Gaara & Lee vs Kimimaro & Orochimaru

[lswhyte123]

Gaara fans need to calm down.
He is strong but lets not allow him to bite what he cannot chew

You think Gaara wouldn't be a decent opponent for Orochimaru?

He made it to Kage level, which counts for something.
He's also stronger now than the Biju he used to carry.
He's beaten 2 Kage's and sealed half of another one.
He's currently fighting with Madara.
He is the Joint Shinobi army Commander General and leader of Division 4.
He has helped successfully stop a meteor.

I think Gaara needs to be given a little more credit. Don't you?

 

[blazekev90]

You think Gaara wouldn't be a decent opponent for Orochimaru?

He made it to Kage level, which counts for something.
He's also stronger now than the Biju he used to carry.
He's beaten 2 Kage's and sealed half of another one.
He's currently fighting with Madara.
He is the Joint Shinobi army Commander General and leader of Division 4.
He has helped successfully stop a meteor.

I think Gaara needs to be given a little more credit. Don't you?

Garra is a decent opponent IMO, and he's actually my second fave following Lee. However idk if his sand would be strong enough to defeat Manda and 8 branch technique, at least not with ease. Also, Oro summons 2nd Hokage, its all over for Garra for the most part. Garra'a defenses are great, but offensively, not so much and i cant think of a jutsu he has to kill Oro. Lee jumping in would be kind of a good distraction, but I see Oro looking dwn upon him and pwning him (hate to say it tho) lol.

 

[Blaze Release]

You think Gaara wouldn't be a decent opponent for Orochimaru?

He made it to Kage level, which counts for something.
He's also stronger now than the Biju he used to carry.
He's beaten 2 Kage's and sealed half of another one.
He's currently fighting with Madara.
He is the Joint Shinobi army Commander General and leader of Division 4.
He has helped successfully stop a meteor.

I think Gaara needs to be given a little more credit. Don't you?

Dont let me bring you back down to earth, trust me you wouldnt like it U_U

 

[lswhyte123]

Garra is a decent opponent IMO, and he's actually my second fave following Lee. However idk if his sand would be strong enough to defeat Manda and 8 branch technique, at least not with ease. Also, Oro summons 2nd Hokage, its all over for Garra for the most part. Garra'a defenses are great, but offensively, not so much and i cant think of a jutsu he has to kill Oro. Lee jumping in would be kind of a good distraction, but I see Oro looking dwn upon him and pwning him (hate to say it tho) lol.

This is pretty much the 1st good post since this thread started. +rep

1: Gaara's sand was strong enough to withstand A's fully charged Guillotine Drop & Amaterasu & very large scale explosions.
2: Gaara's sand was strong enough to force Kimimaro to use his full curse mark conversion state, and that was 2 years+ ago. His crushing power is intense.
3: The Manda & 8 Branch techniques could theoretically be held down by Gaara's sand and dragged underground. Manda cannot escape into the air and is totally ground based, perfect for Gaara's sand.
4: Gaara has improved dramatically since then so it's reasonable to assume that he's now able to take Kimimaro.
5: Lee fought Kimimaro after his surgery and was still recovering. Gaara even remarked that Lee was weaker than when they fought.
6: Lee has been up against some very strong shinobi in the war and has lived. Although we didn't see any of the fights so we can't say much there.

In the Narutoverse, there don't tend to be huge differences between most character strength levels but rather a case of being the right guy to fight another guy.

I personally think that both teams have rather equal chances of victory & was expecting more diverse responces instead of 100% one way answers.

 

[lswhyte123]

Dont let me bring you back down to earth, trust me you wouldnt like it U_U

Bring it on. You haven't actually backed anything you've said up in a while. Don't think you've got much here though. Lol

 

[Blaze Release]

Bring it on. You haven't actually backed anything you've said up in a while. Don't think you've got much here though. Lol

When certain vs threads are clear as day, an in-depth analysis isnt needed.
A sentence is enough

You think Gaara wouldn't be a decent opponent for Orochimaru?

He made it to Kage level, which counts for something.
He's also stronger now than the Biju he used to carry.
He's beaten 2 Kage's and sealed half of another one.
He's currently fighting with Madara.
He is the Joint Shinobi army Commander General and leader of Division 4.
He has helped successfully stop a meteor.

