan Terumi]

1) Shikamaru's shadows wont let hidan come any closer to shikamaru while he is with gaara,who would catch him in 2 secs if he tried to come closer. Asuma said shikamaru could think out 200 moves in a second,but he had the knack for choosing the right one,gaara was able to catch 3 kages at once,hidan and kakauzu will be dodging shadows from below and sand from all sides.

2) I didnt say random minerals,i said the hardest minerals in the ground and crushed them to make his shield of shukaku at 13,which was harder than diamonds and easily shattered kimi's strongest bone,kimi's bones were compared to steel at his base state,cs2 was much stronger than that,gaara buried him 200m which would turn tempered steel to powder and kimi survives. Why are you comparing a sword,an a human boulder to gaara's sand coffin and burial?,kimi's cs2 bones barely cracked gaara's sand armour.

This is when gaara and onoki decides to attack,no prep,there are rocks and rock pillars everywhere.

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this is when gaara attacks one panel later,with no effort or time at all just to test their response

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they are fighting in a forest,where there is obviously sand,gaara will do much worse than that against these two.

3) shikamaru figure out hidan without intel didnt he?,he is the proxy commander to gaara's division,tobi deemed him a worthy opponent,he is a genius who thinks ten steps ahead his opponent. Yes,he can do things without intel,especially behind a guy that turns forests into his personal playgroundxd

4) Gaara isnt weak to piercing attacks,sasuke ran from a large wall,and hit his sand sphere which was very small,and made a small hole,his hand was stuck even,gaara blocked kimi's bone spear which is much stronger than cs2 sasuke's chidori and broke it. Raikage,who in V1,easily brushed aside a chidori and deflected a chidori katana with his raiton armour,went V2 and was effortlessely stopped by a speck of gaara's sand which also blocked the enton underneath without letting them touch eachother,wnich piercing attack has broken gaara's defence since the CE?,some sand from his gourd easily stopped a susanoo sword,5 failed to breach it and harm him,and he wasnt even looking. Raikiri might be a piercing element,but kakashi used it to nullify gian as they were both raiton,he didnt pierce gian did he?,he used rakiri's power to stop it,not penetrative force,so comparng that to gaara's sand wall,which he can make many in secs,is wrong. Besides,5 susanoo swords>>gian anyday,and gaara stopped them without looking at all. Did you forget that his sand moves auto?he dosent have to worry abt himself,unless kakauzu has an attack with more power than 5 susanoo swords?. What makes you think shika wont be close to gaara anyway?,he could be using his shadow binding while close to gaara,who will block anything they throw at them.

5) hidan and kakuzu wont just be dodging arrows,they'll be dodging sand from above,below their feet and all directions,all of kakuzu's attacks are blocked,being there for eachother wont make much difference with a sand tsunami/burial.

Asuma said Shikamaru could think 200 moves in a second? That's different from acting them out. Shikamaru is simply out of his league here.

Harder than diamonds, can you prove this? He said he collected the strongest minerals in the ground. He wasn't being specific. That doesn't mean he actively crushed diamonds otherwise Kimimaro would have died, unless Kimimaro's body can be compared to diamond.

In that same panel Gaara was in a desert like area and the kages were standing around talking, not doing anything. Meanwhile Gaara's dad still had time to react, put his hands on the ground and replicate that jutsu with his gold.

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Kakuzu & Hidan have time to react and Kakuzu could spam large scale elemental jutsu to counter the sand. Also, in a forest, Gaara would still have to gather extra sand from the ground to perform sand tsunami.

Shikamaru did next to nothing against Hidan when they first fought, let alone Kakuzu. Shikamaru needed Choji's and kakashi's diversions to get Hidan alone for his plan (which he figured out after having days to prepare it) and kakashi was doing most of the work against Kakuzu while Team 10 hid behind trees. In a fight like this he will only be slowing Gaara down.

The speed and power of Chidori caused gaara to bleed, and the shield Gaara made was relatively thick.

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Raikage tanking Chidori has nothing to do with his own piercing power.

The Susanoo swords used slashing damage which was not the same, Madara didn't try to stick the point of the sword into the sand did he?

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Furthermore that did, in fact, destroy Gaara's shield so it doesn't even count in the first place.

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Yeah exactly Kakashi needed the power of Raikiri to stop Gian and even then it burned his gloves off completely. That proved that Gian was at least equal in power to Raikiri since the techniques canceled each other out. Since Raikiri was lightning nature too that helped nullify Gian but Gaara and Shikamaru don't have Raiton. Also, I didn't realize the scale of Gian until now, but here:

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Look at how it makes Kakuzu look tiny in the distance, that jutsu can extend way past Gaara's shield, this is incomparable to any piercing attack he's ever blocked before.

Prove all of Kakuzu's jutsu can be blocked.

