Gaara & Shikamaru VS Hidan & Kakazu
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gaara and shikamaru. itd be a good fight though. location would be a huge factor too...if its in a desert they pretty much have no chance against gaara and if its in the woods shikamaru is an absolute strategic genius.
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No knowledge means Hidan can get Shikamaru with his jutsu quite easily in the same way to how he did with Asuma
Kakuzu is undoubtedly stronger than Gaara (he's the 4th strongest in Akatsuki after Kisame) and would overwhelm him with Earth Grudge Fear and Elemental Volleys
Kakuzu is undoubtedly stronger than Gaara (he's the 4th strongest in Akatsuki after Kisame) and would overwhelm him with Earth Grudge Fear and Elemental Volleys
Megan Terumi
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Shikamaru is dead weight since the only time he did shit to Hidan was when he had knowledge of the ritual jutsu along with days to plan and prepare.
I'm sure Kakuzu can take Gaara with Hidan's help. Especially considering that Raiton: Gian took 2 raikiri to cancel out and Gaara is susceptible to piercing moves. Also, he can probably tank sand burial with Doton Skin.
I'm sure Kakuzu can take Gaara with Hidan's help. Especially considering that Raiton: Gian took 2 raikiri to cancel out and Gaara is susceptible to piercing moves. Also, he can probably tank sand burial with Doton Skin.
4th strongest after Kisame?
So your list is
1. Tobi
2. Nagato
3. Not itachi
4. Not itachi
LOL I'd argue even sasori is above the two of them...............
As for the fight yeh team 2 wins Hidan is stronger than shika without info and kakuzu is indeed stronger than Gaara.
Without info,hidan will charge at them,they dont know abt shika's shadow possesion jutsu,hidan is oneshotted,you people say shika is dead weight,how long did it take him to figure out his tech?,wasent he the reason they beheaded hidan?. And i am pretty sure gaara is a better backup than asuma. Even when hidan knew abt his jutsu,shika still caught him again,hidan can't touch shika with his shadows everywhere.a sand clone can also help out.
Grudge fear solidifies his body to metal like qualities,gaara crushes the hardest minerals to make sand,it's not gonna be hard to crush. I don't think his immortality covers being reduced to a pulp does it?
As i recall,gaara's sand blocks fire easily,his lightening tech isnt gonna break through a multi layered sand wall,it's not a piercing attack anyway,just a wide spread one,his wind techs wont get through his sand,sand clones for each heart will hold them off long enough for a flying gaara to bury hidan or crush him or drop a pyramid on him.
Both gaara and shikamaru are very intelligent and analytical on the battlefield. Once gaara goes into his sand sphere,almost all their attacks are blocked.
Shikamaru isnt dead weight at all.
Grudge fear solidifies his body to metal like qualities,gaara crushes the hardest minerals to make sand,it's not gonna be hard to crush. I don't think his immortality covers being reduced to a pulp does it?
As i recall,gaara's sand blocks fire easily,his lightening tech isnt gonna break through a multi layered sand wall,it's not a piercing attack anyway,just a wide spread one,his wind techs wont get through his sand,sand clones for each heart will hold them off long enough for a flying gaara to bury hidan or crush him or drop a pyramid on him.
Both gaara and shikamaru are very intelligent and analytical on the battlefield. Once gaara goes into his sand sphere,almost all their attacks are blocked.
Shikamaru isnt dead weight at all.
MinatoFLASH
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Gaara and Shika low diff
Shika can hide with Gaara under walls of sand or ride with him on air. Gaara's sand is too fast. He crushes Hidan into 1000s of pieces with one attack. Gaara's power and Shikamaru's brain along with Gaara's strategic style will cursh Kakuzu. Idk how Kakuzu will avoid thousands of tons of sand rushing at him fast anyways Gaara can also turn the location into a desert easily.
Shika can hide with Gaara under walls of sand or ride with him on air. Gaara's sand is too fast. He crushes Hidan into 1000s of pieces with one attack. Gaara's power and Shikamaru's brain along with Gaara's strategic style will cursh Kakuzu. Idk how Kakuzu will avoid thousands of tons of sand rushing at him fast anyways Gaara can also turn the location into a desert easily.
lswhyte123
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1: Gaara's defensive skills means that Hidans attacks will largely be useless as Gaara has always shown himself to defend others from attacks. Even if Gaara got hit by Hidan, it wouldn't draw blood as Gaara wears sand armour. Gaara also would not let Shikamaru go in first and would likely test the waters first.
2: Kakazu is stronger than Gaara? Dunno where you got that info, I agree that he is one powerful enemy and may be stronger than Gaara but it is open to debate. Gaara has done many things lately which should have him rated as stronger than many of the Akatsuki.