I think Gaara needs to be given a little more credit. Don't you?

Think its time to pluck you from the air and back down to earth.
1. Gaara might be a kage but thats because the sand is the weakest village. Put him in another village and he would jonin.
2. He hasnt beaten two kages, on the surface maybe but if you look at it from a neutral point of view and in depth he hasnt beaten any kage level ninja.
3. He might be fighting madara, but you make it sound as if its by himself
4. So what?, he is one of the strongest allied ninja
5. He did little to help stop the meteor. That feat belongs to Oonoki

 

[KazekageDaichi]

He seals them using the sealing tags so without the tags he can't seal anything. I thought this was obvious.

Of course it's obvious... Without tags he can't seal,with them he can,and he has them...lol?

 

[Ambriel]

When certain vs threads are clear as day, an in-depth analysis isnt needed.
A sentence is enough


Think its time to pluck you from the air and back down to earth.
1. Gaara might be a kage but thats because the sand is the weakest village. Put him in another village and he would jonin.
2. He hasnt beaten two kages, on the surface maybe but if you look at it from a neutral point of view and in depth he hasnt beaten any kage level ninja.
3. He might be fighting madara, but you make it sound as if its by himself
4. So what?, he is one of the strongest allied ninja
5. He did little to help stop the meteor. That feat belongs to Oonoki

I agree blaze, good job at ownin gaara's lover

 

[lswhyte123]

When certain vs threads are clear as day, an in-depth analysis isnt needed.
A sentence is enough


Think its time to pluck you from the air and back down to earth.
1. Gaara might be a kage but thats because the sand is the weakest village. Put him in another village and he would jonin.
2. He hasnt beaten two kages, on the surface maybe but if you look at it from a neutral point of view and in depth he hasnt beaten any kage level ninja.
3. He might be fighting madara, but you make it sound as if its by himself
4. So what?, he is one of the strongest allied ninja
5. He did little to help stop the meteor. That feat belongs to Oonoki

Really...?
That's your come-backs?....dude lame.

1: Kage is Kage and he has so far outshone all the others...2nd Mizukage said so himself. Also, he's been saving just about everyone so far, Division 4, Oonoki and various other ninja on the field.
2: hehe, what? He beat the 4th kazekage by himself. Not much of a fight but whatever. He beat the 2nd Mizukage while defending Oonoki and Division 4.
3: Didn't mean to do that. He's fighting Madara along with the other Kage.
4: Yeah, he is. One of the strongest & smartest. Also has the most spirit of all the Kage. Hence why Oonoki has changed his ways.
5: xd I admit that Oonoki made it lighter but it was still falling.

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Look carefully at the volume of sand and how it makes a stand for the meteor to land on and stop it before impact. Oonoki made it lighter, Gaara caught it.

You did not bring me "back to earth" you barely touched the subject. You are under rating Gaara & Lee. Although I do think that Orochimaru would have a great chance of victory here, I also see the chance that Gaara & Lee have. Dude, be less one-sided.

Also, does anyone have anything to say about Lee? It's like he's not even there...

 

[Blaze Release]

I agree blaze, good job at ownin gaara's lover

Thats not the aim. When people make a character sound a bit too good, i try to pull them back to earth, thats all. Minato fans included xd

Really...?
That's your come-backs?....dude lame.

1: Kage is Kage and he has so far outshone all the others...2nd Mizukage said so himself. Also, he's been saving just about everyone so far, Division 4, Oonoki and various other ninja on the field.
2: hehe, what? He beat the 4th kazekage by himself. Not much of a fight but whatever. He beat the 2nd Mizukage while defending Oonoki and Division 4.
3: Didn't mean to do that. He's fighting Madara along with the other Kage.
4: Yeah, he is. One of the strongest & smartest. Also has the most spirit of all the Kage. Hence why Oonoki has changed his ways.
5: xd I admit that Oonoki made it lighter but it was still falling.

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Look carefully at the volume of sand and how it makes a stand for the meteor to land on and stop it before impact. Oonoki made it lighter, Gaara caught it.

You did not bring me "back to earth" you barely touched the subject. You are under rating Gaara & Lee. Although I do think that Orochimaru would have a great chance of victory here, I also see the chance that Gaara & Lee have. Dude, be less one-sided.