 

[Icelerate]

Make this Kakuzu VS Gaara or else the arguments will be all over the place. The fight could go either way but I think Hidan is more useful in this fight than Shikamaru is so I'm leaning towards the immortal duo high difficulty.

 

[Bogard]

Don't know how Kakuzu can't solo this

 

[Prime Rib]

hidan solo

 

[genii96]

Asuma said Shikamaru could think 200 moves in a second? That's different from acting them out. Shikamaru is simply out of his league here.

Harder than diamonds, can you prove this? He said he collected the strongest minerals in the ground. He wasn't being specific. That doesn't mean he actively crushed diamonds otherwise Kimimaro would have died, unless Kimimaro's body can be compared to diamond.

In that same panel Gaara was in a desert like area and the kages were standing around talking, not doing anything. Meanwhile Gaara's dad still had time to react, put his hands on the ground and replicate that jutsu with his gold.
Kakuzu & Hidan have time to react and Kakuzu could spam large scale elemental jutsu to counter the sand. Also, in a forest, Gaara would still have to gather extra sand from the ground to perform sand tsunami.

The speed and power of Chidori caused gaara to bleed, and the shield Gaara made was relatively thick.

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Raikage tanking Chidori has nothing to do with his own piercing power.

The Susanoo swords used slashing damage which was not the same, Madara didn't try to stick the point of the sword into the sand did he?

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Furthermore that did, in fact, destroy Gaara's shield so it doesn't even count in the first place.

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Yeah exactly Kakashi needed the power of Raikiri to stop Gian and even then it burned his gloves off completely. That proved that Gian was at least equal in power to Raikiri since the techniques canceled each other out. Since Raikiri was lightning nature too that helped nullify Gian but Gaara and Shikamaru don't have Raiton. Also, I didn't realize the scale of Gian until now, but here:

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Look at how it makes Kakuzu look tiny in the distance, that jutsu can extend way past Gaara's shield, this is incomparable to any piercing attack he's ever blocked before.

Prove all of Kakuzu's jutsu can be blocked.

1) shikamaru's brain and shadows are far more useful here to gaara than hidan is to kakuzu,cuz his role is to fight the person in cqc then have kakuzu attack both of them,gaara is a long ranged fighter and hidan can't get anywhere near him,he is getting crushed to a pulp if he tries to attack them,which without knowledge he will and being immortal wont help him,they dont even know abt his auto defence anyway. You talk as if shikamaru is going to fight on his own,he will just sit behind gaara and manipulate his shadows as usual and use his brain as well.

2) can you pls tell me the hardest minerals?,cuz i am sure diamonds are among them,and kimi's bones were harder than steel in base,at cs2 he survived bing sunk underground which would turn tempered steel to dust,so yea his bones were as strong as diamonds.

3) gaara wasnt in any desert area,the place was full of rocks and pillars,the ground was obviously a rocky ground,there was no sand anywhere in sight,and gaara made it a sand box in one panel,making sand in a forest will take seconds at most seeing that there is soil everywhere not rock. The 4th kazekage had magnet release,summoning gold dust from the ground was a piece of cake as he could magnetize his body and attract it,and he had been dealing with the shukaku for years,why are you comparing them,do they have gold dust which is heavier than sand which is why the wave stopped?,which elemental jutsu will stop the wave?at 13 it wiped out an entire forest which is where they are now,no fire,raiton,water,wind or earth will stop it.

4) gian was nullifyed by raikiri,raikage v2's chakra is much more concentrated than raikiri,a speck of sand block v2,which means a sand wall will stop gian easily. Sand is an insulator if you didnt know,lightening dosent go through it,which means sand>raiton unlike earth. Gaara at the CE didnt have a high enough level defence to stop an A class tech,but now no lightening can do anything as seen with A and madara.

5) the fact that 5 susanoos couldnt hit gaara despite the fact that gaara wasnt looking is proof that gian wont hit gaara if he was looking a susanoo sword>gian. The sand that blocked those swords wasnt even much to start with.

6) none of kakuzu's attacks will hit gaara,fire dosent burn sand,ama cudnt burn it,so fire-wind combo is useless,water is useless as gaara used gold in his sand which is 20x heavier than water,gian is blocked by a sand wall or just mowed over by sand tsunami which will go on to smash kakuzu and hidan,his earth skin wont help if he's buried 200m or caught in a sand burial,or sealed in a pyramid.shika just stays by gaara and uses shadows.

 

[Joki]

There was more stuff that made me laugh but I picked a few things anyway..also the above post..just yeah.

2) I didnt say random minerals,i said the hardest minerals in the ground and crushed them to make his shield of shukaku at 13,which was harder than diamonds and easily shattered kimi's strongest bone

It doesn't matter what you say, it matters what is actually true. Kakuzu tanked the entire country of Africa smashing into him at lightspeed, too.