Gaara would be the main player here and Shikamaru would provide essential support and tactical planning. Gaara is perfectly capable of deducing his opponents skills and coming up with a plan alone, but the two of them working together would be an epic combo. Shika is never dead weight, if so, why would they put him in charge of a division 4 alongside Gaara as his proxy?
Gaara was susceptible to piercing moves, since then we've seen him block many Susanoo techniques and a meteor and Sasuke's sword of kusanagi infused with Raiton.
Using arguments like Kakazu can probably tank sand coffin is daft, you have no idea if he could and I seriously doubt he could tank it. Sand coffin would likely be the best technique against Kakazu as it has the potential to crush all the hearts at once.
replace kakashi and add 2 tons of sand in a wall there,or rplace shika with a sand clone like he did the mizukage right in front of his nose,or have a sand clone protect shikamaru.e.t.c
War arc shika caught 6 tails ginkaku(or was it kinkakuxd),and held him,he is far stronger than that shika.
VisionOfDisorder
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Gaara and Shikamaru got it. I'd love to see thoes two work together.
side note: does anyone else get the feeling that Hidan and Kakuzu's clashing personalities hold each other back more than they support each other? Kakuzu does stop Hidan from pulling anything TOO retarded, but Hidan is the passionate type and may have been more impressive successful if left to his own devices the whole time (kind of like Naruto, he could have shaped up to be surprising for a dumbass lol)
side note: does anyone else get the feeling that Hidan and Kakuzu's clashing personalities hold each other back more than they support each other? Kakuzu does stop Hidan from pulling anything TOO retarded, but Hidan is the passionate type and may have been more impressive successful if left to his own devices the whole time (kind of like Naruto, he could have shaped up to be surprising for a dumbass lol)
Megan Terumi
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No, Shikamaru wouldn't do anything because kakuzu is just a bad match for him and can solo him in 2 seconds with Raiton: Gian. If anything,he would slow Gaara down because Gaara would be forced to defend him all the time. Don't believe me? Read the page where Kakuzu uses Raiton: Gian or his Fuuton/Katon combo. Hidan himself could hold off Shikamaru pretty easily since Shikamaru has no knowledge and could do nothing the first time he met Hidan. Why do you think Shikamaru needed so much time to prep a plan against them?
I don't remember Gaara blocking Kusanagi, and he needed Onoki's help to defend against the meteors. He blocked 5 susanoo swords, which proceeded to destroy his defense soon after.
Kakuzu's tanked explosions and getting crushed by a Spiky Human Boulder and tailed beast (Matatabi), I think only a giant scale Sand Burial could affect him.
last time i checked having no knowledge is for both sides,not just akatsuki duo,this is current shika who caught the 6tk ginkaku with his shadow,not that same one that fought hidan.
Hidan will get caught by shika's shadow,gaara's sand clone could even solo hidanxd seeing as it has no blood and that it warps around it's opponent with ease.
Raiton gyan is stopped by sand wall,5 susanoo swords couldnt break through gaara's weakest level defence,he wasnt looking,didnt add chakra,didnt add sand,and the sand that blocked their attack wasnt even very much,gaara and onoki stopped one meteor,the second crashed down into the firdt and they both crashed right in the location of gaara who came out without a scratch while madara whose susanoo was up,was obliterated,nothing kakuzu has will breach it,this is IC kakuzu,meaning he will start without his hearts,his earth skin will be crushed easily by sand burial,choji's human boulder pressure power isnt near the power of sand burial which can break through metal and crushes the hardest minerals easily,shikamaru's shadow will make sure he is on the ropes.
Fire is naturally useless against sand,combining it with wind will do nothing at all if ama couldnt burn through it. Sand clones will handle those masks while he deals with kakuzu. He turned a forest into a sand box in 2 minutes at 13,it will take him seconds now. Sand hail will capture kakuzu,and gaara can bury him easily.
Megan Terumi
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He caught Ginkaku for like a second. Hidan and Kakuzu were handily kicking Asuma's ass with backup from shikamaru and those 2 chuunins. Hidan was almost soloing. There is not much from Shikamaru showing a huge difference in strength since then.
Man there's a lot to counter here, though I would like you to prove all these claims with chapters and pages.
In the meantime, here's a refresher on the scale of Kakuzu's jutsu.
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No, I do not think Gaara wouldn't be able to defend against them but they would work as good distractions and would require Gaara to use a lot of sand.
Oh yeah, @ the scans Joki posted above, do you see the size of those lightning spears?
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Uchihagodzzz
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You forget, Shikamaru isn't close range so he'd be behind Gaara..Asuma charged and got cut.