Also, does anyone have anything to say about Lee? It's like he's not even there...

Come back?. I was merely listing what i think its true. Im not in a confrontation with you U_U. Fact is if gaara was in anothe village he wouldnt be kage. Thats something you have to understand.

He 'defeated' 2 kages, but those fights in itself wasnt really a fight.
The fight with the 4th kazekage was an emotional bs. Nothing really happened. The fight with 2nd mizukage, if we take out plot no jutsu and pitted gaara vs him from the start, gaara would lose. He did help with the Meteors but Oonoki did majority of the work

 

[blazekev90]

This is pretty much the 1st good post since this thread started. +rep

1: Gaara's sand was strong enough to withstand A's fully charged Guillotine Drop & Amaterasu & very large scale explosions.
2: Gaara's sand was strong enough to force Kimimaro to use his full curse mark conversion state, and that was 2 years+ ago. His crushing power is intense.
3: The Manda & 8 Branch techniques could theoretically be held down by Gaara's sand and dragged underground. Manda cannot escape into the air and is totally ground based, perfect for Gaara's sand.
4: Gaara has improved dramatically since then so it's reasonable to assume that he's now able to take Kimimaro.
5: Lee fought Kimimaro after his surgery and was still recovering. Gaara even remarked that Lee was weaker than when they fought.
6: Lee has been up against some very strong shinobi in the war and has lived. Although we didn't see any of the fights so we can't say much there.

In the Narutoverse, there don't tend to be huge differences between most character strength levels but rather a case of being the right guy to fight another guy.

I personally think that both teams have rather equal chances of victory & was expecting more diverse responces instead of 100% one way answers.

1) I already said he's good for defense, but it won’t meaning anything against the 2nd Hokage and his water techniques.
2) Actually, Kim was sitting under the sand in some kind of confused state (idk wft he was doing). He used curse mark to break thru the sand, the force wasn’t overwhelming that it crushed him and he needed to resort to it (if I remember correctly). Also, this state allowed him to use better offensive attacks in that situation.
3) Garra's sand has been broken out of, I don’t remember anyone really struggling with that, and 8 branch was huge and powerful (thus being Oro's strongest attack) Garra would need to use a shyt load of sand (chakra to handle it)

Yea they both improved, that’s a known fact and would beat Kimmaro together but not Oro and Kim. Kim could still have beat Lee, possibly and Oro....well he would just focus on Garra and win with mid-difficulty.

 

[blazekev90]

You think Gaara wouldn't be a decent opponent for Orochimaru?

He made it to Kage level, which counts for something.
He's also stronger now than the Biju he used to carry.
He's beaten 2 Kage's and sealed half of another one.
He's currently fighting with Madara.
He is the Joint Shinobi army Commander General and leader of Division 4.
He has helped successfully stop a meteor.

I think Gaara needs to be given a little more credit. Don't you?

-Oro was considered Hokage over the sannin and minato (if he wasnt crazy), that means a lot more than Garra getting the title from a villiage of nobodies lol
-i agree
-Oro beat too kages as well
- that rest he had assistance.


iight I'm done, i dont like feeling like I'm bashing Garra lol

 

[lswhyte123]

1) I already said he's good for defense, but it won’t meaning anything against the 2nd Hokage and his water techniques.
2) Actually, Kim was sitting under the sand in some kind of confused state (idk wft he was doing). He used curse mark to break thru the sand, the force wasn’t overwhelming that it crushed him and he needed to resort to it (if I remember correctly). Also, this state allowed him to use better offensive attacks in that situation.
3) Garra's sand has been broken out of, I don’t remember anyone really struggling with that, and 8 branch was huge and powerful (thus being Oro's strongest attack) Garra would need to use a shyt load of sand (chakra to handle it)

Yea they both improved, that’s a known fact and would beat Kimmaro together but not Oro and Kim. Kim could still have beat Lee, possibly and Oro....well he would just focus on Garra and win with mid-difficulty.

To answer the statement that Gaara's sand wasn't able to crush Kimimaro, I'll use.....EVIDENCE!! xd

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Enjoy

Also, his Sand held down Susanoo...jus sayin

 

[Sai Bomb]

You must be shrooming...