Here is the DB entry: "The sand closes in from every direction, its pressure numbering in tons"
Where exactly did you pull this random diamond feat from? Was it something you crap from?

Why are you comparing a sword,an a human boulder to gaara's sand coffin and burial?,kimi's cs2 bones barely cracked gaara's sand armour.

Why are you comparing a genin's steel level bones to a kage level Akatsuki's diamond skin?

Raikiri might be a piercing element,but kakashi used it to nullify gian as they were both raiton,he didnt pierce gian did he?,he used rakiri's power to stop it,not penetrative force,

If it was a stronger raiton, it would have overpowered it, but glad you agree that Gian is Raikiri's power level or stronger and Kakuzu can spam them.

all of kakuzu's attacks are blocked

Yeah, because you've given any form of support at all that shows how Gaara can even hope to tank Kakuzu's high caliber attacks.

 

[Megan Terumi]

1) shikamaru's brain and shadows are far more useful here to gaara than hidan is to kakuzu,cuz his role is to fight the person in cqc then have kakuzu attack both of them,gaara is a long ranged fighter and hidan can't get anywhere near him,he is getting crushed to a pulp if he tries to attack them,which without knowledge he will and being immortal wont help him,they dont even know abt his auto defence anyway. You talk as if shikamaru is going to fight on his own,he will just sit behind gaara and manipulate his shadows as usual and use his brain as well.

2) can you pls tell me the hardest minerals?,cuz i am sure diamonds are among them,and kimi's bones were harder than steel in base,at cs2 he survived bing sunk underground which would turn tempered steel to dust,so yea his bones were as strong as diamonds.

3) gaara wasnt in any desert area,the place was full of rocks and pillars,the ground was obviously a rocky ground,there was no sand anywhere in sight,and gaara made it a sand box in one panel,making sand in a forest will take seconds at most seeing that there is soil everywhere not rock. The 4th kazekage had magnet release,summoning gold dust from the ground was a piece of cake as he could magnetize his body and attract it,and he had been dealing with the shukaku for years,why are you comparing them,do they have gold dust which is heavier than sand which is why the wave stopped?,which elemental jutsu will stop the wave?at 13 it wiped out an entire forest which is where they are now,no fire,raiton,water,wind or earth will stop it.

4) gian was nullifyed by raikiri,raikage v2's chakra is much more concentrated than raikiri,a speck of sand block v2,which means a sand wall will stop gian easily. Sand is an insulator if you didnt know,lightening dosent go through it,which means sand>raiton unlike earth. Gaara at the CE didnt have a high enough level defence to stop an A class tech,but now no lightening can do anything as seen with A and madara.

5) the fact that 5 susanoos couldnt hit gaara despite the fact that gaara wasnt looking is proof that gian wont hit gaara if he was looking a susanoo sword>gian. The sand that blocked those swords wasnt even much to start with.

6) none of kakuzu's attacks will hit gaara,fire dosent burn sand,ama cudnt burn it,so fire-wind combo is useless,water is useless as gaara used gold in his sand which is 20x heavier than water,gian is blocked by a sand wall or just mowed over by sand tsunami which will go on to smash kakuzu and hidan,his earth skin wont help if he's buried 200m or caught in a sand burial,or sealed in a pyramid.shika just stays by gaara and uses shadows.

1) What can Shikamaru do if hes hiding behind Gaara all the time? Plus if Gaara goes long range that will give Kakuzu reason to use his heart monsters which in combination with Hidan can enable them to get up close.

2) Where do you even get this from?

3) Again, where do you get this from? Also, their location seemed to be a dry, arid area where Gaara could easily crush rocks and get sand, never mind the fact that Gaara decided to do this as the Kage were casually standing there and talking.

4) Raikage's raiton armor chakra isn't concentrated and sharpened in one point like raikiri is lol.

5) What is this? Didn't it knock Gaara back? And didn't I just explain why you can't compare Susanoo swords to Gian?

6) You're not taking into account the sheer size of Kakuzu's attacks. I already posted Kakuzu's jutsu earlier in the thread so go look for them.

 

[genii96]

1) What can Shikamaru do if hes hiding behind Gaara all the time? Plus if Gaara goes long range that will give Kakuzu reason to use his heart monsters which in combination with Hidan can enable them to get up close.

2) Where do you even get this from?

3) Again, where do you get this from? Also, their location seemed to be a dry, arid area where Gaara could easily crush rocks and get sand, never mind the fact that Gaara decided to do this as the Kage were casually standing there and talking.

4) Raikage's raiton armor chakra isn't concentrated and sharpened in one point like raikiri is lol.

5) What is this? Didn't it knock Gaara back? And didn't I just explain why you can't compare Susanoo swords to Gian?

6) You're not taking into account the sheer size of Kakuzu's attacks. I already posted Kakuzu's jutsu earlier in the thread so go look for them.