 

[warlee]

Tobirama water release can make gaara's sand useless. Oro alone w/ his edo will win

 

[Shinozgr8]

uhhhm i'm not gonna read all the posts (forgive me U_U) but i'm jus gonna say oro and kimimaro takes this. Oro and kimimaru already (and imo EASILY) overcame the 4th hokage...that says something lol if oro tanked tsunade's punching while being SICK. but uhh...gaara's team won't have a chance

 

[lswhyte123]

Blaze: I think that Gaara would be a likely Candidate for Kage no matter which village you put him in. He has all the correct qualities.

 

[siyo]

Full health & Prime. I didn't say that he'd have Edo's though. That takes preparation & time. He's still strong without them.

Also, I don't know why you thought he'd have Muu or Nagato. Orochimaru only ever used the 1st & 2nd Hokage.
If it were just part of his arsenol, he'd have used some of his other Edo's against Jiraiya & Tsunade or perhaps in other fights.

Kabuto seems pretty busy using the Edo atm and even when Orochimaru used them, it pretty much meant he was no longer in the fight as he had to fully control them.

Almost every jutsu needs prep time. As i said earlier, common sense dictates that Orochimaro has a bunch of edo's prepared.It's part of his arsenal as long as you don't restrict it which you haven't,yet. The reason I brought the zombies up is the fact that this match took place in the war arc( everything kabuto owns is oro's too)

Why didn't Orochimaru use edo tensei against jiraiya and tsunade? Could it be that orochimaru was severely injured in his fight against the strongest kage ever ? Could it be that he had no arms and even had trouble with summoning Manda(who would have eaten him had he known the truth)? The only time we saw a healthy Oro was against Hiruzen, who was one of the two kages he defeated.The other one was Gaara's dad who possesses sand heavier that gaara's.

We could go strictly by what we have seen only, which means Oro can only summon the two first hokages (which also means lee can only up to 5 gates).He can actually move freely since it s the tags that control the zombies, not oro himself.Tobirama can create water out of air which would make Gaara's sand useless, and Hashirama can use bringer of darkness on Gaara which would give oro the opening to use Kusanagi.It would pierce through Gaara's defense (harder than diamond itself).Wood would also help restrict the opponents movements...

kimmimaro is stronger than lee.We have not seen anything indicating that lee is now stronger than the guy who, pretty much, defeated gaara and lee together.


One more thing: Gaara is underestimated, and he can beat anyone on any given sunday (especially in the desert) but he was given the title kazekage solely because they were afraid of him.

 

[lswhyte123]

Almost every jutsu needs prep time. As i said earlier, common sense dictates that Orochimaro has a bunch of edo's prepared.It's part of his arsenal as long as you don't restrict it which you haven't,yet. The reason I brought the zombies up is the fact that this match took place in the war arc( everything kabuto owns is oro's too)

Why didn't Orochimaru use edo tensei against jiraiya and tsunade? Could it be that orochimaru was severely injured in his fight against the strongest kage ever ? Could it be that he had no arms and even had trouble with summoning Manda(who would have eaten him had he known the truth)? The only time we saw a healthy Oro was against Hiruzen, who was one of the two kages he defeated.The other one was Gaara's dad who possesses sand heavier that gaara's.

We could go strictly by what we have seen only, which means Oro can only summon the two first hokages (which also means lee can only up to 5 gates).He can actually move freely since it s the tags that control the zombies, not oro himself.Tobirama can create water out of air which would make Gaara's sand useless, and Hashirama can use bringer of darkness on Gaara which would give oro the opening to use Kusanagi.It would pierce through Gaara's defense (harder than diamond itself).Wood would also help restrict the opponents movements...

kimmimaro is stronger than lee.We have not seen anything indicating that lee is now stronger than the guy who, pretty much, defeated gaara and lee together.


One more thing: Gaara is underestimated, and he can beat anyone on any given sunday (especially in the desert) but he was given the title kazekage solely because they were afraid of him.

1: You are spot on about Oro vs Jiraiya & Tsunade.
2: Gaara was elected as Kazekage for many reasons, one of which was the fact they were concerned about Shukaku, not only becaue of this.

 

[Finn]

in a desert-garaa solos

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