1) oh,gee i dont know,maybe attack them with his shadows?,he could do that protected by gaara while thining out their techs,or does he have to be in the middle of the area to do that?.you talk as if gaara wont also attack them with sand as well,kakuzu dosent start out with his hearts also and hidan will be easily caught if he gets close,hidan is a close tanged fighter,he will be a burden to kakuzu more than shika to gaara,because shika can distract them with his shadows and think out plans while gaara attacks them with sand.

2) gaara collects the hardest minerals for his shield of shkaku,at least some diamonds should be used as well,cuz they are the hardest of them all. However,since he didnt specify if he used it or not,i'll give you this one about diamonds. Keep in mind though that at 13,he used the hardest/strongest minerals and formed it under immense pressure to create the shield of shukaku.currently it should be able to match diamond level.

3) the scans obviously showed rocky pillars,and the fact onoki is using his rock techs so much here proves they are in a rocky area,most of onoki's earth techs has him manipulating rocks,like his rock golem etc. Also the kages were advancing towards them,they stopped only for a short time,before gaara attacked. Also your right, he easily crushed the rocks there,in this location,all there is to crush is soil,as they are in a forest,also gaara attacked immediately with that sand tsunami when onoki suggested that they attack to test their responses. It took seconds to crush rocks into a sand tsunami 3 times bigger than kimimaro's own to the point where his dad thought shukaku was out and at full power,how much time do you think he needs to crush soil?.

4) kakashi didnt sharpen it as usual to block gian,he directed it outwards from his hands,just like raiton armour is directed outwards through his entire body,also i am looking at the level of power here,raiton armour is easily above raikiri and gian,and gaara blocked it easily in v2 with little sand,also since there is no knowledge,kakuzu wont bring out his hearts immediately anyway,cuz he wont know the magnitude of gaara's powers,by the time he does,gaara would have created enough sand,also i dont see gian piercing a multi layered sand wall,or his shield of shukaku,which by the databooks itself say it is virtually indestructable,and hasnt been PENETRATED by any force,also gaara formed it in like 3 panels when he was 13 against kimimaro,he can do it much faster now,also that shield was 3 times bigger than gaara when he was 13,it will be much bigger and even stronger now.

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5) he was pushed back but unhurt by 5 susanoo swords whose attacks were matched by a small sand shield,i am taliking abt the tanking force of his sand,also,isnt sand an insulator?. Gian wont get through his sand for the reasons i just mentioned.

6) gaara's sand tsunami was landscape changing in part 1,gaara just needs to protect himself from the attacks that will hit him,example his fire tech,if gaara and shika stay behind his sand wall,or his ultimate shield he will be fine. Also gaara's sand techs are on another level than against kimi which was a casual forest changing level. The sand tsunami he fired at the kages is much bigger than anything kakuzu can create. Nothing will get thrpugh his shield of shukaku. Kakuzi is either buried or sealed.

 

[jay2512]

Im not sure about this one I'm going to say gaara and shikamaru because they're the good guys lol..

 

[genii96]

There was more stuff that made me laugh but I picked a few things anyway..also the above post..just yeah. It doesn't matter what you say, it matters what is actually true. Kakuzu tanked the entire country of Africa smashing into him at lightspeed, too.

Here is the DB entry: "The sand closes in from every direction, its pressure numbering in tons"
Where exactly did you pull this random diamond feat from? Was it something you crap from?

Why are you comparing a genin's steel level bones to a kage level Akatsuki's diamond skin?
If it was a stronger raiton, it would have overpowered it, but glad you agree that Gian is Raikiri's power level or stronger and Kakuzu can spam them.


Yeah, because you've given any form of support at all that shows how Gaara can even hope to tank Kakuzu's high caliber attacks.

1) i wasnt alking abt sand coffin,i was taling abt shield of shukaku which is made from the strongest minerals under immense pressure,and diamond is among the strongest minerals isnt it?.

2) kimimaro wasnt a genin:flaw:,he was oro's strongest servant,and his bones in base were hasrder than steel,his bones in cs2 survived gaara's desert funeral which sent tremors strong enough to stagger lee,in cs2,he survived being buried 200m underground at which point the pressure would turn tempered steel to dust and came out unharmed,his bones were far stronger than steel.

3) yea,gian is raikiri's power level,and v2 raiton armour is easily above both of them,yet a small stream of sand blocked it,also gaara's shield of shukau is indestructable as said in the databooks itself,and he made it in three panels when he was 13,gian isnt getting through that,or even a double sand wall.

4) his fire tech isnt breaching his sand,or burning through it as sand is naturally immune to fire,a sand wall will block the fire around him easily,his wind tech is an explosion type attack,gaara already blocked bigger explosions than that,gian is blocked by sand walls or SOS.